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[Strum Wealh]

Mavairo, on 20 September 2014 - 06:49 PM, said:

If we can get one loaded with enough ballistics... 2 AC10s and 2 AC20s will be one of my preferreds...

The likely variants are:

• KGC-000: ballistics in both arms, energy in the Right Torso, Missiles in the Left Torso
  
• KGC-0000: ballistics in both arms, energy in the Right Torso, Missiles in the Left Torso
  
• KGC-010: ballistics in both arms, energy in both side-torsos, missiles in both side-torsos

The KGC-000b (ballistics in both arms, energy in the Right Torso, Missiles in the Left Torso) is a SLDF Royals exclusive model; PGI hasn't introduced SLDF Royals variants for any other 'Mechs, so they probably won't do so for the KGC.
The Clanbuster variant (the KGC-001) isn't available until 3052, and the next variant after that (the KGC-005) isn't available until 3062; it is unlikely that PGI would introduce those variants early.

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Bront, on 21 September 2014 - 08:09 AM, said:

Did you see it compaired to the Atlas? It wasn't up to that mech's shoulders.

Saxie, on 21 September 2014 - 08:15 AM, said:

I'm worried about the scaling in game. Look at the Quickdraw, T-Bolt, Kintaro, and now most recently the Mad Dog (where it looks like the T-Wolfs legs were cut off and added to Mad Dog's upper chassis) can make or break chassis.

Russ already confirmed here that that segment of the video is not indicative of the scaling of the KGC.

Edited by Strum Wealh, 21 September 2014 - 08:18 AM.

[Bront]

Strum Wealh, on 21 September 2014 - 08:17 AM, said:

Russ already confirmed here that that segment of the video is not indicative of the scaling of the KGC.

Was unaware, thanks. Annoyed, but then, not surprised.

[Zordicron]

I want to make these comments, mostly towards PGI-

Model guys: I can also see potential for clipping issues. HOWEVER, IMO it would be better to limit torso twist like a Stalker then to make the mech crazy wider, or alter Alex ultra-well received artwork. Think of it this way- players in general feel the Awesome is too wide for it's own good, not just because of source art comparisons, but because of game play issues.

It would be better, IMO, to make the Crab NOT uber wide(as a balancing factor for the firepower if that is a consideration) and make it have solid performance in dmg soak ability/tanking. Then, use limited torso twist(also reduces need to modify art for clipping arms if that comes up) and quirk system to balance out the mech. Worried about double AC20 100 ton mech? Put cooldown quirks on the ballistics then, DON'T handicap the mech with bad hitbox instead. Maybe light or medium chassis can use a "glass cannon" approach for high firepower ability, but no assault ever should be held to that. Much better to use movment or actual weapon/hardpoint quirks to keep it in line for assaults.

It should also be kept in mind, Torso Twisting, basically one of very few player "actively controlled" defensive piloting techniques will be nigh impossible with a KC anyway because of the dimensions front to back. It's like a Stalker(in the front to back comparison) where yes you can twist to shield a side, but it presents a larger target then, and dmg will not spread at all- hence twisting is of limited value compared to something like an Atlas. So KC needs hitbox design to spread dmg quite well from CT to ST and most importantly, those arms.




So, TL;DR- dont make KC ultrawide to allow twist range, better to limit twist like a Stalker and keep model proportions in line with artwork and also for gameplay reasons. Hitbox need to be balanced very well because torso twist as a defensive technique is limited in value compared to other assault chassis, meaning more often players will have to rely on the mech's armor and hitbox to spread dmg for survivability. Use quirk system to keep mechs firepower ability in check, NOT handicaps with hitbox/mech models.

We want a tanky mech that performs armor wise like the artwork implies, with good dmg spread and balance it using quirks instead. A 100 ton glass cannon will fail miserably.

[Bishop Steiner]

Reno Blade, on 21 September 2014 - 05:01 AM, said:

Aye,
all these packs are preorder packs, because you preorder them before the mechs are released for CBills.

• Atlas AS7-S: Have purchased a Founders, Phoenix, or Clan Collection.
  
• King Crab: Have purchased a Legendary, Overlord, Masakari, or Man 'o War Collection

All Founder, Phoenix and Clan packs are preorders.

Legendary, Overloard, Masakari and Manowar are "top-tier" packs.
Saber pack was just an add-on and you only could get it with a Phoenix pack, so that one doesnt matter

http://www.mwomercs.com/clans

not a pre-order.

What I could not remember is if the Founders or PHX packs, similarly existed for a while after the actual content infusion. On my Founders, I got my stuff pretty much right away.

kapusta11, on 21 September 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:

This one looks better, shorter legs and no torso twist problems.

agreed. I think the STs/Shoulders still need to stick out a little more, but it seems more mechanically sound.

[Bishop Steiner]

Strum Wealh, on 21 September 2014 - 08:17 AM, said:

The likely variants are:

• KGC-000: ballistics in both arms, energy in the Right Torso, Missiles in the Left Torso
  
• KGC-0000: ballistics in both arms, energy in the Right Torso, Missiles in the Left Torso
  
• KGC-010: ballistics in both arms, energy in both side-torsos, missiles in both side-torsos

The KGC-000b (ballistics in both arms, energy in the Right Torso, Missiles in the Left Torso) is a SLDF Royals exclusive model; PGI hasn't introduced SLDF Royals variants for any other 'Mechs, so they probably won't do so for the KGC.

