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[Malcolm Vordermark]

Jive Korsan, on 19 September 2014 - 12:41 PM, said:

I would say I would support this as I'm not Much of a clanner and new IS mechs would rock. I would suggest the regular crab for the medium slot I mean it just makes since

I think that would be cool, but it looks like all it has the similar hardpoints across all its timeline appropriate variants, that is, all energy. I think we'd need to have a few variants made up to give it some variety.

[mooky]

I wouldn't mind a new pack of mechs, but not at the expense (currently) of overstressing teams already working on the KC, and the 4 new Clan mechs, plus the new variants, maps (yes please, MOAR!!!!!), etc. Would I buy a new IS pack, yes? Do I think its needed at the moment: no.

How about a compromise which requires minimal investment from PGI:

Hero Special - "pick 4 Innersphere hero mechs" for $70-80, and also get the King Crab?

I know I'd probably go and grab the Jester, the Boars Head, the Dragon Slayer, and the Firebrand.

Edited by mooky, 19 September 2014 - 01:01 PM.

[Tsula]

All for this!!!! Thou my cash is low dang you guys.
For mechs
Light: Mongoose
Medium: Don't really have one so go for another heavy Lancelot
Heavy: Black knight
Assult: Crockett, or Flashman

[Thunder Lips Express]

Russ Bullock, on 18 September 2014 - 08:14 PM, said:

Here is my take on this subject being heavily discussed. In case your unaware the summary is that we have plenty of IS loyalists who either missed the chance or chose not to buy a Legendary founders or Phoenix overlord package. Now to qualify for the King Crab their only remaining option is to buy either a Masakari or Man O War package. But of course they are IS loyalists so this option is understandably not much of an option at all.

Here are a few hard stops as I see it:

Although there were many ways we could have gone about the Customer appreciation program and the criteria we set for each of the various rewards. The fact is we launched it under the requirements that we did and many people have already made significant buying decisions based on that information so I don't think it would be fair to adjust that criteria at this point.

Next on to the Foundes and Phoenix programs, I have read the threads and although there is some support in both cases there is also I believe enough players that are against the prospect that it would be unfair of Piranha to bring those programs back.

Trust me bringing back the Founders or Phoenix program would be by far the easiest option for Piranha to provide, however I don't feel we have the complete support we would need to do so. Which means that IF we were to provide a new IS package it would need to be a NEW program.

If we look at the price points of the four qualifying packages they go from 120, 80, 240 and 120. Therefore the lowest price point was the Phoenix Overlord package and with that in mind I think any new program would at least need to match the 80$ package level. Also Piranha has never charged for one of these programs at these dollar amounts unless the value of the packages were high and the biggest part of that value was in the fact the chassis were all new.

So I think if we were to offer a package for IS players to get in order to qualify for the King Crab I think it would need to be a new 80$ package with new IS chassis.

I want to hear your thoughts now on this, because it takes significant resources to develop one of these packages and we would need to have some idea on what the support level would be, how many would be interested?

great idea, i think the amount of likes your post got should give you the answer
clan buster pack?

[carl kerensky]

Russ Bullock, on 18 September 2014 - 09:45 PM, said:

Some good thoughts in here.

No I dont think it would be appropriate to make the King Crab one of the mechs, the point here is that the past packages and promotions need to stay in place as I described and people already paid good money to get those items and achieve those brackets.

But otherwise I think if the 4 chassis were really interesting and had some sizzle to it, that would really make this feel worth while., There have been some good suggestions on chassis.



I can say work on Dropship mode is going well, I hope soon I will be allowed to confirm it's place in CW.

Very excited Russ on the Dropship mode. I hope it pans out because it's a fantastic move in the right direction.
As far as a IS pack is concerned. I'm all for it.

[Radiant Mass]

Question. Is this KGC going to be a "Hero" or is it going to be treated like the "Founder" mechs, using one of the time line available models, those being KGC-000, KGC-0000, and KGC-010.

Actually seeing the concept art helps too, if its complete that is .

But if you guys want to push for another mech pack, the answer is easy.

Who ya gonna call?
Clanbusters!
I ain't afraid of no Ghost Bear.

Edited by Marcs Birger, 19 September 2014 - 01:25 PM.

