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[RussianWolf]

This is been said in other ways before, but as the system is now. 95% of mechs in the game have nothing that makes them remotely unique.

All the mechs are just a collection of hardpoints with some minor quirks to differentiate them (high mount hardpoints vs low mount, torso twist range, etc.)

Most players and nearly all comp players it seems will load the exact same weapons in just about all mechs. If it fits, AC20, if it doesn't Gauss. Squeeze 2 or 3 in if possible. The more the merrier. Add some PPCs. There, done.

Light mech? 2 PPCs. Everything else is "Lame".

And so it goes.

I would love to see the restricted hardpoints from MW4 brought in (as unpopular as I know that those are around here). I think it is the only way that you can really make all the mechs have a place in the system and not become cookie cutters as much. I think it would also go a good way to preventing the pinpoint alpha problem that we currently see.

I going to go back to the original argument for this as it is still very valid in my opinion. The Pult K2 should not be able to replace machine guns with AC20s or Gauss. Those slots shouldn't be able to go above AC5s (really AC2s in my opinion), The Jager should be able to carry larger guns. Most lights shouldn't be able to carry a PPC at all, much less 2 of them.

Though I have to admit that I love when people spectate me in game and call my builds "Lame" because I'm not running the "super-Optimized" Standards and when the match ends I am either in the middle or high end of scores. No easy mode for me thanks.

[Kiiyor]

Thus far, i'm not sold on this, though the idea has merit.

The issue is this: bad mechs. Some mechs are already bad. If you limit customization, you'll make them worse (ESPECIALLY lighter mechs, which have enough trouble competing with heavies and assaults as it is).

I'd hate to be playing a game where the only viable mechs were those that could mount PPC's and Gauss.

[Joseph Mallan]

RussianWolf, on 22 September 2014 - 06:30 AM, said:

They taste like glass to me





Yeah... I realize what I just said!

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 22 September 2014 - 06:41 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Kiiyor, on 22 September 2014 - 06:35 AM, said:

Thus far, i'm not sold on this, though the idea has merit.

The issue is this: bad mechs. Some mechs are already bad. If you limit customization, you'll make them worse (ESPECIALLY lighter mechs, which have enough trouble competing with heavies and assaults as it is).

I'd hate to be playing a game where the only viable mechs were those that could mount PPC's and Gauss.

Hey, my Griffin is grape flavored.

[Kiiyor]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 September 2014 - 06:37 AM, said:

Hey, my Griffin is grape flavored.

My Yager is DAKKA flavoured.

[NextGame]

I try not to lick my mechs, so not sure about their flavour.

Overall I prefer the game to have as much variance and customisation as possible, anything that takes away from that (for example ghost heat), is a bad thing imo.

[UnsafePilot]

A large part of the mechwarrior franchise appeal for me has always been tweaking the loadouts. I'm against limiting loadout options for what appears to be the sake of forcing people to use the less popular weapons. I also can't imagine it changing much on the battle field; The people who just load meta weapons into every chassis would simply swap to mech's that supported those same loadouts.

[Arete]

I would much rather see mechs get some flavour in the way of perks. The Awesome for example, the energy perk made it unique.

Think things like:
HBK-4P gets a bit extra range when using medium lasers in the hunch.
jagermechs gets improved ballistic speed on AC2/AC5.

We need more things like that which makes mechs feel unique.

[Kiiyor]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 September 2014 - 06:37 AM, said:

They taste like glass to me

[MeiSooHaityu]

I guess that depends on your point of view. Most mechs are pretty unique with different hard point locations, shapes of chassis, quirks, movement (speed and range of motion, etc...).

Plus, modifying a chassis to do what you want adds unique "flavor" which is why people share Smurfy loadouts on the forum all the time.

It might not hurt to add a stock mech lobby (which it sounds like the OP really wants), but overall, I think there is enough uniqueness to the mechs.

[Kiiyor]

MeiSooHaityu, on 22 September 2014 - 06:42 AM, said:

It might not hurt to add a stock mech lobby (which it sounds like the OP really wants), but overall, I think there is enough uniqueness to the mechs.

*Drools*

Sorry, my brain trailed off reading everything after that little piece of awesome idea (that everyone has probably already been clamoring for)

Have you been drinking too? Cheap port, the great muse. I'm impressed with my ability to type.

[EgoSlayer]

Kiiyor, on 22 September 2014 - 06:35 AM, said:

Thus far, i'm not sold on this, though the idea has merit.

The issue is this: bad mechs. Some mechs are already bad. If you limit customization, you'll make them worse (ESPECIALLY lighter mechs, which have enough trouble competing with heavies and assaults as it is).

I'd hate to be playing a game where the only viable mechs were those that could mount PPC's and Gauss.

^ This.
Hard point sizes only further restricts the number of mechs that would be used. I have yet to see anyone proposing hard point sizes explain how this increases the variety of mechs in use since A) It would be more restrictive than the current system and thus means there are mathematically less options, and B ) It would remove a number of mechs that are used today only because they can be modified to become a desirable configuration for players.

It makes the variety significantly less.

Edited by EgoSlayer, 22 September 2014 - 07:08 AM.

[DaZur]

Mechs configurations have no flavor?

... Welcome to MW:O - Meta edition.

Keep in mind there's a segment of this community that if they had their way we'd all be be piloting nondescript beige boxes with 1000 hit-points and a single sLas.

Be thankful level heads prevail! ​

[STEF_]

There is a simply way to make every mech unic: mwo closer to BT and stock matches.
Anybody remember stock option in MW3?

It was AWESOME
(not the mech, that kind of matches. But there was the Awesome too)

[Kiiyor]

Stefka Kerensky, on 22 September 2014 - 06:51 AM, said:

There is a simply way to make every mech unic: mwo closer to BT and stock matches.
Anybody remember stock option in MW3?

It was AWESOME
(not the mech, that kind of matches. But there was the Awesome too)

Stock Mech Mondays have a red hot go at it, i'm told. From the reports around the taps, it's a jolly good time.

[Rhaythe]

NextGame, on 22 September 2014 - 06:38 AM, said:

I try not to lick my mechs, so not sure about their flavour.

How many licks does it take to get to the toosie-roll center of a Clan Mech?

(No, I don't have an answer. I just wanted an excuse to use that joke)

[Koniving]

RussianWolf, on 22 September 2014 - 06:30 AM, said:

Light mech? 2 PPCs. Everything else is "Lame".

See my second signature.

Light mechs would have a lot more reason to use something else if what is said there happened.

[Malleus011]

I'd much rather play Stock than have hardpoint limits - with the caveat that we also have a completely open, full customization Solaris mode (for those that want it).

[Koniving]

Stefka Kerensky, on 22 September 2014 - 06:51 AM, said:

There is a simply way to make every mech unic: mwo closer to BT and stock matches.
Anybody remember stock option in MW3?

Know what really carries that?
The fact that not everyone has maximum armor. I personally love it.

[STEF_]

Kiiyor, on 22 September 2014 - 06:53 AM, said:

Stock Mech Mondays have a red hot go at it, i'm told. From the reports around the taps, it's a jolly good time.

It would be great to have that option in the "selecting matches" button, so, the pilots interested in could play every day STOCK!