The Clanbuster variant (the KGC-001) isn't available until 3052, and the next variant after that (the KGC-005) isn't available until 3062; it is unlikely that PGI would introduce those variants early.

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Russ already confirmed here that that segment of the video is not indicative of the scaling of the KGC.

http://mwomercs.com/...80#entry3745680
http://mwomercs.com/...04#entry3747104

apparently I was channeling my inner Strum, yesterday!

[Reno Blade]

Yes the Clan wave 1 is nearly a year since the first start, but there should be no difference if you bought it now or next week or before the last day.
The criteria for the bonus is that you own it before a certain date.
In case of the IS mechs, it should be October/December.

• Centurion CN9-AH: October 21st, 2014.
  
• Atlas AS7-S: October 21st, 2014.
  
• King Crab: December 16th, 2014.
  
• Mad Dog: Starting September 23rd, 2014, and every following business day at approximately 4PM PDT / 7PM EDT / 11PM UTC.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Jin Ma, on 20 September 2014 - 01:21 PM, said:

So this is MWO's marauder as HG wont let us have the real one

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Onmyoudo, on 20 September 2014 - 02:58 PM, said:

Because it's super wide. From the scale there it looks like an Atlas and a half? Imagine an Awesome, but with another Awesome duct-taped flat to its head and all the damage from front or down goes to the same CT. That's a King Crab.

wide - death

Thats the way it was for the awesome since forever

[Joe Mallad]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 21 September 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:

So this is MWO's marauder as HG wont let us have the real one

if we get a Marauder and it looks like that concept there, I'll be a happy little boy lol

[Bishop Steiner]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 21 September 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:

So this is MWO's marauder as HG wont let us have the real one

Marauder II mebbe.

About 25 tons too fat, 20 kph too slow and armed way wrong to be a Marauder!

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 September 2014 - 10:23 AM, said:

Marauder II mebbe.

About 25 tons too fat, 20 kph too slow and armed way wrong to be a Marauder!

Well one of the pics WAS a marauder was why I said that lol

[DrSlamastika]

Very nice job on design guys, but I hope that green camo with mouth will not be our new special KING CRAB . . . .

[MATRAKA14]

The walk animation must feel powerful/heavy, we don't want to see them walk like stalkers o dires ...

[Keira RAVEN McKenna]

its hit box for the cockpit will have to be really small. As a prolific head shotter I know having this ones cockpit in what looks like dead center of mass is asking for a few unintentional headshots.

Not complaining, but I DO enjoy the difficulty of the challenge of cockpit shots.

[Sarlic]

As a atlas freak i cant wait for that Atlas.

[Bishop Steiner]

AH Keira_NZ, on 21 September 2014 - 10:53 AM, said:

its hit box for the cockpit will have to be really small. As a prolific head shotter I know having this ones cockpit in what looks like dead center of mass is asking for a few unintentional headshots.

Not complaining, but I DO enjoy the difficulty of the challenge of cockpit shots.

you stay away from my cockpit!

[AztecD]

i dont care if its shorter than the atlas, just let me run the double ac20 in the face of some clanner and im all good

[Joe Mallad]

AztecD, on 21 September 2014 - 11:05 AM, said:

i dont care if its shorter than the atlas, just let me run the double ac20 in the face of some clanner and im all good

this this and more THIS!!!

[Krinkov]

Strum Wealh, on 21 September 2014 - 08:17 AM, said:

The likely variants are:

• KGC-000: ballistics in both arms, energy in the Right Torso, Missiles in the Left Torso
  
• KGC-0000: ballistics in both arms, energy in the Right Torso, Missiles in the Left Torso
  
• KGC-010: ballistics in both arms, energy in both side-torsos, missiles in both side-torsos

The KGC-000b (ballistics in both arms, energy in the Right Torso, Missiles in the Left Torso) is a SLDF Royals exclusive model; PGI hasn't introduced SLDF Royals variants for any other 'Mechs, so they probably won't do so for the KGC.

The Clanbuster variant (the KGC-001) isn't available until 3052, and the next variant after that (the KGC-005) isn't available until 3062; it is unlikely that PGI would introduce those variants early.

I'm thinking they will increase the hardpoints in the two identical models. Something like:

• KGC-000: ballistics in both arms, two energy in the right torso, two missiles in the left torso
  
• KGC-0000: two ballistics in both arms, energy in the Right Torso, Missiles in the Left Torso
  
• KGC-010: ballistics in both arms, energy in both side-torsos, missiles in both side-torsos

[Joe Mallad]

Krinkov, on 21 September 2014 - 11:18 AM, said:

I'm thinking they will increase the hardpoints in the two identical models. Something like:

• KGC-000: ballistics in both arms, two energy in the right torso, two missiles in the left torso
  
• KGC-0000: two ballistics in both arms, energy in the Right Torso, Missiles in the Left Torso
  
• KGC-010: ballistics in both arms, energy in both side-torsos, missiles in both side-torsos

yeah and I'd buy all 3 lol