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[Johnny Reb]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 21 September 2014 - 05:43 PM, said:

according to the rules guys, As Ive sent an email asking this, if you could win a game by this, like in conquest it is completely viable gameplay. IF youre on say skirmish and he's just being an *******; report him as its bannable

Doubt anyone would be banned for this. Maybe a warning but ban, no way unless he got a crap ton of complaints.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

That Dawg, on 21 September 2014 - 05:50 PM, said:

I think the problem lies with everyone it upsets.

IF we could see each others stats, then yes, I might believe thats the reason they do it......

But, we are unable to see each others stats, so I can say I have a one gaillizinty to one kill to death ratio...
and even with my lame shop skills I could make it look like whatever I claim.

nope,they shut down for a million reasons who knows, who cares




And HOW is anyone to prove its not a game plan.
oh lord...shutting down, waiting to ambush and drop arty, then how is a screen shot going to prove it?
I guess i could take a screen shot of someone shutdown for heat and claim they were holding up the game?

I emailed in also out of curiosity and probably monday get a reply

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It's not really against the rules. If someone does this repeatedly to the point where it starts griefing other players, we will investigate further of course. Otherwise, it's a perfectly sound strategy to shut down and hide if it'll net a win.

Direct quote from Reppu - so no; its not against the rules. Guess you have to deal with it

Blueduck, on 21 September 2014 - 05:55 PM, said:

TX for the info and outreach all.

Good post Levi, I am referring to someone who does participate and then when it is clear we lost runs into somewhere impossible to find and then shuts down with no intention of ever powering up again.

not impossible; use heat vision - tho on terra therma that night be a *****

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 21 September 2014 - 06:02 PM.

[Crunk Prime]

K/D ratio is all the matters. How can you show your skills as a true mechwarrior with a pathetically low ratio?

[xhrit]

Blueduck, on 21 September 2014 - 05:19 PM, said:

Your thoughts on the subject?

Personally this is the one of two things that absolutely brings my blood to a boil. After a long hard fight I get tremendously annoyed at that one mech that cannot let the other team win a fair well fought victory.

He runs to the corner or into a crevis and shuts down so his K/D ratio won't be change.

What are your thoughts on the matter because for me nothing makes me angrier as I view it as very disrespectful to the other team that played a hard game and won fair and square. Also, having to wait around is really annoying.

If you can watch this video and tell me that I didn't play as hard a game as I could, then I will consent that running away is "not fair" and next time I am the last one left alive I will stop trying, give up, and "let the other team win".



Instead of running out the timer doing everything I can to hurt the enemy, which is what I normally do.










Why would I do this, you ask?

Because of the 1 in a million game that I am the last one alive, alone and outnumberd against a whole lance of enemy mechs, and I manage to kite them around the map for 10 minutes, and kill them all, with 20 seconds on the clock.



I would have never won this match if I just give up when I am outnumbered.

Edited by xhrit, 22 September 2014 - 12:42 PM.

[Joanna Conners]

Blueduck, on 21 September 2014 - 05:55 PM, said:

TX for the info and outreach all.

Good post Levi, I am referring to someone who does participate and then when it is clear we lost runs into somewhere impossible to find and then shuts down with no intention of ever powering up again.

I have done precisely what Levi said maybe 3-4 times since Closed Beta. I put in a good fight, lost a leg or most/all of my weapons, then powered down right in front of the enemy. Once someone walked right up to my stripped Atlas, then walked away.

Twice when I have done this I have been viciously attacked, ridiculed, name-called, insulted, and generally flamed by macho-chest thumping male pilots. It gives me no incentive to listen to any pleas for me to end the match sooner when I am treated in such a way. Particularly when topped the damage for my entire team, was the last standing, and evaded an enemy team too silly to see me power down right in front of them.

People call it trolling, but I only see my own game-play being trolled. Again, if the enemy team is so easily out-witted then I don't think they "deserve" a kill. It has nothing to do with my k/d ratio. I could not care about that stat in the slightest.

If someone barely participates and then runs off and hides, yes, I would agree they are being cowardly. However, if someone brings a heck of a fight and then out-wits the enemy, I commend them.

If someone powering down offends someone, they should try asking politely first. Twice when I have done this I had every intention of powering back up and engaging the enemy in a last hurrah, but when I am brutally trolled by boys with surging testosterone levels, I am inclined to sit there.

