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Dimento Graven, on 26 September 2014 - 11:03 AM, said:

Nice trolling...

Yeah.... Soon™...
Yeah, yeah tell that to all the people boating AC's and pretty much at the very least "insta-maiming" any IS 'mech unlucky enough to be caught "just a bit far" from cover.

Standard BS answer by all lazy ass clan AC lovers "oh it spreads the damage, OH SO MUCH WORSE than IS AC's", yeah... right...

The second the external armor is open on any IS 'mech clan AC's are registering crits because they're boating 3 or more, and that means upwards of 15 ac shells per round, EACH with it's own chance to crit something.

Yeah, clan AC's are SO bad, that's why I see pretty much nothing but AC boats among the clans... Yeah... Right...

Keep spinning, keep spinning.

So you see under the current MM limitations and clan targeting freedom clans do have the advantage.

You see clanners boating ac's (really only the dire wolf's does this) because clan lasers run so hit, NOT because clan ac's are superior

[-Natural Selection-]

Dimento Graven, on 26 September 2014 - 11:03 AM, said:

Yeah, clan AC's are SO bad, that's why I see pretty much nothing but AC boats among the clans... Yeah... Right...

There is only one mech you can "boat" them. It does 52KPH and turns as slow as a supertanker. Also has a CT the size of a billboard.

[Dimento Graven]

Kain Thul, on 26 September 2014 - 11:11 AM, said:

I doubt very much many good players are boating clan ACs. They are basically just troll builds to irritate you with the screenshake and get inflated damage numbers with a low number of kills to show for it. The best clan builds are all laser or LRM boats.

No trolling here, dead serious.

No, I totally agree with you that the 'better' and 'more skilled' players are using builds that show off their skill, not just optimizing the 'spray and pray' tactics of the unskilled and lazy.

The problem is, there's waaaaay more unskilled and lazy players than there are skilled players, so what do we see most often when it comes to clan?

AC boats of various flavor.

And that's only 'slightly' mitigated by the introduction of the Maddog but that's only because everyone wants to level their 'Dogs up, once they've gotten them Mastered, the majority of them will be back to their AC boats...

[Brody319]

Kill one wolf, and 3 more shall take its place

[Dimento Graven]

Mickey Knoxx, on 26 September 2014 - 11:21 AM, said:

There is only one mech you can "boat" them. It does 52KPH and turns as slow as a supertanker. Also has a CT the size of a billboard.

First off, any clan 'mech chassis that can sport more than 2 AC's is boating them.

Secondly, after it's appropriately leveled 53.5kph is its max speed, and it's slow 'turning' rate only affects extremely close in fighting. To track your targets at beyond 200 meters isn't so difficult, especially as the torso twist speed is more than sufficient to keep even the fastest 'mechs targeted beyond that range.

It's large billboard sized torso is typically covered in LOTS of armor and that and the fact that losing an entire side torso doesn't kill it means it's got survivability beyond that of most IS assaults.

[hybrid black]

Der Hesse, on 26 September 2014 - 06:19 AM, said:

First i have to tell that from my perception most Clan Mechs are much deadlier then their counterparts from the IS (the nerfs of their weapons mostly hit the not so good pilots...the good ones just get even more deadly in Clan Mechs). In my Opinion thats ok, because they should be like in Battletech. But in Battletech they just had higher combatvalues which meant that you could outnumber them.

At the moment it doesnt look like we will get matches that compensate this fact for IS Players. Mostly because the matchmaker wont calculate in which side uses how many Clan Mechs and we dont have IS/Caln with superiour numbers on IS side (and i guess we will nevr see that). At this point you just ruin your stats by not playing Clan Mechs and you dont even get anything in return for beeing their cannonfodder.

So how about IS Players get higher rewards for killing or damaging Clan Mechs?
It would only be fair and award the courage of those challeenging a superior foe.

Even if it would be just temporary until we really get balance (which i doubt will be possible) it would drive away some less players that dont want to take part in the Clan vs. IS bashing that we have atm.