[Trystan Thorne]

A new IS package, hmmmmmmmmmm. Depending on the Mechs, I think I would go for it.
Still regretting that Timber Wolf a la carte I bought. Not because of the money (fun Mech to play), but looks like I'm turning into a small bit of an IS purist.
So new IS Mechs, would surely be tempting (even though I already own the Phoenix Overlord Package).

My only worry. How will a new package look to non MWO and potential new joiners? They might think you guys are just trying to squeeze out money out of your gamers. Your reputation has taken a hit recently already (sorry for the blunt words).
If you do it, make sure you say due to player demand or so.

Edited by Trystan Thorne, 19 September 2014 - 01:27 PM.

[ryoken12]

I was not around for Phoenix package(was working 14 hours a day) so I would love a new IS package. As such I would love to see some classic mechs like --- warhammer---Marauder---Phoenix Halk---Stinger---wasp---Crusader---Archer--- all classic mechs that have been around for ever. Or can introduce some new tech mechs like ---Penatrator---devastator---Berzerker---Anvil---Wraith---Huron Warrior---IMP---Stealth---Fireball---Dart and I can go on and on here.
Point is so many options, and I am sure some are in the works, or even done already so how hard would it be.

[MischiefSC]

Again. Please. No big IS energy boats. It's a waste; they are flat out inferior to Clan energy boats. If anyone wants an unplayed IS energy boat heavy try the Thunderbolt or the Quickdraw. Nobody plays them - because IS energy boats are bad.

AC+energy or missile-heavy.

[Valten]

I'd be in for a new IS pack but my requirements may not be something you guys can meet.

Light
Wasp/Stinger

Medium
Phoenix Hawk

Heavy
Rifleman (Yes I know that the Jagger is just a rifleman by another name)
Crusader
Archer
Warhammer
Marauder
(Emphasis on Warhammer and Marauder!!!)

Assault
Don't care, I have my BLR and Atlas, those are the IS assaults I like.

Please please please give us the Marauder!

Edited by Valten, 19 September 2014 - 01:49 PM.

[Dawnstealer]

Russ Bullock, on 18 September 2014 - 09:38 PM, said:

lol - I can take another stab at HG but probably not

Okay, so not sure Russ is still reading this one, as the page count is getting pretty high, but what about doing a "Harmony Gold Pack" (or two) where the majority of profits go to Harmony Gold and the mechs are exclusive (ie. the only way you get them is if you buy the pack).

In this case, the pack or packs would not have a horizon and would available for the duration of the game's life. Harmony Gold gets money for essentially doing nothing but being a patent troll, PGI gets a bigger pull for old schoolers, we players get our Wasps, Stingers, Archers, Warhammers, Marauders, Long Bows, Riflemen, and so on.

Would it work? Would they bend? Has this tactic/deal already been tried?

Valten, on 19 September 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

I'd be in for a new IS pack but my requirements may not be something you guys can meet.

Light
Wasp/Stinger

Medium
Phoenix Hawk

Heavy
Rifleman (Yes I know that the Jagger is just a rifleman by another name)
Crusader
Archer
Warhammer
Marauder
(Emphasis on Warhammer and Marauder!!!)

Assault
Don't care, I have my BLR and Atlas, those are the IS assaults I like.

Please please please give us the Marauder!

Nearly all the mechs you've listed are "Unseen" because Harmony Gold (violently) holds their rights.

[Rebas Kradd]

MischiefSC, on 19 September 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

Again. Please. No big IS energy boats. It's a waste; they are flat out inferior to Clan energy boats

You could get around this with the Black Knight by giving it ECM.

/troll

[AgroAlba]

Hey, you put an Urbanmech in it I'll buy whatever ya want.

In all seriousness, I find a lot of value in the pre-order packs. So if you want to make a new IS pack, awesome.

[Liquid50]

I would be very interested in this, i am currently not eligible for the custom king crab variant but am very excited for it and would love to get it. my unit is IS though and i am not interested in spending a lot of money on clan mechs.

[xJohnWolf]

Russ Bullock, on 18 September 2014 - 08:14 PM, said:

Next on to the Foundes and Phoenix programs, I have read the threads and although there is some support in both cases there is also I believe enough players that are against the prospect that it would be unfair of Piranha to bring those programs back.

Trust me bringing back the Founders or Phoenix program would be by far the easiest option for Piranha to provide, however I don't feel we have the complete support we would need to do so.

