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[S3dition]

Redshift2k5, on 18 September 2014 - 01:13 PM, said:

So people who spent more money don't deserve the same reward as people who spent less money, just because of labels, got it.

What about the people who went all in with a pre-order when the forum was full of haters saying the game would be dead 3 months after launch? Where is our reward?

I think you're missing the point. It's set up to reward people who actually had faith int he company and purchased on the bad days, not just the good ones. I dropped $120 on the full saber package, even when a lot of people were just waiting to trash MWO on metacritic. A lot of people did. It's not about who blows the biggest load, but who has the right timing.

[Dark DeLaurel]

S3dition, on 18 September 2014 - 06:08 PM, said:

It's not about who blows the biggest load, but who has the right timing.

I think the porn industry wants their catch phrase back

[Tastian]

PGI is doing an amazing job having so many prizes cover so many things. If you've dropped any amount of time or money on this game you will be getting something. And while there isn't tier rewards based on the pure amount of money dropped, I think PGI is totally compensating those persons that took a risk when a risk was there.

But more importantly, person's who purchased a top tier package should be compensated with *SOMETHING* don't you think? And at that point, someone somewhere would then cry "Why don't I get that too even though I didn't buy a top tier package?"

[Khobai]

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So people who spent more money don't deserve the same reward as people who spent less money, just because of labels, got it.

Theyre loyalty rewards. Theyre meant to reward players who have been buying packages since founders. Theyre the players that essentially kickstarted this game and the reason this game exists in the first place. So yes it seems fair to me for them to get rewarded more.

[Lyoto Machida]

CHH Badkarma, on 18 September 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

For thw record, its not clan mechs that are op, I AM OP

[Kaptain]

Bront, on 18 September 2014 - 02:53 PM, said:

I would have no problem if they amended the King Crab so that anyone who purchased the $120+ Wave1 clan packages (or spent more than $120 Ala Carte) received it. Top Teir on that package is a bit much (and they get a crack at the Mad Dog anyway).

Good idea.

[Valore]

dario03, on 18 September 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:

Well like I said you don't actually get to try hero mechs before you buy them. Actually you don't even get to try regular mechs before you buy them unless they are a trial and then you only get the trial set up.

Another copy and paste

"IIRC you could pre-order Phoenix all the way up to when it launched and ordering it earlier got you bonuses (so again value for added by buying early). So actually you could just buy Phoenix and get your stuff really quick. Though I'm still not sure why that would be a big deal, its not like the Phoenix mechs were drastically different. You basically just pre-ordered a set of mechs that weren't in the game yet. And you don't always get instant gratification from buying MC. Again I'm not sure why you think that is such a big deal but since you have to buy MC in packs (similar to Phoenix) you don't just get to buy exactly what you need. And buying a bigger pack gets you more value. Plenty of people buy large packs of MC and then sit on it for a while waiting for the mechs they want to come out even if said mechs haven't been announced yet. Or you just buy small chunks of premium a lot and get less for your money. And on top of that you couldn't use your banked MC to buy the Phoenix or clan packs.
So again the people that buy early and spend big all at once already get benefits. I don't see why the people that support the game at least as much as those people shouldn't get stuff just because they gave PGI money in a different way at a different time."

Also the packs are often times a good deal compared to buying mechs seperate. Overlord got you 4 mechs totaling 225 tons with 30% cbill bonuses, 8 regular mechs, 12 mech bays, and a bunch of premium and other stuff the earlier you bought. for just a bit more than the cost of 225 tons of hero mechs.

Plus your ignoring that I'm not talking just MC. You could spend $460 on PRE-ORDER packs and not get the KC.

No, the Phoenix package basically came sight unseen. You didn't know whether they had absolutely nonsense hitboxes, crappy hardpoint locations, or were even any good. They stopped selling the package before they were released I'm pretty sure.

And in the case of the Phoenix mechs, they were totally rubbish tbh. The Shadowhawk 2K, which wasn't even in the bloody package, is the only decent one of the lot, the rest are outclassed by tons of other things in their weight class.

Hero mechs on the other hand, you could check out first by fighting against people who have them to see how they were, then wait for a sale, and decide if you wanted one. That's not really the definition of having 'faith'.

I think PGI decided there's a definition between people who just throw money at whatever they sell, and people who buy selectively, and they're trying to encourage 'money throwing' with their giveaways. They ALSO gave appreciation to people who have spent money on MC with other gifts, which they didn't have to offer. A free hero mech is a lot more than most of us would have previously expected. To now be all 'but its not a King Crab', would be the very definition of churlish

[dario03]

Valore, on 18 September 2014 - 08:19 PM, said:

No, the Phoenix package basically came sight unseen. You didn't know whether they had absolutely nonsense hitboxes, crappy hardpoint locations, or were even any good. They stopped selling the package before they were released I'm pretty sure.

And in the case of the Phoenix mechs, they were totally rubbish tbh. The Shadowhawk 2K, which wasn't even in the bloody package, is the only decent one of the lot, the rest are outclassed by tons of other things in their weight class.

