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[Destructicus]

dario03, on 17 September 2014 - 05:38 PM, said:

And?
I'm saying its what every thing involving real money should be based off of.
Right now somebody that spent $80 on Phoenix and $7 on MC would get the Centurion, the Atlas, and the King Crab.
But somebody that spent $20 on Phoenix and $200 on MC only gets the Centurion and the Atlas.
And somebody that spent $300 on MC only gets the Centurion.
That doesn't seem right to me.

tough nipples
PGI isn't going to start making special orders to meet your needs
They layed out the terms of the free content and those eligible will receive it
You forget
They don't actually have to give a way jack ****.

Edited by Destructicus, 17 September 2014 - 08:35 PM.

[dario03]

Destructicus, on 17 September 2014 - 05:52 PM, said:

tough nipples
PGI isn't going to start making special orders to meet your needs
They layed out the terms of the free content and those eligible will receive it
Your forget
They don't actually have to give a way jack ****.

They don't, and I have already covered that. Why are you so hostile?
And why are you so adamant about them keeping their rewards system the way it is when what I propose makes more sense and doesn't hurt anybody?
Oh and if you've been paying attention you would notice that I haven't actually been pushing for the return of Phoenix. I wouldn't mind if it did but my point is changing the rewards to be based on money spent.

[VirtualSmitty]

I would be ok with this if the original PP buyers got something, like a cockpit item. I see where people are coming from, i'm also an IS purist and have bought all the packs except clans. I'd also a support a sort of clan buster pack of different variants of existing mechs.

[Ted Wayz]

Instead of asking for exclusive Items that others had to pre-order (and lose the opportunity on that cash) try asking for something else. Like ask PGI to allow an early pre-order of the Clan Buster pack and have it qualify for the King Crab.

This way you do not de-value exclusive items or get something without the commensurate risk that others had to take to receive the item. Or maybe think of something along those lines.

Sorry you are kicking yourself for not pre-ordering the other packs, and if I tried I bet I could find some really negative "PGI ain't getting my money posts" from some of you, just because the King Crab is on the line. Find a different way to get it that doesn't involve de-valuing the property of others.

[Zordicron]

My gut reaction.....No......except....

I could see it, IF certain criteria are met.

-Most importantly, absolutly MUST REMOVE special geometry. The mechs in the pack must be of the generic C-bill style.

- NO GOODIES: none of the preorder stuff can be included. No paint jobs etc, colors. EXCEPTION: allow the forum badge/overlord symbol thing for in game. It is OK by me to have people show that they supported the game buy purchasing this bundle.

- Something should be given as a bonus to the bundle, I think premium time is sufficient, maybe throw in a mechbay for each tier over locust, so Battlemaster level you ould get 3 mechbays. Add one more for Sabre package.

- No c-bill bonus version of the mechs)no hero version) in the place of those, a (C) version would be ok with me(XP bonus) as I feel the "hero" version of the mechs was a major major sell point for preorder. Same with clans IMO, the c-bill bonus on a mech is worth a good deal to many players.

So reboot the package is OK with me, but they need to be generic, non hero version mechs, and the extra goodies from preorder should not be included, with "bonus" rewards simply premium time and a few mechbays, no special camos colors etc. Like I said I know there needs to be some kind of bundle to make it an actual package deal, but they need to be more creative in the rewards then, pick some generic stuff like mechbays to add value and nothing unique so the the preorder crowd dont get pissed off.

[Malleus011]

A lot of good responses here, thanks for taking the time to weigh in.

Like a lot of you, I'm fine with reselling a limited Phoenix, so long as something about my original pack remained special.

I've seen a lot of posters who are adamantly opposed to a reissue. I'm not sure of the % (without polling) but my gut is that it would offend far too many customers for PGI to implement.

I think the best option would probably be a new Inner Sphere pack of one Light, Medium, Heavy and Assault, with three variants each. One of each would be a 30% earnings booster - essentially Phoenix with different chassis. I suggest this pack to be unlimited an never go off sale.

Ultimately, that's up to PGI. I'm not sure if they have the resources to create this with Clan and CW coming along.

