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[Damien Tokala]

KuroNyra, on 28 September 2014 - 01:19 PM, said:

We dot not have Mad Cat, we have Timber Wolf.

ITS THE SAME FRIGGEN MECH!

[Hollow Earth]

1453 R, on 28 September 2014 - 08:30 AM, said:

It's. Not. Going. To. Happen. Harmony Gold is an evil bad company who hates people, BattleTech, and people who play BattleTech most of all, and they delight in your delicious tears.

Ya' know, after reading that line i can't help but think that HG uses those tears are their primary source of hydration because their kickstarter campaign to buy bottled water would probably fail.

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also that Marauder is bloody amazing, i love that shadowhawk style canopy with the smaller windows on the side.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Hollow Earth, on 28 September 2014 - 02:36 PM, said:

Ya' know, after reading that line i can't help but think that HG uses those tears are their primary source of hydration because their kickstarter campaign to buy bottled water would probably fail.


also that Marauder is bloody amazing, i love that shadowhawk style canopy with the smaller windows on the side.

Yeah got to say, I am liking this redesign. I would also actually say it is probably the first one I have seen that looks different enough that I don't think HG would have much ground to stand on while still looking close enough that it actually reminds you of the true Marauder.

Honsestly, the Marauder is one of the very few IS mechs I would spend money on at this point (other being a Thug) at least baring them finally opening the 3055 TRO. Tempest, War Dog and Cerberus are my absolute favorites looks-wise anyway.

[ShinobiHunter]

Kyocera, on 27 September 2014 - 02:50 PM, said:

A much talked about subject over the last couple of years.

To be totally honest, as much as I love and adore the Marauder so much, it's just not quite dog eared enough to fit into the Inner Sphere way. This is something that's always bugged me about the Marauder whether you want to consider it LosTech, Star League or whatever, it's just not Inner Sphere. Maybe this is why we love the Marauder so much, because it's a thing of beauty nestled in the middle of a pile of scrap iron?

You're just jealous cuz Clammers don't get anything this cool

[Cion]

Dimento Graven, on 28 September 2014 - 01:25 PM, said:

Well, either Topps is that 'other unnamed party' that has exclusive rights to distribute these images in the US, OR, we have an example to show cause that HG is not actively protecting its IP and therefore, their rights have YET AGAIN, lapsed.

Here's just a FEW other the other unseen 'mechs (with some variants too) currently for sale from Iron Wind Metals:

http://ironwindmetal...echs/20-864.jpg
http://ironwindmetal...s/20-260%20.jpg
http://ironwindmetal...echs/20-234.jpg
http://ironwindmetal...20-236a.bmp.jpg
http://ironwindmetal...chs/20-5085.jpg
http://ironwindmetal...echs/20-225.jpg
http://ironwindmetal...echs/20-988.jpg
http://ironwindmetal...echs/20-231.jpg
http://ironwindmetal...echs/20-297.jpg
http://ironwindmetal...echs/20-209.jpg
http://ironwindmetal...s/20-857%20.jpg
http://ironwindmetal...echs/20-233.jpg
http://ironwindmetal...chs/20-5073.jpg

Honestly the impression I'm getting is that HG is just acting as a 'Robot Mafia' trying to get everyone's **** so tight that the moment they think 'robot' they're writing a check to HG...

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Bront, on 28 September 2014 - 01:35 PM, said:

Topps is the baseball card company that bought WizKids, and thus owns the Battletech IP, which I think they loan out to Wiz Kids..

thanks.

Legally speaking, it would depend on what the courts consider an appropriate time of abandonment, etc. Last time with the same argument it did not go well for FASA. We can hope it goes well. the Maurader is AWESOME lookin'

I just think it's a gamble to try to produce the Maurader, putting PGI at an unnecessary risk. I'm trying to view it from their viewpoint.

[Iron Riding Cowboy]

Cion, on 28 September 2014 - 01:07 PM, said:

Guys, many of you have valid points but miss the main reason why it's dangerous, very dangerous, to do this.

That's because this issue has already been in court, and the judge ruled against all of FASA's arguments.

