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[N0MAD]

Joseph Mallan, on 15 September 2014 - 03:29 AM, said:

So Vote against Players having a say in the game development? Where I work Its called Employee involvement. And it is a pretty useful took for getting things done. But hey if you want to stay on the outside and never have a hand in making improvements, by all means, Sit down and shut up, like we have been forced to do for decades of game development.

So Joe at your work is it a tiny percentage of the company get to have a say or everyone? cause here bro its going to be a very small percentage that a going to have a say..

[Garandos]

N0MAD, on 15 September 2014 - 03:27 AM, said:

Ok so lets take an example of discussion at work, the thread about ECM dialog part 1,, 123 post as of this post, with what couple dozen or what 30-40 (is it that many?) people in that thread, Lets go all out and say a whole 50 unique posters, what percentage of the total suposed 10s of thousands of MWO players is that? yep that is a huge part of the population contributing right? going to get great imput from the community as a whole right?

Who exactly stops you from getting word out to the "silent majority"

Who is putting a Gun to your head, forcing you to NOT put up a ton of work and effort, to get those involved of which you think, they are left out?

I mean tell us, and we take his Gun away gladly!

but at the end of the day, it boils down to one thing:

YOU need to spend hours and hours and hours, informing them.

But you are entirely free to do so, get them on here, get them involved, get their oppinions up, nobody minds that, even the opposite is true!

[El Bandito]

N0MAD, on 15 September 2014 - 03:33 AM, said:

So Joe at your work is it a tiny percentage of the company get to have a say or everyone? cause here bro its going to be a very small percentage that a going to have a say..

Only the upper management (which is really tiny fraction of the total work force) has the say on the direction of any large company. That's how it has always been because it is the most efficient way.

Take Walmart. If one tries to inform all of the 2,000,000 workers in that company and have them all agree to each and every policy, then that's just stupid beyond belief.

Edited by El Bandito, 15 September 2014 - 03:40 AM.

[Mawai]

A couple of things to keep in mind ...

1) No matter what a "council" says ... the final arbiter is PGI. PGI is under no obligation to do anything the council might suggest ... but the council can be a source of reasonable feedback.

2) The whole council idea seems to have worked for EVE online ... which is probably where the idea came from in the first place ... without people implementing too much of any given agenda. In that case, I would tend to see the overall impact on the player base to be positive.

[Joseph Mallan]

N0MAD, on 15 September 2014 - 03:33 AM, said:

So Joe at your work is it a tiny percentage of the company get to have a say or everyone? cause here bro its going to be a very small percentage that a going to have a say..

Employee Involvement is corporate wide, and only a small percentage of the force takes part. So yes a small percentage of employees gets a lot done to improve things!

For ISO Certification, a small group of workers from each plant formed committees, talked to the workers, devised a plan and implemented the ISO standards for each plant. Small group of employees, leading the way for the whole. I was on the Statistical Process Committee we were 5 employees who wrote the ISO program all of Ford R&E follows.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 15 September 2014 - 03:51 AM.

[N0MAD]

El Bandito, on 15 September 2014 - 03:31 AM, said:

Most of the players who genuinely care about the BT franchise and want this game to succeed are the long time forumers, and especially the Founders. It is only right that they should represent the population.

That is still a very small percentage of the population, and to be honest just the loud percentage, not really a representative Percentage is it?.

[El Bandito]

N0MAD, on 15 September 2014 - 03:47 AM, said:

That is still a very small percentage of the population, and to be honest just the loud percentage, not really a representative Percentage is it?.

Hey, if the majority does not care about the balance issues, then make way for those who care. Simple as that.
If you care to have yourself represented, you register on the forums, you write threads--or you shut up and let us do the talking.

Edited by El Bandito, 15 September 2014 - 03:52 AM.

[N0MAD]

Garandos, on 15 September 2014 - 03:35 AM, said:

Who exactly stops you from getting word out to the "silent majority"

Thats an easy one, PGI stops me, they refuse to put an in game general chat where i could converse with the general community instead of just the forums wich as you know is only a small percentage of that population.
And ask PGI again why they wont put up a general chat where true community dialog can happen.

[Garandos]

N0MAD, on 15 September 2014 - 03:54 AM, said:

Thats an easy one, PGI stops me, they refuse to put an in game general chat where i could converse with the general community instead of just the forums wich as you know is only a small percentage of that population.
And ask PGI again why they wont put up a general chat where true community dialog can happen.

Sorry but, excuses here, nothing else.

Lazyness at its best.

Personaly, you find ME advertising the whole ongoing discussions, in most of my matches, simply take the time during the load screen to put out word.

[Joseph Mallan]

N0MAD, on 15 September 2014 - 03:47 AM, said:

That is still a very small percentage of the population, and to be honest just the loud percentage, not really a representative Percentage is it?.

A 5 person EI group can Change Plant policy for hundreds of coworker. It doesn't take MANY to get a lot accomplished.

[N0MAD]

Garandos, on 15 September 2014 - 03:57 AM, said:

Sorry but, excuses here, nothing else.

Lazyness at its best.

Personaly, you find ME advertising the whole ongoing discussions, in most of my matches, simply take the time during the load screen to put out word.