[Pendraco]

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I cannot understand your point at all?
At the time, I simply couldn't afford it due to real life constraints. Now I can. what does it matter if I pay exactly the same amount of money as you did now? You still got to play those mechs before me, so WHY does it matter now?
If I were to buy a PP now, it'd be money going to support the game you like to play and by extension support your hobby. I'd happily pay. I'll get a crab anyway when they are released, but I'd like to know why the attitude?

So, why the issue?
Why can't we all agree on a compromise-because any idea that is workable means cashflow for PGI which means increased security for the game we play....what's not to like?


Because right now, if I wanted the Crab I'd have to buy mechs I don't want. An IS mech as a reward to clan mech players? I'd happily drop another $120 but not on clan mechs I won't and can't use in CW.

I can not speak for everyone, but purchasing these packs was no small consideration for me. It is the most money I have spent on a game....ever. But I did manage to get the money together within the time limits set, Pre-order, sight unseen...No test drives allowed...Months before they were available.

Now some of you come along a year later and decide - yea, I totally want those mechs now, I am not fond of your current mechs....please make those available and consider me qualified for the gift meant for those that bought on faith alone..

I am sorry you didn't have the funds back then, I really am. But purchasing those packs wasn't easy for me either.

Now some would say fine! Make new IS mech packs......ah, great...now we have multiple packs, no doubt time limited that makes it harder for everyone to buy in.....and to be brutally honest I would rather see Maps, game modes and CW take priority here.....Then start talking about new IS mech packs.

Like I said, I wish I could go to a Chevy dealer - Build and purchase a brand new '04 ZO6 Vette...but guess what? They don't ******* make them anymore - life eh?

Edited by Pendraco, 17 September 2014 - 06:16 PM.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Sure, make it available.

[Zuesacoatl]

I have to say no. I took a risk when I bought all my packages. I used my Wallet to Show support for a development team that others did not trust, and now some of those others are seeing a reward that I was not expecting to receive come my way and they want in on it? Exclusivity is a big selling point for packs for me, please do not remove that benefit from those of us who supported when others would not.

[Dino Might]

I'm kind of confused by the people who are against the OP's idea because it "devalues" their investment. The mechs you buy have no real money re-sale value, so they can't be "devalued" by offering them for sale to other players later on down the line. As far as investment risk, there really was only an investment risk difference for the founders, who put money towards this game with no guarantee it would even come to fruition.

If you're angry that others get to jump on the bandwagon later, then my question is, "Why?" What about them getting the same deal you did last year makes things so unfair?

Even taken to a point beyond what was discussed: If PGI happened to offer the Phoenix or other mech packs now for a lower cost, and this really bothers you, then you probably need to re-evaluate your judgment with regards to purchasing things. If you don't think the price you are paying is fair, don't buy it. Who cares what the other guy is paying and when. The item you are looking at is worth exactly what you are willing to pay for it. Make your choices and be satisfied with them regardless of how generous or stingy other people are with each other and with themselves.

Inevitably we will always want more for less, but that's no reason to be mad about others getting more for less even if we don't. It's not a zero-sum game, despite what most of our day to day life tries to tell us.

[Dark DeLaurel]

dario03, on 17 September 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

Yeah, but the people that were here but didn't buy were under the premise that it didn't include a King Crab.

Nothing is ever purchased with knowing what the future may hold for it. Your using a fallacy here and so is everyone else who is talking about this.

KamikazeRat, on 17 September 2014 - 04:56 PM, said:

except its digital pizza with unlimited quantitys and you're offering to pitch in after-the fact....

that aside, i actually do agree with you....for the most part.

Just because it is digital still has no effect on it being a limit time or limited quantity.

[Roadkill]

Dino Might, on 17 September 2014 - 06:22 PM, said:

If you're angry that others get to jump on the bandwagon later, then my question is, "Why?" What about them getting the same deal you did last year makes things so unfair?

Because the deal I bought included the provision that others would not be able to jump in later and get the same deal. Part of the value of what I bought is the fact that you are excluded from getting it now.

[Pendraco]

I just do not understand why some are painting this picture of IS pilots sitting about waiting for access to IS Mechs, There nearly all there! Waiting to be purchased and with space bucks! Besides the IS / Clan packs I have purchased 28 Mechs with space bucks....How many Hero's have gone on sale? Did you skip on those?

