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[wanderer]

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Did you guys forgot why Gauss, JJ's, IS, Crans... etc., was nerfed? Yap, cause of players roll of whine

And mostly, they howled bloody murder about HOW those changes were applied.

Now, if you don't want a pack of veterans filtering out the patently bad ideas for "balance" before they get going- please. Don't worry about a council. Especially for one thing, that being ECM.

[MischiefSC]

We're probably going to want to leave the vote up for a week. If at all possible I'm trying to find some way to get the vote poll out to the community at large via the launcher, something like that. Part of the goal is a consensus; the problem is that you can't get a consensus from people who are not involved.

The goal is to have a group of peers refine the ECM data and communicate with the community on it, have us refine it down to actual mechanics and proposals we can vote on, then vote. We refine and re-vote until we hit 80%. Then it goes to PGI, who works with the task force (someone came up with TFFP, or Task Force Fish Bait which I like) to then take it back to the community if it's not going to work.

This isn't going to be done by the end of the week. It's going to take time and repeated investments of energy by people. That is exactly why there has to be a task force; someone has to keep it on track and moving forward or everyone is going to get distracted by something shiny and we're going to piss this opportunity away.

[Sgt Helmet]

Vote for VXJaeger

[MischiefSC]

It's also worth reminding that the people on TFFB won't have any authority and will, in fact, be doing a lot of ***** work. They need to be able to communicate intelligently and discuss ECM intelligently with their peers. It's not about trusting someone to make a decision; they're not making any decisions. They're not voting. Community is voting. They' re just the guys who are going to gather our discussions into a readable format so we can vote on them and then present that vote to PGI.

[wanderer]

Mind you, I don't expect to get voted into this. I'm astonishingly average- I don't belong to any big units (on purpose, if I have to be neutral between my Liao bros, membership has it's drawbacks). I don't make people think of me as a super-player (though I've placed visibly in the ranks in challenges before). I just try to illuminate and amuse people, with the occasional nose-tweak to the powers that be when I feel they're doing something wrong.

This is a different way to attempt to communicate here. Should it fail, we are hardly cutting off the regular channels. If it's useful, we've improved the game.

The game desperately needs improvement. I've kept out of the recent ECM debate just in case I got elected, so nobody can say I had bias prior to doing the job. Either you'll put a memester like me on the job, or I'll just shovel my own opinion into the sorting piles after the votes.

[lpmagic]

Homeless Bill

Adiuvo

JagerXII

Iraquiwalker

Kaffeangst

Deadfire

Big Stretch

[MischiefSC]

Deadfire and Big Stretch added to the nominations list.

Remember. This isn't the vote poll. This is just nominations.

[RetroActive]

Pht, on 15 September 2014 - 11:40 AM, said:

It's nice to see some intellectual honesty on this topic instead of the usual immature FUD and name calling.

So, what about putting the maths that represent the battlemech's ability to get its weapons aligned to hit what it's pilot is tracking into the game doesn't seem fun to you? ... it seems fairly odd to me, because what maths get used are directly controlled by the player's skill and choices... and the maths go from "i am a mental midget trying to do the impossible and thus my mech can't hit the impossible target I want" to "I paid attention and I put a gauss slug into my target's leg at twice the rated range for a gauss rifle because my target was dumb enough to not move" - http://mwomercs.com/...different-idea/

I skimmed over your OP in the thread you referenced...wow a lot of thought went into that! But, I like the aiming system as it currently is. I do not advocate a change here. I enjoy the simplicity of seeing what I want to shoot, pointing, clicking and hitting the target if my aim is true.

It doesn't bother me that I can hit things that real life physics would seem to prohibit. I treat this as a video game and I am not interested in a simulator.

You may not understand my POV here, but that's OK, man.....you know...personal preference and all that stuff.

Pht, on 15 September 2014 - 11:40 AM, said:

Funny irony. You're point out that others have strong opinions that they push and than ... strongly push your opinion.

