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[CycKath]

Lyoto Machida, on 16 September 2014 - 11:06 PM, said:

Wow...I'd love to see that hardpoints they put on that.

LRM where the SRM is and the lasers in the right arm where the AC used to be, just enough crit slots with the lower arm actuator removed.

[ShinobiHunter]

XX Sulla XX, on 16 September 2014 - 11:02 PM, said:

Maybe if we get a nice new Victor setup we could even have a new Victor. Might as well dream since so much stuff is happening lately. Maybe this one....

• Victor Li The custom Victor used by Tai-sho Li Dok To in the Fourth Succession War, this variant removed all the standard weapons and replaced them with a single LRM-15 and ten Medium Lasers. Armor and movement profiles remained unchanged, but it carried a total of nineteen heat sinks. BV (2.0) = 1,625^[18]

The ghost heat on that thing...

[Whiplash!!!]

Wait... are they actually fixing the Victors? I might not sell EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

They are terrible now, as well as the Cataphracts, which I have 4 of, including the Ilya. Clan mechs rip right through them.

[Mcgral18]

Phaggatron, on 17 September 2014 - 06:01 PM, said:

Wait... are they actually fixing the Victors? I might not sell EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

They are terrible now, as well as the Cataphracts, which I have 4 of, including the Ilya. Clan mechs rip right through them.

Not quite true.

[Steel Will]

Is there any ETA on this? I got & mastered VTR's over the weekend expecting a more agile HGN and was disappointed to say the least. It may be straight line faster but actually maneuvering the thing feels much, much worse. I knew it had taken a hit from the nerf bat but had no idea it was that bad.

[Kain Demos]

I think the Victor will be fine if they remove all the negative quirks and give a few of its parts increased armor/structure quirks.

[Slow and Decrepit]

Maybe it's just me, but the Victors just don't feel the same even though the nerfs are gone. I remember them playing like a Mad Cat does, but maybe it's just cause there are so many new mech's that are on the same level if not just better. What do you think?

[Viges]

beleneagle, on 06 November 2014 - 10:38 PM, said:

Maybe it's just me, but the Victors just don't feel the same even though the nerfs are gone. I remember them playing like a Mad Cat does, but maybe it's just cause there are so many new mech's that are on the same level if not just better. What do you think?

I think the same. Too few hardpoints for current meta. And mobility doesn't really help against lasers.

[Bishop Steiner]

Viges, on 07 November 2014 - 07:14 AM, said:

I think the same. Too few hardpoints for current meta. And mobility doesn't really help against lasers.

Sure it does. Especially long duration lasers like Clan ones..... Mobility lets you twist and spread.

VTR is meant to be a PP-FLD hit and run assault mech. Going toe to toe it can do, but it's not the ideal use. Take it's SRMs and AC20, attack the flanks and rears of the enemy and enjoy.

But no. It doesn't rake in the ezmode it was during the height of Poptart Madness.

[Josef Nader]

Yeah, with the Jump Jets toned down a bit the Victor isn't quite the same insanity it was when everyone was fielding 2xPPC/2xAC5. It also doesn't handle like a pig in mud anymore, and it's facing some stiffer competition. That said, it's still an amazing mech capable of performing miracles in the right hands, and once people get back into the groove of things I expect them to regain a lot of their presence on the battlefield.

[Viges]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 November 2014 - 07:37 AM, said:

Sure it does. Especially long duration lasers like Clan ones..... Mobility lets you twist and spread.

VTR is meant to be a PP-FLD hit and run assault mech. Going toe to toe it can do, but it's not the ideal use. Take it's SRMs and AC20, attack the flanks and rears of the enemy and enjoy.

But no. It doesn't rake in the ezmode it was during the height of Poptart Madness.

All the time I read comments like this I think that some people just play another game...

It's a big assault mech with low hardpoints, tell me more about hit and run from madcats please. Or hit and run from direwhale that will make your armor red the first second you expose yourself. Who the hell are you fighting with, people that just watching how beautiful you are and don't shoot or smth?

Edited by Viges, 07 November 2014 - 08:04 AM.

[Josef Nader]

Viges, on 07 November 2014 - 08:03 AM, said:

All the time I read comments like this I think that some people just play another game...

It's a big assault mech with low hardpoints, tell me more about hit and run from madcats please. Or hit and run from direwhale that will make your armor red the first second you expose yourself. Who the hell are you fighting with, people that just watching how beautiful you are and don't shoot or smth?

It's all about positioning and reading the battlefield, my friend. Hit and run doesn't happen from the front. It happens from a wide flank that catches that Dire Wolf in a pincer between the guys in front of him and the Victor that just jumped over the building next to him. He might kill one or the other, but he ain't killin' both.

The Victor has the speed, payload, and maneuverability to get places, and even if it doesn't carry a Dire Whale's loadout, it can apply its loadout more effectively through better positioning. The Timber Wolf is stiff competition, but it doesn't have the high DPS 30 damage pinpoint alpha the Victor was famous for.

A Victor pilot with good aim is going to be a serious, serious threat for any TBR pilot.

[Bishop Steiner]

Viges, on 07 November 2014 - 08:03 AM, said:

All the time I read comments like this I think that some people just play another game...

