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#241 Tesfurdo

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:23 PM

View PostMostlyHarmless, on 10 September 2014 - 02:09 PM, said:

This really is like a reunion, so many names I remember from the closed beta days. Back when Paul would drop with us regularly and show us the unreleased mechs ahead of time, or when Garth would hang out and be a sociable community manager instilling goodwill with all the groups.

Niko please do the right thing, it would be a shame to lose the good will that was just gained through the townhall over all of this.


Strangely, I recognise your name and quite a few on here and was thinking the same.Pretty sure we never spoken but i know i've been on the same battlefield as you. It was a good fight.

#242 Lonestar1771

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:24 PM

View PostKiyoshi Mizumura, on 10 September 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:


We're going to have to annex some land to have enough room.

I wonder how much it costs to rent Eurasia?


No need to rent when people are giving away land

http://news.discover...atch-140721.htm

#243 Bolow

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:26 PM

View PostLonestar1771, on 10 September 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:


No need to rent when people are giving away land

http://news.discover...atch-140721.htm


So that's where Niko comes from...

#244 mashed

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:26 PM

Yes I'm sure it was all those horrible goons fault and you didn't do anything to bring this on yourself at all.

#245 redlance

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:27 PM

you wanted all the old players to come back, who would of guessed setting your own asses on fire was the thing to do it. i feel like we're all just here hoping this company will burn and die so we can finally try and rebuild. sigh..maybe someday.

#246 Acid Phase

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:28 PM

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New Direction. Niko needs to understand the repercussions to shining the wrong light on PGI.

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:28 PM

http://partedveil.com/MWO/
This is a beta draft of an interactive timeline Chronojam has been working on for fun, as a way to organize interviews, patchnotes, and help note the history of the Word of Lowtax during the good days and the bad days. Obviously this is an incomplete, static version and is missing a lot of the more recent months -- it covers none of the current Transverse events that are being added to the WIP timeline.

Since so many founders are coming out to share their MWO hopes, dreams, and actual experiences, it seemed like as good a time as any to share a trip down memory lane together.
http://partedveil.com/MWO/

Edited by Banned, 10 September 2014 - 02:30 PM.


#248 ArchAngelWC

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:28 PM

ahaha and here I thought I would never like Reddit...
I hope CIG sue you...
and You bring Shame to my city of Vancouver...and to Battletech with this shovelware you call MWO

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:28 PM

View PostVerusZetec, on 10 September 2014 - 01:51 PM, said:


Really, this is all the Founders tag means now. It's now a badge of shame. A reminder of a time we trusted PGI.


This reminds me of a similar instance of this happening surrounding a game and a company in my past, so I felt the need to share it. Maybe an example that everybody remembers that isn't PGI-related, and from the lense of somebody who isn't a (rightfully) bitter founder will give them a lense to see what they're doing wrong.

I like Battletech. I like Battletech, I don't quite love it, I don't have a passion for it like some people here do. Know what I did love? Mass Effect, developed by Bioware. I loved the universe, absolutely loved the first game that created a fantastic world that I couldn't get enough of. Then, Mass Effect 2 came, and along with it, changes. Comparing the two, you can see what they were. Primarily, the series tried starting appealing to a different audience, and I don't hold that against the developer at all for a few reasons, but it was still, despite being a good game, a bit of a disappointment. I still absolutely loved the franchise though, and at one point, I held the record for the most recorded playthroughs, and when Mass Effect 3 came out, I was working on a Mass Effect cosplay, trying to create a full, accurate costume with an accompanying replica weapon.

I invested a lot of money and myself into the IP, and then Mass Effect 3 came. Anybody who was on the internet during March of 2012 caught wind of that. Terrible ending that pissed off literally 98% of players, as recorded by a poll on Bioware's own forums. While I wasn't exactly one of the "Take Mass Effect Back!" people, I was quite upset by the whole thing. That isn't the straw that broke the camels back, though. It sucked, but I still loved the IP, I wanted nothing but the best for it. It was inevitable that people in the fanbase would be disappointed, because there's no way it could've made everybody happy, and I didn't really hold the fact that I didn't get my ideal version of Mass Effect 2 and 3 against the developer, Bioware.

The the PR disasters followed shortly. In the following weeks, I, along thousands of others, was designated by Bioware's PR as a troll, as somebody who didn't really care about the franchise or its success, who secretly wanted to see it fail. I was labeled as having an unhealthy mind because, hey, I was genuinely disappointed and upset with the ending. They continued to act if there wasn't proof on their own forums that literally 98% of players hated the ending, that they weren't upset or disappointed. There were bans all over and sock puppet accounts from developers trying to shut down criticism and editorialists saying that everybody who was upset was an entitled crybaby. It just left a taste so bitter in my mouth that I haven't touched anything Bioware or Mass Effect related since then. Nothing, nada. I haven't given them a cent, I haven't gone back and played any of my games, or taken part in any of my discussion. Eventually, I threw out the cosplay that I was making because it just felt like a gut punch every time I saw it in the corner of the room.