Hero mechs on the other hand, you could check out first by fighting against people who have them to see how they were, then wait for a sale, and decide if you wanted one. That's not really the definition of having 'faith'.

I think PGI decided there's a definition between people who just throw money at whatever they sell, and people who buy selectively, and they're trying to encourage 'money throwing' with their giveaways. They ALSO gave appreciation to people who have spent money on MC with other gifts, which they didn't have to offer. A free hero mech is a lot more than most of us would have previously expected. To now be all 'but its not a King Crab', would be the very definition of churlish

You're still ignoring the point about me not only talking about MC. Like I said you could spend $450 on PRE-ORDERs alone and not get the King Crab. $60 founders and $60 phoenix and $200 in MC won't get you the KC but... $80 phoenix will...

Edited by dario03, 18 September 2014 - 08:54 PM.

[Destructicus]

dario03, on 18 September 2014 - 08:44 PM, said:

You're still ignoring the point about me not only talking about MC. Like I said you could spend $460 on PRE-ORDERs alone and not get the King Crab. $60 founders and $60 phoenix and $200 in MC won't get you the KC but... $80 phoenix will...

Russ Bullock, on 18 September 2014 - 08:14 PM, said:

Here is my take on this subject being heavily discussed. In case your unaware the summary is that we have plenty of IS loyalists who either missed the chance or chose not to buy a Legendary founders or Phoenix overlord package. Now to qualify for the King Crab their only remaining option is to buy either a Masakari or Man O War package. But of course they are IS loyalists so this option is understandably not much of an option at all.

Here are a few hard stops as I see it:

Although there were many ways we could have gone about the Customer appreciation program and the criteria we set for each of the various rewards. The fact is we launched it under the requirements that we did and many people have already made significant buying decisions based on that information so I don't think it would be fair to adjust that criteria at this point.

Next on to the Foundes and Phoenix programs, I have read the threads and although there is some support in both cases there is also I believe enough players that are against the prospect that it would be unfair of Piranha to bring those programs back.

Trust me bringing back the Founders or Phoenix program would be by far the easiest option for Piranha to provide, however I don't feel we have the complete support we would need to do so. Which means that IF we were to provide a new IS package it would need to be a NEW program.
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The gist of it is that the people who made those investments at those times are to be rewarded with specific mechs, not people who have spent large amounts of money over time.
Thats what the other rewards are for.
You're getting your gifts but you're miffed it's not what you want.
It's childish.
The Phoenix pack is never coming back.
Either
A. Buy the next 80 dollar pack sometime in 2015
or
B. Sack up and buy the MC crabs

Edited by Destructicus, 18 September 2014 - 08:55 PM.

[Valore]

dario03, on 18 September 2014 - 08:44 PM, said:

You're still ignoring the point about me not only talking about MC. Like I said you could spend $450 on PRE-ORDERs alone and not get the King Crab. $60 founders and $60 phoenix and $200 in MC won't get you the KC but... $80 phoenix will...

And you're missing my point My point is it seems they've decided to reward people who throw money regardless of what comes out. If you got lucky with the Phoenix and that's all you ever bought, good on you, but those arent the people who they CHOSE to reward.

If you want to be jealous someone got lucky, then well, not much to be done except maybe be less petty ?

If you were the smart type who picked and bought exactly what you wanted, well yeah, kinda sucks but there's a chance you missed out on the KC.

Which is why I said, propose that they give recognition to people by spending level as well. That's a fair proposal I think.

[Lucian Nostra]

I wonder if this issue would even have come up if the King Crab was for pre-ordering and the Atlas was for top tier..

I really think it's just new mech-need-to-have-now-jealousy..

[dario03]

Lucian Nostra, on 18 September 2014 - 09:11 PM, said:

I wonder if this issue would even have come up if the King Crab was for pre-ordering and the Atlas was for top tier..

I really think it's just new mech-need-to-have-now-jealousy..

Nope, I actually don't care what the reward is.
I wonder if they had announced that every one got the special KC if people would complain about not being special because they were pack buyers...

[Bishop Steiner]

dario03, on 18 September 2014 - 09:19 PM, said:

Nope, I actually don't care what the reward is.
I wonder if they had announced that every one got the special KC if people would complain about not being special because they were pack buyers...

Probably. This thread shows people will complain about anything,, after all.

But I know I would not have. Its a free gesture, from PGI, for whatever reason. I'm happy with it in whatever form.

My only issue has ever been the demanding, entitled attitudes about how PGI should do their free loyalty rewards.

[dario03]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 September 2014 - 09:30 PM, said:

Probably. This thread shows people will complain about anything,, after all.

But I know I would not have. Its a free gesture, from PGI, for whatever reason. I'm happy with it in whatever form.

My only issue has ever been the demanding, entitled attitudes about how PGI should do their free loyalty rewards.