It's possible for people to change their minds, you know. How can you or anyone else decide any given position is worthy of your support ... if nobody ever puts their position out there consistently? You weren't born holding all the opinions you do now.

I don't see where i PUSHED my opinion anywhere. Sure, I did state it. Am I not allowed?

Listen, I see a lot of ideas on these forums that I disagree with. I see a few that I agree with. Just because I don't agree with an idea you DO agree with does not mean that I am in any way dismissing your opinion.

[EboneezeeR]

IraqiWalker, on 15 September 2014 - 11:54 AM, said:

Having DHS that are stronger than TT DHS (If you are running 17 DHS on your mech, or less, they are 2.13+, instead of 2.0)

Instant pinpoint convergence instead of scaling convergence.

DHS IRL in game got only 1,87 instead of 2.0. Deal with it.
Pinpoint damage is not against the Lore/Battletech, it's against TT mostly. And should be leave alone.

[EboneezeeR]

lpmagic, on 15 September 2014 - 12:19 PM, said:

Homeless Bill

He is for Ghost Heat. That is ruining the game. You guys don't even know what or whom you are voting for

[IraqiWalker]

EboneezeeR, on 15 September 2014 - 12:49 PM, said:

DHS IRL in game got only 1,87 instead of 2.0. Deal with it.
Pinpoint damage is not against the Lore/Battletech, it's against TT mostly. And should be leave alone.

No, DHS with the increased heat threshold they add, actually end up being over 2.0 easily with elites. Above 18 DHS you start getting diminished returns.


As for Pinpoint damage, I never said anything about pinpoint damage being a problem. I was talking about INSTANT pinpoint convergence. That's a very different subject. I have no issue whatsoever with Pinpoint damage. However, getting all weapons to converge within a split second onto one spot should not happen. Gradual/scaling convergence in my opinion is a much better system, especially if it's made on a weapon by weapon basis (AC 20 should be slower to converge than a single ML for example).

[MischiefSC]

EboneezeeR, on 15 September 2014 - 12:52 PM, said:

He is for Ghost Heat. That is ruining the game. You guys don't even know what or whom you are voting for

So please tell us, exactly, what someone elected to the task force is going to do. Is he going to make changes? What is he voting on or for? What will he be in charge of? What decisions will he make?

[IraqiWalker]

EboneezeeR, on 15 September 2014 - 12:52 PM, said:

He is for Ghost Heat. That is ruining the game. You guys don't even know what or whom you are voting for

Your account has been in the game for at most 3/4ths of a month. lp has been in this game since 2011. Pretty sure he knows what he's doing.

Also, since you're so opposed to ghost heat. How about you give an alternate suggestion that will stop the next STK from coring you with 6 PPCs right through your CT (Or if you prefer a clan mech, a 2 Gauss 3 ERPPC DWF. Even with current ghost heat values, you can alpha without over-heating immediately)

[Roland]

EboneezeeR, on 15 September 2014 - 12:52 PM, said:

He is for Ghost Heat. That is ruining the game. You guys don't even know what or whom you are voting for

Homeless Bill actually is pretty well known for presenting one of the more comprehensive and well thought out systems for dealing with convergence issues that was NOT Ghost Heat.

No offense, but you've only been around for a month, so you may be less familiar with some of the background of folks on the forums.

[asavisio]

My vote for VXJaeger

[Chronojam]

This is not a thread for voting, be it for VXJaeger or anybody else.

[MischiefSC]

asavisio, on 15 September 2014 - 01:36 PM, said:

My vote for VXJaeger

Please slap all your friends, then please advise them the vote is tomorrow. This is all nominations.

[Krinkov]

+1 vote for deathlyeyes

[IraqiWalker]

Krinkov, on 15 September 2014 - 01:47 PM, said:

+1 vote for deathlyeyes

Voting is not happening today. This is ONLY FOR NOMINATIONS.

[Dymlos2003]

A lot of those people on the list always pushed their agenda even since closed beta. Some haven't even played in months.