It wasn't disappointment that drove me away and leaves me still bitter over two years later - its PR acting like there's no problem, like I was out of my mind for being unhappy with the ending, for being "ungrateful" and "entitled". It was not broken promises, not disappointment, not toxicity in the community, but the developers just being jerks about the whole thing that killed the franchise for me. I imagine thats a lot of what is at play here, alongside a significantly larger monetary investment on the part of the Founders.

You want to make things right? Just for a moment, forget about the broken promises, forget about delayed features, forget about the game's stagnation. Look at how you're interacting with the community, and fix that, because all that goodwill that you just earned with that Town Hall Meeting dissipated in less than an entire day. I don't have nearly as much investment in MWO as all the Founders do, but this is how I understand it - these people love Battletech like I loved Mass Effect, and it doesn't bode well for you that you're following in the footsteps of Bioware in regards to relations with the community.

Edited by MarsAtlas, 10 September 2014 - 02:33 PM.


#250 decman117

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:29 PM

View PostAcid Phase, on 10 September 2014 - 02:28 PM, said:


New Direction. Niko needs to understand the repercussions to shining the wrong light on PGI.


Well at least he admitted they were wrong. It's a start.

#251 Garandos

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:29 PM

View PostAcid Phase, on 10 September 2014 - 02:28 PM, said:

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New Direction. Niko needs to understand the repercussions to shining the wrong light on PGI.



Guy is running out of people to blame faster and faster...

wonder whats next?

TABLE did it! The TABLE did make us take the direction we took! Its TABLES fault!

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:30 PM

View PostRallog, on 10 September 2014 - 02:02 PM, said:

That is really what PGI should take from this thread.  All these people are taking the time to log in because we still love Mechwarrior.  Do right PGI, apologize, clean some house and show us all that the Mechwarrior we know and love still lives and will blossom into what we all hoped it was.  THEN work on transverse. (Although I really do suggest renaming it.  Seriously that is such a bad one.)
QFT... MWO could still be the best MW game released and when that milestone is reached I'll come back but until then I'll stick with SC. As far as Transverse is concerned I'd say that you (PGI) have your hands full.

#253 CoatHanger

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:30 PM

I look forward to the impending ban of the largest gathering of Founders since like 2012.

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:31 PM

View PostBanned, on 10 September 2014 - 02:28 PM, said:

http://partedveil.com/MWO/
This is a beta draft of an interactive timeline Chronojam has been working on for fun, as a way to organize interviews, patchnotes, and help note the history of the Word of Lowtax during the good days and the bad days.[color="#cc0000"] [/color]Obviously this is an incomplete, static version and is missing a lot of the more recent months -- it covers none of the current Transverse events that are being added to the WIP timeline.

Since so many founders are coming out to share their MWO hopes, dreams, and actual experiences, it seemed like as good a time as any to share a trip down memory lane together.
http://partedveil.com/MWO/


Do you have our interactive timeline? We could share that.

#255 Kain Demos

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:31 PM

Call me lost. What the **** is reddit, looks like some weird ass forums in a ****** format. How is "shadow banned" different from being IP banned or whatever forums do to people?

#256 Garandos

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:32 PM

View PostKain Thul, on 10 September 2014 - 02:31 PM, said:

Call me lost. What the **** is reddit, looks like some weird ass forums in a ****** format. How is "shadow banned" different from being IP banned or whatever forums do to people?



Shadow Banned does not delete your account, it just locks your account "away" you can still post, but a mod has to check everything you post, and either make it visible, or leave it hidden, but you, as shadowbanned user, dont know that.

*edit* and reddit is a "try" in keeping a neutral community, so people can talk/create sub groups about stuff they like, for example MWO and talk there about it.

Edited by Garandos, 10 September 2014 - 02:33 PM.


#257 The Mittani

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:33 PM

I'm just trying to post this here to see if I was vindictively banned, because Niko flipped out at me on twitter. Viz:

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Let's hit post and see what happens!

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:34 PM

Dish it out but can't take it.
I so wanted MWO to be good and it's not even a 1/4 the game a Mechwarrior game should be.
You get what you deserve PGI

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:36 PM

View PostThe Mittani, on 10 September 2014 - 02:33 PM, said:

I'm just trying to post this here to see if I was vindictively banned, because Niko flipped out at me on twitter. Viz:

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Let's hit post and see what happens!



Almost let down that he didn't preemptively ban you.

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 02:36 PM

The psychology is truly fascinating. But having your own community manager effectively destroy your launch of 'biggest game project ever' - just wow.

You ploughed everything you learned from MWO into Transverse - which by the way is offensive to Trans people and the magnet for trans folk related jokes that has resulted from it. Well done on that one.

It's really great tho to see a form of control with Transverse. Many of us have such a deep love for the Battletech Franchise that perhaps we may have been a little blinded by that as we went along with MWO. $350+ for me - raises hand. Now we can all see what you are really about and how you really work and you get to see how the internet is connected and your dreams of $$$$ in your eyes are so much dust.

PGI you are a disgrace.

I see so many names here from better days. Something beautiful is happening here.





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