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[Ritterzero]

Here's my recommendation for a new IS pack:

Potential lights:
Panther 35 tons
Spector 35 tons
Best option>Hussar 30 tons (very fast)

Medium:
Hoplite 55 tons

Heavy:
Black Knight 75 tons

Assault:
Annihilator 100 tons
Great option >Nightstar 95 tons
Zeus 80 tons

[KamikazeRat]

Ritterzero, on 17 September 2014 - 02:22 PM, said:

HG revs up their lawyers every time they hear the word Warhammer or Marauder used in reference to a robot.

Besides, in order for there to be no legal problems, they would have to change the mechs so much that they would have nothing in common with the originals except the name. Why not just make new mechs at that point?

ok, so here's how the issue would probably play-out, as i understand it(which could be way off)

PGI says "warhammer" HG throws lawsuit after lawsuit at PGI until PGI goes broke. legality? who cares. its the money of fighting off lawsuits PGI doesn't want to deal with.

Pendraco, on 17 September 2014 - 02:29 PM, said:

For one, we have clan packs running already, with one due to be released......(looks at watch, scratches head..eh, soon?) Do not kid yourself - this entire thing started with the butt hurt of those that do not qualify for the King Crab gift....period.

Because...

- I chose to spend all my monies on MC..
- I am an IS purist, that has no IS packs to buy..
- I missed IS packs...
- I did not have any money at the time...

Now all of the sudden PGI must stop and provide a means for me to get an IS Pack of mechs.

for me(personal experience) i don't care about the free KC. i don't want a IS pack, just for the KC. the KC WAS the start renewal of people QQing for an IS pack, yes... but i want an IS pack on its own merits... would you be happy if i said have it come out December 23rd? cause i'd still buy it then and miss my chance at a free KC. (although, again personally, the wave 2 pack is begining to entice me. although its still really only the Loki i want out of it, the rest look decent enough, so i may end up with it either way, lol)
i bought clan mechs. just not the "packages", because they didnt interest me. this pack remains to be seen. if they dropped a good IS pack that felt special, i'd buy it...my milage. my opinion. others maybe butt-hurt about it, i can't speak for them.

EDIT: additional thought.... people have been wanting an IS response pack since the wave 1 clan pack was announced. but Russ posting in a "bring back Phoenix" thread that he isn't opposed to the idea, has renewed fevor. food for thought. edited above to reflect this thought.

Edited by KamikazeRat, 17 September 2014 - 02:40 PM.

[Armament]

I don't like the idea of unique geometry. Maybe just the c-bill bonus.

[Star Colonel Silver Surat]

I don't like the OP's idea that the packs wouldn't come with cockpit items. I would buy the Phoenix first tier but ONLY if it came with the Talon cockpit item, because I want the "Jade Falcon-ish" cockpit item for my Clan account.

I'm a founder on my other I.S. account and I have absolutely no problem with people being able to purchase those mechs again if they so choose. Same with Phoenix. I don't get joy out of life from depriving things from others. Share the wealth!

Edited by Star Colonel Silver Surat, 17 September 2014 - 02:43 PM.

[Xarian]

Alistair Winter, on 17 September 2014 - 01:14 PM, said:

I would like to see every pack made available for new players and old players who have fallen back in love with the game. Even the Founder mechs, without the (F) tag. Give them a [R] tag for Redux or something.

As a proud owner of Phoenix (P) and Clan Invasion (I) mechs, I dont understand why anyone feels that they lose when others gain. Especially when the game is so old and you've already enjoyed your years of feeling like a special snowflake.

I'm happy to share unique geometry, camo patterns, limited edition colours, 30% C-bill bonuses and whatever else that PGI can sell to new players without taking resources away from the stuff we really want to see. It's much easier than forcing PGI to make more and more mechs, which slows down everything else.

I'm on board with having different tags for the [F]ounder mechs - [R]einforcement is a great idea (though Founders may be annoyed that they can't use the [R] tag?). I think the [P]hoenix mech reinforcements should stay the same, though.

[Armament]

Star Colonel Silver Surat, on 17 September 2014 - 02:41 PM, said:

I don't like the OP's idea that the packs wouldn't come with cockpit items. I would buy the Phoenix first tier but ONLY if it came with the Talon cockpit item, because I want the "Jade Falcon-ish" cockpit item for my Clan account.

I'm a founder on my other I.S. account and I have absolutely no problem with people being able to purchase those mechs again if they so choose. Same with Phoenix. I don't get joy out of life from depriving things from others. Share the wealth!

That stuff was the pre order bonus, it makes sense.

[Khobai]

I would rather see 4 new IS mechs for $80.

Edited by Khobai, 17 September 2014 - 03:02 PM.

[Dark DeLaurel]

Pendraco, on 17 September 2014 - 02:29 PM, said:

For one, we have clan packs running already, with one due to be released......(looks at watch, scratches head..eh, soon?) Do not kid yourself - this entire thing started with the butt hurt of those that do not qualify for the King Crab gift....period.

Because...

- I chose to spend all my monies on MC..
- I am an IS purist, that has no IS packs to buy..
- I missed IS packs...
- I did not have any money at the time...

Now all of the sudden PGI must stop and provide a means for me to get an IS Pack of mechs.

I think there are a few more you've missed but that sums it up :-)

[Ted Wayz]

Give us true believers the King Crab.

Give the pretenders the Scorpion.

Edited by Ted Wayz, 17 September 2014 - 02:50 PM.

[Alistair Winter]

Ted Wayz, on 17 September 2014 - 02:50 PM, said:

Give us true believers the King Crab.
Give the pretenders the Scorpion.

What is this, the church? If some people couldn't afford to spend so much money on a computer game, who cares? Let them have their mechs.

