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#1 Kiiyor

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 04:09 PM

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So, ECM, on a not-so-slow light. Hope you like dust, KitFox! All the hardpoints are in the arms though...

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The hitboxes look OK, but those arms won't protect much! You can however cram 3xSRM6 into that. Maybe it will be a nice striker.

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ECM+SRMs? Yes please. Looks like the A variant is the winner here, with the power of face laser.

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I'm interested in this now, though it looks like you need to make hardpoint concessions for just about any loadout. The D version has CT points though, so it'll let you carry a total of 8 energy if you use the A left arms. Still, disappointing that I can't load a mech with this speed with SRM's.

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My god, 6 SRM's and 5 MLAS. Would run hot as hell, but the thought of it excites me greatly.

I think the best of the bunch is the Dog, but the HellBringer and it's ECM sounds interesting. Thoughts?

#2 ApolloKaras

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 04:15 PM

The mist lynx has way too much fixed equipment to make it viable. 6 jj's fixed across the entire mech, and a bap... At stock its only 3.5 tons of armor. At least free up a little so I can squeeze max armor in there without eating into the already small pod space.

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 04:22 PM

The Meth Lynx looks to be in a bad spot. You can't take ECM without giving up half of your hardpoints, and if you choose hardpoints then you don't get the Magic Jesus Box...

#4 Hans Von Lohman

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 04:24 PM

Don't get all excited about the Hellbringer and ECM. The Hellbringer is notable for having default paper thin armor, and doesn't have any weight saving Endo Steel or FF armor either.

Armor can be upped of course, but that won't leave a lot of pod space.

On the other hand, it doesn't have 5 tons of jump jets that you cannot take out, so there is that.

And in case anybody is blind the Hellbringer hero mech has "Hiddleston" written below the cockpit in homage to both Marvel Comics and the fact that the IS name for the mech is "Loki".

Besides, the Hellbringer is the Clan Warhammer by another name. They just moved the MG's to the right side and the energy weapons to the left, and mushed the two small lasers into a single, 3rd medium laser.

Edited by Hans Von Lohman, 17 September 2014 - 04:31 PM.


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Posted 17 September 2014 - 04:24 PM

Excellent post, good collection of data in one page instead of a carousel, good comments.

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 04:26 PM

View PostHans Von Lohman, on 17 September 2014 - 04:24 PM, said:

Don't get all excited about the Hellbringer and ECM. The Hellbringer is notable for having default paper thin armor, and doesn't have any weight saving Endo Steel or FF armor either.

Armor can be upped of course, but that won't leave a lot of pod space.

23.5 tons of poopspace (max armor) seems manageable.

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 04:29 PM

I wonder if anyone will notice or speculate how the Mad Dog will look without its missiles like the T wolf :X when you remove its weapons xD

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 04:31 PM

I hope we get an extra arm pod for the Mad Dog so that we can make the dual gauss C configuration :)

Sure, you can make it with the Hellbringer too, and it might work okay despite the paper armor.

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 04:34 PM

View PostCarrie Harder, on 17 September 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:

23.5 tons of poopspace (max armor) seems manageable.


And better than the Gargoyle.

I wonder if the ECM will compensate for the extra armour on the Gargoyle.

The Gargoyle, you can cram 8 MLAS into that, and a theoretical 12 extra heatsinks (theoretical because i'm too lazy to theorycraft in Smurfy).

That's an impressive ghost heat fueled alpha, but I can't see it doing lasers better than the WarHawk, and I can't see it brawling better than the MadCat. Hmmm.

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 04:46 PM

View PostHans Von Lohman, on 17 September 2014 - 04:24 PM, said:

Don't get all excited about the Hellbringer and ECM. The Hellbringer is notable for having default paper thin armor, and doesn't have any weight saving Endo Steel or FF armor either.

Armor can be upped of course, but that won't leave a lot of pod space.

On the other hand, it doesn't have 5 tons of jump jets that you cannot take out, so there is that.