As I said, I have done this maybe four times since Closed Beta, but normally I die much faster than my PUGS because I choose to fight aggressively. I have not done it since I found out it was reportable, but I think it is part of the game and people should not be so impatient that ten minutes makes them scream in rage at women they do not know in an online game.

I hope this feedback helps.

[Johnny Reb]

Really, I have only shut down and hid in three mechs that I remember, Kitfox so easy to lose all your arm weps, Atlas D-DC same once I am a stick, and a long time ago my dragon flame when I lost my arms. Other than that I fight to the end.

Only once I got grief, that was in a kitfox unarmed and last alive. I shut down and the complainers complained, I said I had no weps so find me. Then my team gave my position away. I then relocated between some boxes(it was forest colony) and shut down again. Then they gave my location again but they could not find me so my teammates started the hotter/colder method till they found me. The hiding aspect became just as fun as the match for me. I was loling in chat the entire time. I also didn't report anyone cause I find that stupid for this type of offense.

Edited by Johnny Reb, 21 September 2014 - 06:31 PM.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Thanks for the feedback xhrit and demonia.

I don't think what you did was unreasonable xhrit, there was only a minute left after all. I don't do that as I prefer to let them kill me if they find me but its not like you made people wait on you for any considerable amount of time.

I hear what you're saying demonia but I frequently top 1,300 damage in my direwolf. Two matches ago I pulled in 7 kills with a 1000 damage. I never shut down; I feel if I'm in the game I should play even if it means losing.

So I guess my question to you is why would you even power down in the first place?

[Johnny Reb]

Blueduck, on 21 September 2014 - 06:30 PM, said:

Thanks for the feedback xhrit and demonia.

I don't think what you did was unreasonable xhrit, there was only a minute left after all. I don't do that as I prefer to let them kill me if they find me but its not like you made people wait on you for any considerable amount of time.

I hear what you're saying demonia but I frequently top 1,300 damage in my direwolf. Two matches ago I pulled in 7 kills with a 1000 damage. I never shut down; I feel if I'm in the game I should play even if it means losing.

So I guess my question to you is why would you even power down in the first place?

If your team has the numbers or close and you have no weps left or anything to help other than a one/two shot target. Why not? I have survived a few matches that way with the victory.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

I completely agree Jonny Reb, if there is a chance you can win by powering down do it. But if you're just going to make everyone wait for 8 minutes so you can avoid the loss that is just rude.

I think we're saying the same thing though.

[Johnny Reb]

Blueduck, on 21 September 2014 - 06:35 PM, said:

I completely agree Jonny Reb, if there is a chance you can win by powering down do it. But if you're just going to make everyone wait for 8 minutes so you can avoid the loss that is just rude.

I think we're saying the same thing though.

Well if I am in a group I will definitely just die so we can launch again. My hiding story was a pug and I really don't care about pug's time. Guess I am a **** like that.

[Mystere]

MischiefSC, on 21 September 2014 - 05:23 PM, said:

It's reportable. Report it and move on.

If the player was involved in the fight, no it is not.

[Johnny Reb]

Mystere, on 21 September 2014 - 06:44 PM, said:

If the player was involved in the fight, no it is not.

Either way, if it was reportable it is a lesser offense than a tk in my eyes and I would imagine in pgi's as well.

Edited by Johnny Reb, 21 September 2014 - 06:47 PM.

[MischiefSC]

There is a difference between powering down and hiding to avoid being killed because it's in Conquest and you're going to win if you don't get caught/killed. It's another on Assault/Skirmish to play until you're damaged then run off and hide in hopes of not being killed.

The first is a tactic for winning. The second is sandbagging your team and griefing the other team and is reportable.

If you're winning, sure. Do what you have to do to win. If you're losing you still fight to the bitter end. The rest of your team did.

[Johnny Reb]

MischiefSC, on 21 September 2014 - 06:48 PM, said:

There is a difference between powering down and hiding to avoid being killed because it's in Conquest and you're going to win if you don't get caught/killed. It's another on Assault/Skirmish to play until you're damaged then run off and hide in hopes of not being killed.

The first is a tactic for winning. The second is sandbagging your team and griefing the other team and is reportable.