Excusses you say, laziness, that i point out the game doesnt have a community chat where i can talk to the MWO community.
What, PGI want us to reach out to the community yet wont give us the simple tool to do it with? i am expected to reach out all over the interwebs on 3rd party sites to reach the community?.
You say you want to represent the community yet say its my excuse that PGI wont give us a chat room?.
Ok i see where you are coming from..

[Horusv2]

Elitist forum neckbeards trying to get their ideas into some videogame under the agenda of "doing good for the masses"
What a load of crap. The masses dont care. And you people dont represent anybody other than yourself.
You are not shareholders.
For the record: I will vote against anything you people will come up with. This is not a democratic state but a game developed by a company. And when this company is slow or bad at making games they need to get out of business and not this pseudo community crap.
If you have good ideas build your own company or build a mod or whatever.

[Joseph Mallan]

N0MAD, on 15 September 2014 - 04:10 AM, said:

Excusses you say, laziness, that i point out the game doesnt have a community chat where i can talk to the MWO community.
What, PGI want us to reach out to the community yet wont give us the simple tool to do it with? i am expected to reach out all over the interwebs on 3rd party sites to reach the community?.
You say you want to represent the community yet say its my excuse that PGI wont give us a chat room?.
Ok i see where you are coming from..

So you are not talking to the community right now?

[El Bandito]

Horusv2, on 15 September 2014 - 04:10 AM, said:

Elitist forum neckbeards trying to get their ideas into some videogame under the agenda of "doing good for the masses"
What a load of crap. The masses dont care. And you people dont represent anybody other than yourself.
You are not shareholders.
For the record: I will vote against anything you people will come up with. This is not a democratic state but a game developed by a company. And when this company is slow or bad at making games they need to get out of business and not this pseudo community crap.
If you have good ideas build your own company or build a mod or whatever.

This is why we cannot have good things.

Stop playing this game, and find something meaningful to do if all you are going to do is trolling.

Just...**** off.

Edited by El Bandito, 15 September 2014 - 04:18 AM.

[N0MAD]

Joseph Mallan, on 15 September 2014 - 04:13 AM, said:

So you are not talking to the community right now?

No im talking to a VERY SMALL percentage of the population right now, and mostly white knights at that cause you know that other group who didnt agree or had different opinions are not here.

El Bandito, on 15 September 2014 - 04:17 AM, said:

This is why we cannot have good things.



Stop playing this game, and find something meaningful to do if all you are going to do is trolling.



Just...**** off.

And here is the typical Forumites response to people who have a different opinion. this is the type of person who is going to have input, i can see it working real well.

Edited by N0MAD, 15 September 2014 - 04:23 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

N0MAD, on 15 September 2014 - 04:19 AM, said:

No im talking to a VERY SMALL percentage of the population right now, and mostly white knights at that cause you know that other group who didnt agree or had different opinions are not here.

I am not a neckbeard, so you are not talking to me. You are just mad that your name isn't on the list.

It takes a small group of dedicated individuals(10-15) to chance policy for for entire plants (400+). Sure the % is smaller here, but I've seen The Plant Manager give up his "Reserved" Parking spot, and an extra 30 minutes added to Lunch, through the work of 6 employees.

You Should Lead, Follow or Get Out of the Way sir.

Also... When you post on the forum, The Entire community CAN see what you are saying. whether they do or not isn't important.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 15 September 2014 - 04:29 AM.

[Horusv2]

El Bandito, on 15 September 2014 - 04:17 AM, said:

This is why we cannot have good things.

Stop playing this game, and find something meaningful to do if all you are going to do is trolling.

Just...**** off.

I m having fun with this game.

So maybe you should stop playing?

[van Uber]

Sarlic, on 14 September 2014 - 09:56 PM, said:

Because the word: council is just plain stupid, agree?

No. The Council of Stellar Management was a terrific initiative on CCPs part. The CSM has filtered and channeled tons of improvements to the developers of EVE-online. The game would simply not be where it is today without the CSM.

People who are against this initiative from Russ and parts of the community can not possibly have seen the track record of the CSM. I have mentioned this in the forums every other year or so, because it's such a proven idea, it really works well.

If this would be only half as successful as the council of EVE, it will make MWO a better place for us all.

[RF Greywolf]

Joseph Mallan, on 15 September 2014 - 04:21 AM, said:

And that's his happy face....

On topic--- I honestly don't see the negative of having a council of sorts, as long as they actually listen to the community. I have seen too many games try this and get screwed over because the council only did what they wanted, not what the players wanted.

[N0MAD]

Joseph Mallan, on 15 September 2014 - 04:21 AM, said:

I am not a neckbeard, so you are not talking to me. You are just mad that your name isn't on the list.

It takes a small group of dedicated individuals(10-15) to chance policy for for entire plants (400+). Sure the % is smaller here, but I've seen The Plant Manager give up his "Reserved" Parking spot, and an extra 30 minutes added to Lunch, through the work of 6 employees.

You Should Lead follow or get out of the way sir.

Also... When you post on the forum, The Entire community CAN see what you are saying. where they do or not isn't important.

Yep yep how could i of been so misguided, your examples have totally won me over.
I can see now that a small vested percentage of the population will forever change the situation for the masses, i can see now how communisn works so well and that the masses are truly being represented.
Many thanks bro.