This line of thinking hasn't stopped you from doing anything in that past that infuriated your community. For a business model, ease of implementation, and common sense... you should just do it. Offer a limited time only chance to purchase those packages from the past. Bring back the founders and the phoenix packages for a week or so and shut them down. Give people a limited chance to grab those. I see absolutely no problem with this. You've broken promises before, you can do it again. The people that will be mad aren't exactly going to stop playing. They will just be mad. You will make money for a minimum amount of work, which will in turn give you more resources to finish CW. If you get more resources to make a better game for us, I can't see that any logical person who enjoys this game and wants it to be better could possibly disagree.

One thing you can do to satisfy them, is change the decals or tags on the mechs or forum tags. Make slight changes so that people can tell who was an "original founder" and who was a "second chance founder" That way, the original founders and phoenix package purchasers can maintain their status and you maintain your integrity, but folks that never had the chance to purchase the packages in the first place have a second chance to throw money into your pocket. This shouldn't be a tough decision. And frankly, I'm surprised that you guys didn't do this in the first place.

Now... for my personal feelings on the subject. I absolutely do not think you need to do anything to please people who do not qualify for these customer and loyalty rewards. They are loyalty rewards. It's simple, you either didn't or you did purchase something in the past and this is a reward for people who did. It's not a question of ethics or fairness that you don't allow people to purchase these previous packages now or for you to offer a new way to gain the same reward. Either way you will upset someone. It's a bonus that you are giving people who helped found and shape the game by giving you some money. If people didn't give you money, they don't get the reward. It's simple. You shouldn't feel guilted into providing something to someone who didn't (even if they didn't have the chance) give you anything. Suck it up buttercups. You don't qualify, get over it. Move on.

All that aside, I would pay double or triple (maybe even quadruple or quintuple) to the chance to purchase a founder's pack. No I am not rich. I just love video games and lack self control in my spending. It's just that I never had a chance to buy one. That makes it valuable to me because I can't have it.

If you want more money to make a better game, I'd say do the easy thing and just let people be upset. They will find other reasons to be upset anyways. But with more money, you can make a better game (or you should be able to, logically speaking).

In short - SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY -

[LegioIV]

Would love to see a IS pack but it would be wise I think to add A ECM heavy mech in said pack.

I would say a black knight or A Hammerhand for sure, as for variants I say just add a laser boat version for the hammerhead or a ballistic version for the black knight, even if its not TT

Edited by Legioxx, 19 September 2014 - 02:44 PM.

[Grimlox]

Those that like to get both IS and Clan packs will be pretty stretched I would imagine. Having bought both the Masakari and ManoWar pack in the last couple of months it just feels like we are pretty saturated with mech packs recently.

I'm sure you will get some people that either didn't buy Clan or would buy 3 packs in a year but I would have to assume you would be more profitable and less taxing on your team to wait until next year for an IS pack.

Also I would absolutely hate for maps/cw/other features to be delayed just to cram another pack sale into a short period of time. If there has to be another way to get the King Crab to IS only fans I would prefer you figure that out rather than tie up the dev team on another 4 mech pack so quickly.

Edited by Grimlox, 19 September 2014 - 02:46 PM.

[SmartmuhahaXD]

Why not make the King Crab already available for 50 $ in combination as a starter pack and call it terror from the deep, attack of the seafood !

You will get the three variants and the hero all with mekbay,

additionally :

- 4 mekbays
- MC ????
- GXP ????

To get you started !

[Wine O]

Clan has an uber-expensive Gold Mech

IS can have a more affordable but equally pretty Silver mech for $80.

Howzabout dat?

Edited by Wine O, 19 September 2014 - 02:45 PM.

[Kell Commander]

There were 22 pages when I made it to this thread so sorry if I'm saying something that's already been said.

Have a new package come out next year like you rough estimated, then retro-actively give people who by the top tier pack a King Crab with cbill bonus.

With regard to would I purchase a new pack, I would need to know the chassis first. I will say though if Black Knight, Zeus, or Cyclops were involved, yes I would definitely buy.

Finally, I am overly impressed with how quickly Russ responded to this idea. My faith in PGI had been shattered at one point, but you are well on your way to bringing it back. Please keep up the good work and communications.