Judges don't want to rule again on same issues, or even related issues.


Truth is if PGI would do anything called Maurader, and if it looks remotely like the Macross counterpart, then HG has grounds to bring a legal action against PGI for enforcement of a court order already in place. A judge would almost surely look at the previous ruling and assign damages for PGI doing this again.

Loik up "Harmony Gold vs. FASA". anyone with a familiar knowledge of the US court system would probably agree it's very dangerous for PGI to risk the appearance of violating the current ruling.

we can make new mechs using the same hard points with new names . Thank about a 75 ton king crab having the same hard points as the Marauder give it a name like the Mad craber or bad crab i mean why not? there is a medium crab why not a heavy? as for the rifleman we have the jegermech. The warhammer? how about just giving us a IS loki? call it the prototype Loki or orion or something with the same hard points as the warhammer ?

Edited by Iron Riding Cowboy, 29 September 2014 - 03:05 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Seraphic Law, on 27 September 2014 - 02:52 PM, said:

Forget that 85Ton IIC version, what about the 100Ton II version? =D

Not as cool looking as the Phoenix 85 Ton IIC!

[stjobe]

Dimento Graven, on 28 September 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

So how is HG not coming down on Topps and Iron Wind Metals like the wrath of god?

Because of a few things:
* The license to make miniatures is not the same license as the one to make video games/tv shows/movies/novels/what have you.
* Iron Wind Metals make no sculpts of the Unseen, only their Reseen variants.

The Unseen from Macross are the ones HG will block from anything that isn't of their own doing, and it's not the names of the 'mechs that's important but the likeness. Therefore, without HG's blessing, we'll never see

A Stinger looking like a Macross VF-1A
A Wasp looking like a VF-1S
A Valkyrie looking like a VF-1S
A Phoenix Hawk looking like a VF-1S
A Crusader looking like an Armored VF-1A
An Ostsol looking like a Zentraedi "Regult" Tactical Battle Pod
An Ostscout looking like a Regult Scout Pod
A Behemoth looking like a HWR-00-Mk.II Monster Heavy Weight Destroid
An Archer looking like a MBR-07-Mk.II Spartan Main Battle Destroid
A Warhammer looking like a MBR-04-MK.VI Tomahawk Main Battle Destroid
A Rifleman looking like a MBR-04-MK.X Defender Anti-Aircraft Defense Destroid
A Longbow looking like a SDR-04-Mk.XII Phalanx Space Defense Destroid
A Marauder looking like a Zentraedi "Glaug" Officer's Battle Pod

[MechWarrior5152251]

Dimento Graven, on 28 September 2014 - 02:01 PM, said:

Oh, BTW, it's a wonder Jim Marrs hasn't come after your behind for using the title of one of his books as your user name!

Jim Marrs would approve of everything I say and would not mind in the least. He is more interested in integrity than greed:)

Edited by 911 Inside Job, 29 September 2014 - 04:27 AM.

[Roadbuster]

What if the "new" Marauder would be called Raider and look similar to a Timber Wolf or Catapult without missile pods?
And because there is also a ballistic hardpoint in the torso, someone could put an AC or Gauss there and suddenly have the usual AC/Gauss barrel on the shoulder.

Honestly, Marauder would be the only mech I'd pay $ for.
And HG should burn in hell for sitting on the rights just to sue everyone who uses a similar design.

Btw. my preferred redesign:


Taken from: http://mwomercs.com/...d-concept-page/

[MeiSooHaityu]

IceSerpent, on 27 September 2014 - 03:20 PM, said:

"Old Guard" are the only people who even know what a Marauder is, you can easily fool the rest of the playerbase by creating an oversized Shadow Hawk and naming it "Marauder". The big question is if it's not an original, why bother with it at all?

By the way, "reseen" Marauder is very ugly:

I don't have a problem with this Marauder. It isn't the original, but the original is gone forever (thanks to HG).

I suppose we could let it die, but why not release a new reimagined version for the game? I'm for it.