And in case anybody is blind the Hellbringer hero mech has "Hiddleston" written below the cockpit in homage to both Marvel Comics and the fact that the IS name for the mech is "Loki".

Besides, the Hellbringer is the Clan Warhammer by another name. They just moved the MG's to the right side and the energy weapons to the left, and mushed the two small lasers into a single, 3rd medium laser.


If you strip one arm, you can get 25 tons, which is plenty for ERMLs and a piece of Dakka.

View PostKiiyor, on 17 September 2014 - 04:34 PM, said:


And better than the Gargoyle.

I wonder if the ECM will compensate for the extra armour on the Gargoyle.

The Gargoyle, you can cram 8 MLAS into that, and a theoretical 12 extra heatsinks (theoretical because i'm too lazy to theorycraft in Smurfy).

That's an impressive ghost heat fueled alpha, but I can't see it doing lasers better than the WarHawk, and I can't see it brawling better than the MadCat. Hmmm.


According to SSW...UAC20/Gauss/LB20x w/4 tons of ammo and 4 ERMLs works with slightly stripped legs (60 armour).

Downgrade to a UAC10 and put 6 ERMLs, with the D CT. Laser boating is the other option, but lack of low heat options does hurt it.

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 04:46 PM

Well the Ice Ferret is my favorite of the bunch. It's really the first legit "light hunter" medium to hit MWO (sorry you ain't a light hunter at ~100kph), especially once it hits 142.5kph tweaked. I am really just nervous about how large it will be. Bluntly, PGI has a horrible track record with sizing medium mechs.

Mad Dog looks to be the most fierce, though hill humping will be 100% impossible. That A variant, man. Imagine being in a Spider or Jenner, coming around the corner and this guy has 6x SSRM4+A hot. Instant death maybe.

Edited by Kevjack, 17 September 2014 - 04:47 PM.


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Posted 17 September 2014 - 04:48 PM

View PostCarrie Harder, on 17 September 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:

23.5 tons of poopspace (max armor) seems manageable.


Yes, and the max armor Summoner has 20.5 tons of pod space, including 1 more default heat sink, and 5 jump jets, yet people call it bad.

The lack of FF armor and Endo steel means that the Hellbringer is short about 4.4 tons of weight it could have saved.

Edited by Hans Von Lohman, 17 September 2014 - 04:49 PM.


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Posted 17 September 2014 - 04:51 PM

View PostHans Von Lohman, on 17 September 2014 - 04:24 PM, said:


And in case anybody is blind the Hellbringer hero mech has "Hiddleston" written below the cockpit in homage to both Marvel Comics and the fact that the IS name for the mech is "Loki".



caught that.

Loki looks the be the favorite for the main pack, ECM aside, its no Timberwolf. but its probably going to outpace the summoner.
also...it looks sexy...and...comeon...HELLBRINGER

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 05:01 PM

That Mad dog is going to MURDER so many people

The A Variant is pretty much good to go right out of the gate.

*GIGGLE*

Though if I am being honest, I am most looking forward to the koshi and fenris. ECM arm doesn't bother me as you can still run a x2 srm6's and a medium. Very commando.

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 05:02 PM

Mad Dog looks like a Dragon's hotter, taller sister. B) It has one big nose (torso) in profile looks like...

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 05:04 PM

View PostTELEFORCE, on 17 September 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

I hope we get an extra arm pod for the Mad Dog so that we can make the dual gauss C configuration :)

They need to do this. Really. I don't care for dual gauss but i make an exception for the Mad Dog C.

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 05:11 PM

So what is the future of the Man O'War , that pore thing is such a bad idea when compared to the perfection that is the timberwolf and 5 tons under, it's as fast, more armored , can't jump, and much less weapons. It's the awsome of the clans.... only some god level quirks might save it.
Also I found that the summoner now with it's prime arms quirks for 10% cooldown reduction and weapon cooldown modules is not a bad idea...