Or is it just the fact that they do not qualify you for the KC gift, just ask yourself.....why now? Why is this a big deal now? Your all still getting the 30% Centurion and the 30% Atlas...

[CocoaJin]

People gonna get their feelings hurt...so let's have PGI release the Crab Pot pack...the Crab medium chassis CRB-27/27b/27sl variants plus a/the special King Crab variant.

Honestly, there needs to be a IS pack release for a King Crab gift. I personally have no interest in buying a Clan mech at this time since I plan to play Kurita until I poop lizards.

Edited by CocoaJin, 17 September 2014 - 07:15 PM.

[JoolNoret]

Limited time is limited so no, those packs should not be re-released in any way. That said I think there should be mech packs always available that are not limited edition. Hero mech collections for example. Hero + variants + some other bonus. I also don't feel like those should qualify for the KC. What I would consider a viable solution for a qualifying top tier pre-order IS pack is something like the Phoenix packs but a new set of mechs. For example, while not going to happen, a Harmony Gold pack. Marauder, Rifleman, Archer, Crusader, Phoenix Hawk, Wasp, etc. I'd buy that right now lol. It would need to be a pack with Limited Time variants and all the bells and whistles of previous packs just new mechs.
Just my thoughts on it.

[themoob]

Not sure how I feel about the Old Guard mechs. Founders is Founders y'know, the brave and silly with their money to have faith.

But the stuff about Phoenix pack is perfect and exactly what I want, since I was too poor to get it when it came out. Possibility to get the King Crab, a bunch of new mechs, but none of the extra bonuses that the original buyers got.

[JoolNoret]

CocoaJin, on 17 September 2014 - 07:14 PM, said:

Honestly, there needs to be a IS pack release for a King Crab gift. I personally have no interest in buying a Clan mech at this time since I plan to play Kurita until I poop lizards.

I agree with you 100% there.

[Duncan Jr Fischer]

Murphy7, on 17 September 2014 - 10:13 AM, said:

I don't like the re-release of packages because it dilutes the message of those earlier programs.

I am a supporting founder (got into closed beta before the founder's program) because I liked what I was seeing and was interested in supporting it further. I did not go "whole hog mainly because I didn't like all of the founder's mechs, really was only torn between two of them (Hunchback, Atlas - chose Atlas on the idea that I could earn the C-bills for the Hunchback more readily).

I am an Overlord & Saber supporter because I really, really love the original (many still Unseen) mechs. Original to me meaning the 14 mechs that were included in the rule book from the boxed set, oh so many years ago now. My money there was for the mechs I really wanted to see in game, and to show PGI that I would financially support them if/when they make a stab at getting the rest.

(Aside: Warhammers and Marauders, are a given. But can you imagine the glory that would be the Crusader? Missile hardpoints in the legs, arms that stock have 1 E 1B 1M hard points? Really good times to be had there, I think. )
And CRD was one of my favorites in TT.

I did not preorder in the clan packs, as most of the omnis were not that interesting to me - I did grab Mad Cats a la carte because they are also iconic mechs. The clan invasion 2 pack has more mechs to my liking - I will probably order the Loki package, as the Koshi looks fun, and I have liked the Fenris and Loki mechs from TT. Fenris is really going to be hell on wheels. I am more comfortable making that purchase, because I feel better about what PGI is doing with the game now - CW really does seem to be on the near horizon.

But seriously, liberate some of the other Unseen designs to MW:O and I could not throw my money at PGI fast enough.

The post I totally agree with, A-Z.
And yes, it's too bad the Macross Unseen band is still unavailable, damned be Harmony Gold for all time.
That would be the best Preorder program, I guess)
And CRD was one of my absolute favorites in TT.

Edited by Duncan Jr Fischer, 17 September 2014 - 08:00 PM.

[Petrothian Tong]

oh boo.

thought you mean we getting our bushwhackers.

[Night Fury76]

Even though I would like a group of fresh or tech enhanced IS mechs and the fact I have wolverines and giffins with C-Bills, I would buy a Saber Pack and maybe sell the extras to get the special ones as I like the giffin a lot now.

Cheers