I Play Clan Mechs And Can Admit The Timberwolf Needs A Nerf.
#21
Posted 22 September 2014 - 06:52 PM
#22
Posted 22 September 2014 - 06:53 PM
Destructicus, on 22 September 2014 - 06:47 PM, said:
Especially from an IS perspective
You should ask an IS pilot for an IS perspective.
I find the Timber Wolf to be an excellent mech and a wonderful compliment to my star, but like any mech, a great deal still depends on pilot skill.
#23
Posted 22 September 2014 - 06:55 PM
#24
Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:00 PM
#25
Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:03 PM
Demona, on 22 September 2014 - 06:53 PM, said:
I agree with this
but the Twolf is easy mode
Good pilots will wreck face with a twolf even with a nerf.
Archon, on 22 September 2014 - 06:55 PM, said:
that would render the Inner Sphere mechs obsolete
DasaDevil, on 22 September 2014 - 07:00 PM, said:
Why don't you learn how to play the other clan mechs?
The Summoner isn't bad, it's just bad compared to the Timberwolf.
#26
Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:07 PM
The Summoner has a different role to play than the Timberwolf.
The Timberwolf is an icon. It is the face of MechWarrior. If it is a little OP (and I argue it is not) then I find nothing wrong with that either.
#27
Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:11 PM
Soon (hahahahahahha) enough, CW will come.
Once players are actively playing Clan vs IS - when it "really" matters - we'll know a lot more about balance of various mechs.
My gut says that Timber is the best mech, ton for ton, that there is - but that is not necessarily a bad thing. No matter how much you nerf, there will ALWAYS be a best mech.
#28
Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:14 PM
#29
Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:14 PM
Kirkland Langue, on 22 September 2014 - 07:11 PM, said:
Soon (hahahahahahha) enough, CW will come.
Once players are actively playing Clan vs IS - when it "really" matters - we'll know a lot more about balance of various mechs.
My gut says that Timber is the best mech, ton for ton, that there is - but that is not necessarily a bad thing. No matter how much you nerf, there will ALWAYS be a best mech.
I agree. I believe CW will change the dynamic more than some may realize.
#30
Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:14 PM
Destructicus, on 22 September 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:
I've always sided with the clans.
I love my clan mechs.
But
With the Timberwolf's speed and firepower.
It is obvious it needs a nerf.
Since the implementation of clans I've grown to resent the Timberwolf
It chokes the heavy queue and is the target of the nerfs that have hurt the rest of the clan mechs, Badder, Summoner, ect.
The worst part is that it shrugs off these nerfs and continues to dominate while my Summoner can't even jump jet properly anymore.
I would hate to see clan mechs nerfed to oblivion, but I would like to see the Timberwolf reigned in a bit. The quickest thing I can think of is hitting it with a few negative quirks, that way under preforming clan mechs like my homie the Badder wouldn't be effected.
Now we have the incoming ST heat nerf coming, but I feel like that'll do more harm than good to the underperformers.
I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion amongst my fellow clanners or not, but it's what I firmly believe.
The TImberwolf is putting the rest of our mechs in a bad spot.
Let's wait until all the Clan mechs are released for CBILLS.
Seriously, the MadCat population is most likely a result of lots of rabid MadCat fans wanting the MadCat, though being essentially a perfect weapons platform doesn't hurt either.
Once the rest of the unwashed and unpaying masses get their hands on Clan mechs, we might see some diversity - especially if the new Clan lights and Mediums are in any way competitive.
Failing that...
"PERKBUFF ALL THE IS." Russ, 2014
#32
Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:20 PM
I dont think the TBW is OP in the least and this is coming from a guy who actually dislikes to pilot one so im not going "no, plz dont nerf my favorite toy!", i just dont want MWO to start nerfing mechs only because skilled pilots do well in them...its a slippery slope.
With side torso nerf/change and a quirk pass on IS and to a lesser extent a few underperforming clan mechs, the TBW will be just fine where it currently is.