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 05:15 PM

View PostHans Von Lohman, on 17 September 2014 - 04:24 PM, said:

Don't get all excited about the Hellbringer and ECM. The Hellbringer is notable for having default paper thin armor, and doesn't have any weight saving Endo Steel or FF armor either.

Armor can be upped of course, but that won't leave a lot of pod space.

On the other hand, it doesn't have 5 tons of jump jets that you cannot take out, so there is that.

And in case anybody is blind the Hellbringer hero mech has "Hiddleston" written below the cockpit in homage to both Marvel Comics and the fact that the IS name for the mech is "Loki".

Besides, the Hellbringer is the Clan Warhammer by another name. They just moved the MG's to the right side and the energy weapons to the left, and mushed the two small lasers into a single, 3rd medium laser.


The Hellbringer won't have an issue with Pod Space. It starts with 320 armor which means it looks like PGI deleted the A-pods and used that weight for armor. This however still leaves 26.5 tons of pod space available. ECM takes up 1 ton so your left with over 25 tons for armor weapons and DHS. That is plenty.

The only possible issue I see is if PGI decides to "fix" the ECM, Active Probe and TC to the chassis as that is potentially alot of wasted tonnage as I would rather strip the Active probe and TC and add in extra DHS. However, they aren't fixed in the TRO so if PGI stays true to lore we should be able to strip this stuff out. Still even if you do fix all that to the chassis, you would still have 21.5 tons for weapons and DHS. Drop in 2 C-ER LL, 3 C-ER ML and maybe a SRM6 with a couple tons of ammo and you still have enough pod space to add 7 DHS bringing your total up to 20. Drop the DHS count down to 19 and your at max armor which I believe is 352 for a 65 ton mech. That isn't a bad amount of armor and firepower for a mech that runs at 89 kph while under cover of constant ECM.

In any case, really can't wait until Smufy's gets these mechs up on their site. I can kind of manually build them out but it is hard to visualize DPS and heat without seeing it on a sight like Smurfy's.

View PostCarrioncrows, on 17 September 2014 - 05:01 PM, said:

That Mad dog is going to MURDER so many people

The A Variant is pretty much good to go right out of the gate.

*GIGGLE*

Though if I am being honest, I am most looking forward to the koshi and fenris. ECM arm doesn't bother me as you can still run a x2 srm6's and a medium. Very commando.


I think there is a very good chance that the Mad Dog will be substandard despite the potential of its hard point configurations. Its shape means it is going to likely either have a very vulnerable CT or extremely vulnerable STs and its tiny arms aren't going to be able to protect squat. Based on the shape, I think the Mad Dog is going to be very easy to kill or cripple.

As far as the Koshi, I am not seeing it being all that great. For an ECM mech, the Spider is hands down better offering near the same firepower in a much faster package and without ECM well it is a 25 ton mech which is going to be outclassed most of the 35 tonners out there.

Fenris looks to be a bit better but if I had to be honest, when clan weapons being so hot, I think any decent amount of firepower is going to make it too hot to really be effective and while mounting that huge 360XL you just don't have the pod space to offset the heat with DHS. Still I am really going to have to build it out on Smurfy's and see it in action to make a real judgement call as I can kinda see some rough potential (that same 360XL is going to make it agile as hell for example).

Edited by Viktor Drake, 17 September 2014 - 05:27 PM.


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Posted 17 September 2014 - 05:20 PM

View PostNik Reaper, on 17 September 2014 - 05:11 PM, said:

So what is the future of the Man O'War , that pore thing is such a bad idea when compared to the perfection that is the timberwolf and 5 tons under, it's as fast, more armored , can't jump, and much less weapons. It's the awsome of the clans.... only some god level quirks might save it.


I'm tempted by it, I am, but I fear that it just doesn't have the hardpoints to bring anything to the table other than a slight survivability increase over the MadCat, and that's not considering hitboxes. The WarMan does appear... portly next to the Cat.

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 05:24 PM

Sorry if I missed this somewhere, but do the Prime variants of all the Wave 2 preorder 'mechs get a 30% C-Bill bonus?





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