By the way... MWO looses even more players because of the teammatches where you have to bring big teams to not get frustratedly often rolled by 10 or 12 man teams. But thats worth another discussion.

all i see in this post is cry cry cry i'm bad give me more money so i can think i am better, cry cry cry boohoo this game is to hard..

clans are no OP the players in them are and you do get more for killing them since you have to take out both sides if you dont leg( that is the best way to kill them BTW but i would guess you wouldn't think of that) and a last thing to add to your cry baby list of piss poor gaming most 10 mans and 12 mans kind of suck.... maybe you should find someone to practice with and get better? ( just a thought at very least its more productive then crying all day).

[Wolfways]

Hmm, i suck at playing assaults (especially the DWF). Maybe i should be compensated somehow....

[EvilCow]

Killing clanners is a reward in itself.

Kill = 100 reward points
Kill with QQ = 200 reward points
Kill with QQ and ragequit = priceless

[Dimento Graven]

hybrid black, on 26 September 2014 - 11:39 AM, said:

all i see in this post is cry cry cry i'm bad give me more money so i can think i am better, cry cry cry boohoo this game is to hard..

clans are no OP the players in them are and you do get more for killing them since you have to take out both sides if you dont leg( that is the best way to kill them BTW but i would guess you wouldn't think of that) and a last thing to add to your cry baby list of piss poor gaming most 10 mans and 12 mans kind of suck.... maybe you should find someone to practice with and get better? ( just a thought at very least its more productive then crying all day).

A great example of the 'troll post' if I've ever seen one...

[hybrid black]

Dimento Graven, on 26 September 2014 - 11:54 AM, said:

A great example of the 'troll post' if I've ever seen one...

only half i added in something to help him out( the things i put in the brackets in case you missed it)

Edited by hybrid black, 26 September 2014 - 12:03 PM.

[C E Dwyer]

why...

Xp..C-bills should be factored around which weight of mech you use, something which all Mediums could do with, to encourage play with them

[Kain Demos]

Cathy, on 26 September 2014 - 12:05 PM, said:

why...

Xp..C-bills should be factored around which weight of mech you use, something which all Mediums could do with, to encourage play with them

If they implemented a BV system like TT I think this could be taken care of easily.

Take your baseline rewards for your performance x modifier based on your 'mech's battle value = c-bills/xp rewards

[IceSerpent]

Kain Thul, on 26 September 2014 - 07:39 AM, said:

CW will never be that way. IS will use IS 'mechs and Clans will use Clan 'mechs.

How ****** up would that have been if they decided to allow the IS to use Clan 'mechs to fight the Clan invasion?

It wouldn't really be quite that bad if this was designed along the lines of "spoils of war", i.e. IS player killing certain number of Kit Foxes unlocks use of Kit Fox in CW for that player.

[-Natural Selection-]

Dimento Graven, on 26 September 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

First off, any clan 'mech chassis that can sport more than 2 AC's is boating them.

OK, one other mech can. But

Warhawk can only run 2 (one each arm)

Timer can run 3 but one is in CT with only one slot (even ac2 is 2 slots) So MG would be your only 3rd AC option

Summoner can load 3 AC2's with maybe 6 tons ammo (maybe a little more with ammo). Now looking at this, might have to toss one together for the troll of it.. (if my friends don't tk me for not running the TW)

*nevermind,, tried it. The effectiveness of this mech to do anything is a touch above having no weapons equipped.

Edited by Mickey Knoxx, 26 September 2014 - 01:39 PM.

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Mickey Knoxx, on 26 September 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

OK, one other mech can. But

Warhawk can only run 2 (one each arm)

Timer can run 3 but one is in CT with only one slot (even ac2 is 2 slots) So MG would be your only 3rd AC option

Summoner can load 3 AC2's with maybe 6 tons ammo (maybe a little more with ammo). Now looking at this, might have to toss one together for the troll of it.. (if my friends don't tk me for not running the TW)

*nevermind,, tried it. The effectiveness of this mech to do anything is a touch above having no weapons equipped.

Im sick of your TW.

Also, with all the whine to nerf clan op-ness, you want to add a bonus for killing gutted emchs?

seems legit really.

like, really.

Do I get a bonus for killing nerfed victors now?
because I feel like I should then.