Edited by Kushko, 22 September 2014 - 07:23 PM.
#33
Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:21 PM
Roland, on 22 September 2014 - 05:59 PM, said:
So, in reality, every clan mech isn't overpowered... but when your team's got 3 TWolves, and the enemy's got none? They're in for a rough day.
That being said, even if you look at the garbage clan mechs.. The summoner for instance.
The summoner is garbage.... when compared to a TWolf. But it's really not bad at all when compared with almost any IS mech. I'd gladly drive a summoner over a QDraw, or a Dragon, or a TBolt....
And both clan mediums are really quite good. Again, the Nova really only gets under-used because the Ryoken is a total beast, not because the Nova is bad.
The Summoner is garbage compared to the Cataphract. At least with the 'phract, you can end up with a really powerful ballistic centric build that hits like a truck, as well as a range sniping type platform, and you can also turn it into a brawler.
The Summoner is jumpy...with limited hardpoints, and even more limited pod space. The one saving grace of that poor mech is that it was blessed with very good hit boxes. If it were not for that it would never be played...
#34
Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:31 PM
Destructicus, on 22 September 2014 - 07:03 PM, said:
but the Twolf is easy mode
Good pilots will wreck face with a twolf even with a nerf.
that would render the Inner Sphere mechs obsolete
Why don't you learn how to play the other clan mechs?
The Summoner isn't bad, it's just bad compared to the Timberwolf.
Why would that render IS mechs obsolete? I am especially referring to IS mechs when I say they need a buff. Apparently PGI agrees because they're buffing the Victor after the myriad of nerfs that made sucked all of the fun out of playing it.
#35
Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:33 PM
Archon, on 22 September 2014 - 07:31 PM, said:
Why would that render IS mechs obsolete? I am especially referring to IS mechs when I say they need a buff. Apparently PGI agrees because they're buffing the Victor after the myriad of nerfs that made sucked all of the fun out of playing it.
If they buff the victor back, then perhaps they will finally buff the highlander back and end up leaving the better clan mechs alone. Because those 2 in full form will end up being power houses in their own right.
#36
Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:34 PM
Archon, on 22 September 2014 - 07:31 PM, said:
Why would that render IS mechs obsolete? I am especially referring to IS mechs when I say they need a buff. Apparently PGI agrees because they're buffing the Victor after the myriad of nerfs that made sucked all of the fun out of playing it.
The Timberwolf is canonically overpowered
Even with an IS buff it'll still be as powerful.
I welcome all and any IS buffs.
I'm just saying that in the grand scheme of things the Twolf is overpowered in it's current state.
#37
Posted 22 September 2014 - 08:01 PM
#38
Posted 22 September 2014 - 08:17 PM
Destructicus, on 22 September 2014 - 07:34 PM, said:
Even with an IS buff it'll still be as powerful.
I welcome all and any IS buffs.
I'm just saying that in the grand scheme of things the Twolf is overpowered in it's current state.
What I'm saying though is that there's no reason they can't buff other mechs to be on the same level as the Timberwolf though.
#39
Posted 22 September 2014 - 08:18 PM
What other Mechs in the game have 12 hardpoints that travels as such speed with Heavy/Assault armor levels? None. Add the fact that 4 SRM6-packs are mounted high enough to shoot over berms and you get an awesome killing machine.
The Timberwolf is designed to be the Best Mech the clans can field. If you think that bit of Lore is so important that the rest of the Clans' inventory *should* be gimped, then you're not looking out for the game's best interests.
#40
Posted 22 September 2014 - 08:18 PM
So again, Clans are SUPPOSED to be much better mechs and pilots. Their technology is far superior to IS and it isn't until much later that IS mechs were up to par. Now, I do agree he Clan mechs are strong by lore...they are better in every way. What is the point in having the Clans come in and being the same or worse than the IS?????????
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