Carry harder.

[Groutknoll]

Malleus011, on 17 September 2014 - 09:31 AM, said:

Ater player requests, Russ floated the idea that the Phoenix package could possibly be made available again if the player base (especially Phoenix owners) supported the idea. Naturally, there are voices for and against this idea. Following is my suggestion for a compromise.

Can we get a late comer founder packages also?

[Sparks Murphey]

I can understand why people feel they have the right to buy something in response to the KC give away - Russ actively invites people to qualify by purchasing a top tier pack before the deadline. I also understand why people don't want to have to buy a Clan pack with the revelation that Is players probably won't be able to use them in CW. But opening up the Founders and Phoenix packs is a terrible way to address that. A non-Founders, non-Phoenix IS mech pack alongside Wave 2 would work, but if PGI don't have the resources to do that, they should just leave it be as is.

[KamikazeRat]

Sparks Murphey, on 17 September 2014 - 02:53 PM, said:

I can understand why people feel they have the right to buy something in response to the KC give away - Russ actively invites people to qualify by purchasing a top tier pack before the deadline. I also understand why people don't want to have to buy a Clan pack with the revelation that Is players probably won't be able to use them in CW. But opening up the Founders and Phoenix packs is a terrible way to address that. A non-Founders, non-Phoenix IS mech pack alongside Wave 2 would work, but if PGI don't have the resources to do that, they should just leave it be as is.

but they might be able to do it before the deadline for the KC, might....especially if rumors are true that the art department is way ahead on their mech building, they could just pick 4 mechs that people will go nuts for and package them together, and presto, reinforcement pack. add a shiny doodad and a forum sticky-star, and im a buyer.

Edited by KamikazeRat, 17 September 2014 - 02:56 PM.

[Dark DeLaurel]

To everyone that wants an IS pack, there are plenty of hero's currently out there for sale. With more on the way which is a given.

There have been three IS packs since launch and a lot of hero's that are there. We are only seeing two Clan packs and most likely the only two we will see.

[Xarian]

Roadkill, on 17 September 2014 - 12:39 PM, said:

My experience from the business side of this industry is exactly opposite of what you think.

Exclusivity is good for business. It drives purchases by feeding the collector mentality. Limited editions and limited releases are a cornerstone of the free to play model.

It's actually quite bad - the 'collector mentality' means that people want to collect everything. It means that someone with a collector mentality will never get into MWO because they can't collect the old stuff. Why would you want that? For every "collector" customer that got in on the Founder thing in MWO, there are more out there who missed the boat - people who might otherwise be spending money on MWO but who aren't because (for example) the really cool Phoenix skins aren't available - even though they would pay for them if given the chance!

Have you ever thought "Gee, I guess I won't buy this thing now because it'll just be available a year from now for even more money"? No. Take a look at the Clan packs - they have been available for a long time, and you still get nearly all of the exclusive stuff (you miss out on the preorder cosmetics) - forum tags, skins, the whole thing. How many people do you see complaining about it? None. Because Clan pack purchasers still got to play their mechs before everybody else, and they got some coffee cups and such.

The more exclusive you make games, the quicker they die. Making these sales yearly is the right way to go - people can say "gee, I guess I missed that sale, but I'll come back next year and spend the $$". Sure beats "gee, I guess I missed that sale and I missed that one thing that I really wanted... guess I'll go play something else"

This isn't real life, here - these objects can't be transferred between players, so there's no true "limited" nature of these items, as you have with real-life collector items. They're actually restricted. As in, a certain class of people are disallowed from ever obtaining that content whether they want them or not. That sort of thing makes players feel like second-class citizens.

Some games use this model very effectively, but they all have one thing in common: this restricted content isn't particularly rare. You might have a "time limited skin" for sale every month or so, so you don't feel bad if you missed one from way-back-when. MWO, on the other hand, has a grand total of 3. Anyone who's willing to dish out the $ for the old, second-rate mechs just so they can run around in Founder skins and Founder badges should be allowed.

Denying other people content doesn't make your content any better. It just makes theirs worse.

[Nick Drezary]

I like and support the idea, though i doubt I would buy one.

[Sparks Murphey]

KamikazeRat, on 17 September 2014 - 02:56 PM, said:

but they might be able to do it before the deadline for the KC, might....especially if rumors are true that the art department is way ahead on their mech building, they could just pick 4 mechs that people will go nuts for and package them together, and presto, reinforcement pack. add a shiny doodad and a forum sticky-star, and im a buyer.

Agreed, if they can do a new pack I'm fine with it. But if they don't have time or spare artists or whatever to make that happen, they shouldn't just reopen the Founders or Phoenix packs, even under a different name.

[Procyon Alpha]

Let them Have CAKE!

[KamikazeRat]

Sparks Murphey, on 17 September 2014 - 03:01 PM, said:

Agreed, if they can do a new pack I'm fine with it. But if they don't have time or spare artists or whatever to make that happen, they shouldn't just reopen the Founders or Phoenix packs, even under a different name.

yeah, im still on the fence with phoenix pack...but founders, definitely not. i'd go for the same chassis, but redone, sort of nod to the originals, new geo, new paint, new shinys. heck, even give founder half off or something. maybe make everybody happy

EDIT: this is the internet...everybody will never be happy.

Edited by KamikazeRat, 17 September 2014 - 03:04 PM.

[Haakon Magnusson]

Destructicus, on 17 September 2014 - 09:52 AM, said:

We bought those packs under the premise they'd never be available again

I have to agree, all of the sudden you can once more buy that unique package again, really?
If they really feel obliged to do that, create a new package. Do not water down all past and future packs, sucks not to have been there to buy them when they were available.. now can I also get the competitions I missed again because I.. missed them