It's a big assault mech with low hardpoints, tell me more about hit and run from madcats please. Or hit and run from direwhale that will make your armor red the first second you expose yourself. Who the hell are you fighting with, people that just watching how beautiful you are and don't shoot or smth?

People who don't see me coming, and don't have the JJs to follow when I disengage, usually. Pick when and where the battle is fought, and you have already won.

[Barantor]

Josef Nader, on 07 November 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:

A Victor pilot with good aim is going to be a serious, serious threat for any TBR pilot.

Or any mech for that matter, just happens that the victor has good mobility and speed if you use it and are able to (map depending).

[Bishop Steiner]

Josef Nader, on 07 November 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:

It's all about positioning and reading the battlefield, my friend. Hit and run doesn't happen from the front. It happens from a wide flank that catches that Dire Wolf in a pincer between the guys in front of him and the Victor that just jumped over the building next to him. He might kill one or the other, but he ain't killin' both.

The Victor has the speed, payload, and maneuverability to get places, and even if it doesn't carry a Dire Whale's loadout, it can apply its loadout more effectively through better positioning. The Timber Wolf is stiff competition, but it doesn't have the high DPS 30 damage pinpoint alpha the Victor was famous for.

A Victor pilot with good aim is going to be a serious, serious threat for any TBR pilot.

Just had a ...ahem..."drunk and disorderly" Dire Whale pilot spamming QQ over the chat after my cowardly killing of his DW...in a HBK that can only go 80. All through maneuvering and judicious ac20 love.

Apparently that makes me an internet tough guy and "big man", while trying to chase a 50 IS mech in a DW is the height of masculinity.

Also ended up mostly helping carry that match, and the next (not that my team was bad, just how the cookie crumbles, was actually decent teams both side, both matches, overall) by not playing a linear facehugger. Flanks, constant repositioning, hitting them in the rear (or wherever armor was open) and choosing when to risk return fire. Netted me 9 kills in the last 2 matches using an HBK-4G. Yes the AC20 quirk helps, but it has almost HALF the firepower of my VTR, and 2/3 the armor and is actually LESS maneuverable overall.

If my earthbound HBK can do it, my faster, jumping better armored VTR with 12 SRMs more firepower certainly has no issue. (especially since both matches were canyon network. WOulda LOVED me some JJs!)

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 07 November 2014 - 08:32 AM.

[Josef Nader]

Let the tube baby whine about his Zellbregen. If he thinks for one second that I'm obligated to trade broadsides with him like we're sailing the Caribbean in search of Aztec gold, he's huffing coolant.

Sure, his mech might be better on paper, but spreadsheets don't win games. Good piloting, crafty positioning, and skillful aim will always win. I've been having a blast legging Dire Wolves in my 6 SLas Locust since the Quirkening, and the amount of mad that flies my way when I leg a Whale on Tourmaline/Therma/Alpine and run off giggling is hilarious.

[Slow and Decrepit]

LOL! That's a hoot! I sure miss easy mode in a way (health reasons make it hard to play), but sure don't miss the pop tarters.

[C E Dwyer]

Josef Nader, on 07 November 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:

It's all about positioning and reading the battlefield, my friend. Hit and run doesn't happen from the front. It happens from a wide flank that catches that Dire Wolf in a pincer between the guys in front of him and the Victor that just jumped over the building next to him. He might kill one or the other, but he ain't killin' both.

The Victor has the speed, payload, and maneuverability to get places, and even if it doesn't carry a Dire Whale's loadout, it can apply its loadout more effectively through better positioning. The Timber Wolf is stiff competition, but it doesn't have the high DPS 30 damage pinpoint alpha the Victor was famous for.

A Victor pilot with good aim is going to be a serious, serious threat for any TBR pilot.

well its not going to happen a;l the time but I took my B out for some fun durring the chasis challenge ended up 30th, took on two DW's with ac20 and srms got one and tore off a side torso, before the second got my xl engine so they can brawl from the front just don't expect that kind of result all the time

[C E Dwyer]

beleneagle, on 07 November 2014 - 08:27 AM, said:

LOL! That's a hoot! I sure miss easy mode in a way (health reasons make it hard to play), but sure don't miss the pop tarters.

even before the negative quirks were removed it was still able to throw up some good results 2xll srm6/4 and an ac20 brawling got me high in the challenge

[MechWarrior5152251]

Josef Nader, on 07 November 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:

It's all about positioning and reading the battlefield, my friend. Hit and run doesn't happen from the front. It happens from a wide flank that catches that Dire Wolf in a pincer between the guys in front of him and the Victor that just jumped over the building next to him. He might kill one or the other, but he ain't killin' both.

The Victor has the speed, payload, and maneuverability to get places, and even if it doesn't carry a Dire Whale's loadout, it can apply its loadout more effectively through better positioning. The Timber Wolf is stiff competition, but it doesn't have the high DPS 30 damage pinpoint alpha the Victor was famous for.

A Victor pilot with good aim is going to be a serious, serious threat for any TBR pilot.

No one is "Jumping over" any buildings with the current Jump Jets...