If you're winning, sure. Do what you have to do to win. If you're losing you still fight to the bitter end. The rest of your team did.

So what is your stance of shutting down after your mech is useless?

[-Vompo-]

Being powered down for more than 1 minute in any one round should count as dying. After all wouldn't the commanders shoot the pilot for cowardice (or atleast arrest) when/if he/she returns to base after allowing the rest of the company to die and running away and hiding?

[Crunk Prime]

Johnny Reb, on 21 September 2014 - 06:53 PM, said:

So what is your stance of shutting down after your mech is useless?

Perma-bannable offense and the player should be flogged.

[Pat Kell]

I just don't understand the reasoning behind doing this other than griefing people. I understand if it's conquest but what good is a KDR if your W/L is crap and I understand if you're weaponless as long as once the rest of your team dies, go out and get killed. Just go die and if you're careful you might be able to get a kill or two....just don't understand it.

Edited by Pat Kell, 21 September 2014 - 07:16 PM.

[Thunder Child]

I've been in a Kitfox that lost both arms about 2 mins into the fight. Why? Because I was too aggressive. However, because it was Conquest, I then spent the entire match running around Capping points, I was the last one alive, and we won on points (Props to the Zombie Cent that led them on a chase in the opposite direction). A Mech is never Useless.

I've had three Kills in a one legged Locust (leg fell off due to fall damage after it took a Gauss to the knee). A Mech is NEVER Useless.

I've managed to absorb enough damage in a Stick Atlas DDC (OMG, SHOOT THE ATLAS!!!) that my three crippled teammates could take down the remaining enemies. A MECH IS NEVER USELESS.

Am I a good Pilot? NO. I am not. But I have a solid W/L ratio, because I will die for the team, if necessary, and I will fight to the bitter end, even if I have to bravely run away, so that we can win.
Also, a lancemate of mine powered down in a badly damaged stalker, almost no armor to speak of, but most of his weapons active. He took down three of them after they wandered past.
So, the point I am trying to make is that, there is always a way to help the team. Even if all seems lost. And besides, if you can nab another two or three kills before you go, that's bonus C-bills that you wouldn't have had. Unless your invisible K/D is more important. If so, go play CoD, or some other Free For All shooter.

[MischiefSC]

Johnny Reb, on 21 September 2014 - 06:53 PM, said:

So what is your stance of shutting down after your mech is useless?

Good question. On Skirmish it's a pretty cheap thing to do but in the last, what, year I've been playing Skirmish I've only had someone survive the whole match that way like 4 or 5 times and that's out of a good 1k skirmish matches.

On Assault/Conquest where the other team has other solutions it's still cheap but at least you're not sandbagging and have no potential to impact the match. I've had matches on Assault where we capped down to the final sliver then left a damaged guy at the enemy base and the rest of us spent 6 minutes hunting a guy who still had weapons and some armor left and still ran and hid. We killed him btw. He didn't even try to fight; he just ran like a frightened little girl. Some of us were nearly dead. He could have gotten a couple of kills, instead you could just hear him screaming and crying and flapping his hands in helpless, cowardly terror at his pretend mech getting shot in a game. I genuinely believe that guy kicked my opinion of humanity in general down a peg.

The issue is 'are you intentionally carrying less than your teammates did to save your KDR'.

So is it cool? No, not really. Would I report someone with no weapons who powered down? No, not sure it would be valid. The point is 'are you avoiding core gameplay', as in are you fighting to the end if at all possible.

[Rick Rawlings]

MischiefSC, on 21 September 2014 - 06:48 PM, said:

There is a difference between powering down and hiding to avoid being killed because it's in Conquest and you're going to win if you don't get caught/killed. It's another on Assault/Skirmish to play until you're damaged then run off and hide in hopes of not being killed.

The first is a tactic for winning. The second is sandbagging your team and griefing the other team and is reportable.

If you're winning, sure. Do what you have to do to win. If you're losing you still fight to the bitter end. The rest of your team did.

Yes, we know, it's reportable. Everything is reportable by clicking the e-mail link. They've already said they are not going to do anything about it for all the same reasons already mentioned. Even if they are just doing it to cheez you off, your enjoyment doesn't trump theirs. Consider it psychological warfare, the fifth pillar of MWO.