Yeah it is a bit annoying that people are demanding that they should get free stuff and others shouldn't simply because they bought a pack at a certain time and just have to be special.

[Reitrix]

Willard Phule, on 18 September 2014 - 12:13 PM, said:

Why does it even matter?

Everyone wants the KC for the big Dakka....and it's going to be OP as soon as it hits....and it's going to make the whine flow like the Mississippi....and when it's finally released for cbills, it's going to get nerfed like the Nova...straight into the ground.

Actually, I'm fairly certain my Dire Wolf would ruin a King Crab in 1v1. I'd just remove its enormous arms, then gently stroke it's CT with Small Lasers until it fell over.

dario03, on 18 September 2014 - 09:45 PM, said:

Yeah it is a bit annoying that people are demanding that they should get free stuff and others shouldn't simply because they bought a pack at a certain time and just have to be special.

Those of us who did buy qualifying packs did so without any thought as to what we might be getting on top of what the packages included.
Now that PGI has said "We;re going to thank those customers with gifts for doing that", people want the gift, without needing to buy that which PGI is saying thank you for.

See the problem?

Edited by Reitrix, 18 September 2014 - 09:50 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

dario03, on 18 September 2014 - 09:45 PM, said:

Yeah it is a bit annoying that people are demanding that they should get free stuff and others shouldn't simply because they bought a pack at a certain time and just have to be special.

and you just jettison any remote credibility you might have built by resorting to butthurt.

Get over yourself.

PGI offered nice things.
PGI didn't have to.
Instead of being gracious and saying "thanks dad!"
People instead demand why can't we have everything!
And gosh, you really messed it up, this is how you should have done it.
Proving that maybe PGI should have given us nothing at all
Since some people apparently have jealousy issues, and can't simply enjoy the nice things they were given.

Yup. No entitlement issues there at all.

Attitudes like that are exactly why nobody gets to have nice things.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 18 September 2014 - 09:52 PM.

[S3dition]

Valore, on 18 September 2014 - 08:19 PM, said:

No, the Phoenix package basically came sight unseen. You didn't know whether they had absolutely nonsense hitboxes, crappy hardpoint locations, or were even any good. They stopped selling the package before they were released I'm pretty sure.

And in the case of the Phoenix mechs, they were totally rubbish tbh. The Shadowhawk 2K, which wasn't even in the bloody package, is the only decent one of the lot, the rest are outclassed by tons of other things in their weight class.

Hero mechs on the other hand, you could check out first by fighting against people who have them to see how they were, then wait for a sale, and decide if you wanted one. That's not really the definition of having 'faith'.

I think PGI decided there's a definition between people who just throw money at whatever they sell, and people who buy selectively, and they're trying to encourage 'money throwing' with their giveaways. They ALSO gave appreciation to people who have spent money on MC with other gifts, which they didn't have to offer. A free hero mech is a lot more than most of us would have previously expected. To now be all 'but its not a King Crab', would be the very definition of churlish

Sucks that you can't make any of the phoenix mechs work. I did rather well with the Battlemaster and Shadow Hawk myself. My friend is loving the Griffon.

It's all in how you play.

[dario03]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 September 2014 - 09:50 PM, said:

and you just jettison any remote credibility you might have built by resorting to butthurt.

Get over yourself.

PGI offered nice things.
PGI didn't have to.
Instead of being gracious and saying "thanks dad!"
People instead demand why can't we have everything!
And gosh, you really messed it up, this is how you should have done it.
Proving that maybe PGI should have given us nothing at all
Since some people apparently have jealousy issues, and can't simply enjoy the nice things they were given.

Yup. No entitlement issues there at all.

Attitudes like that are exactly why nobody gets to have nice things.

Response is basically what you said but from the other point of view. So get over yourself.

[Valore]

S3dition, on 18 September 2014 - 09:52 PM, said:

Sucks that you can't make any of the phoenix mechs work. I did rather well with the Battlemaster and Shadow Hawk myself. My friend is loving the Griffon.

It's all in how you play.

They work fine. But why take a locust over a 3L or most any other lights?

Shadowhawk is okay as I said, but the 2K is the best variant and wasn't even included in the pack.

Why take a Thunderbolt over a 3D?

Why take a Battlemaster over a Stalker?

Griffins are okay, but Shadowhawk 2K still beats it in the 'I wanna be a flying Centurion' stakes.

For casual play they work fine, but in competitive play, I wouldn't use any of those. They don't have any good points that make them stand out over their top notch counterparts.

In all fairness, I know competitive play isn't for everyone, and some people will get mileage out of them, but unfortunately for what I usually take part it, they don't quite make the cut. Whatever they do, another mech does better.

Hopefully the round of quirk implementations will change that

Edited by Valore, 18 September 2014 - 10:15 PM.

[Destructicus]

dario03, on 18 September 2014 - 10:00 PM, said:

Response is basically what you said but from the other point of view. So get over yourself.

Not really
You're the one upset you didn't get what you wanted