[Marauder3D]

MeiSooHaityu, on 29 September 2014 - 04:34 AM, said:

I don't have a problem with this Marauder. It isn't the original, but the original is gone forever (thanks to HG).

I suppose we could let it die, but why not release a new reimagined version for the game? I'm for it.

I've grown to love this new Marauder actually. With his track record, I know Alex Iglesias could put a sweet version of it in game for us. I know this mech would make as much money as a clan mech from all of the old timers like me.

I think we need Russ Bullock to come in this thread and tell us yes, or crush our hopes and dreams of a Marauder in MWO FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL!

[Dawnstealer]

As I've mentioned elsewhere, you would think it would be possible to release a package where a large portion of profits go directly to Harmony Gold. Also, I'm pretty sure Russ said that he'd look into talking with HG again. That doesn't sound like he's looking for a legal loophole - just reason from a company that hasn't used the IP for decades.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Marauder3D, on 29 September 2014 - 05:05 AM, said:

I've grown to love this new Marauder actually. With his track record, I know Alex Iglesias could put a sweet version of it in game for us. I know this mech would make as much money as a clan mech from all of the old timers like me.

I think we need Russ Bullock to come in this thread and tell us yes, or crush our hopes and dreams of a Marauder in MWO FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL!

Yea, I like it too. I think it looks a bit too "Cataphract-ish" in that pic, but if he "bulked" it up a bit too make it look more like an Assault and less like a Heavy, I think it would be good.

[Lily from animove]

Well the unseen's redesign fits IS mechs a lot better, its more the old style fitting to IS lower techs. The first art is too much flawless future tech. Probably better suited for a marauder II or IIC

[Lord de Seis]

Seraphic Law, on 27 September 2014 - 02:49 PM, said:

Well maybe someone needs to finally stand up to HarmonyGold and put them in their place.
Their squatting on that Macross IP. They only own the one Macross series not the entire IP.

LoL, do you know the actual facts behind the story? I love the unseen Battlemechs but FASA copied the Macross designs exactly and Harmony Gold didn't come after them at all until FASA sued Harmony Gold because they copying the Mad Cat, FASA lost the suit and Harmony Gold came back at them for all the Macross likenesses and won the case. It sucks, but Harmony Gold is not really in the wrong about it as I see it.

Here is a good article laying it out:
http://www.qqmercs.com/?p=2859

Edited by Lord de Seis, 29 September 2014 - 06:28 AM.

[JohnnyWayne]

Hollow Earth, on 28 September 2014 - 02:36 PM, said:

Ya' know, after reading that line i can't help but think that HG uses those tears are their primary source of hydration because their kickstarter campaign to buy bottled water would probably fail.


also that Marauder is bloody amazing, i love that shadowhawk style canopy with the smaller windows on the side.

I find it ugly as hell. I prefer the unseen moon version by shimmering sword.

The only thing luring me out of my direwolf / timberwolf is the marauder. Even if the PPC remains unviable.

Lord de Seis, on 29 September 2014 - 06:27 AM, said:

LoL, do you know the actual facts behind the story? I love the unseen Battlemechs but FASA copied the Macross designs exactly and Harmony Gold didn't come after them at all until FASA sued Harmony Gold because they copying the Mad Cat, FASA lost the suit and Harmony Gold came back at them for all the Macross likenesses and won the case. It sucks, but Harmony Gold is not really in the wrong about it as I see it.

Here is a good article laying it out:
http://www.qqmercs.com/?p=2859

HG never owned ****. They own the rights on macross but not the rights to the models themselfs. These were made by an artist studio and given to the macross studio for usage there only. The macross guys never had the rights to sell the models to a third party.

Edited by JohnnyWayne, 29 September 2014 - 06:37 AM.

[Kali Rinpoche]

I forget the name of the term for a person/company that sits on a dead copyright just to make money suing others for every imagined infringement. I know that the Attorney General's office was going after these deadbeat copyright scammers, but only a super radical redesign would hold up in court. Hasbro lost/settled in their battle with the old geezer that owns the HG license. Judge after judge has sided with that heartless *******. It would take Microsoft level clout to put this twit in his place.

[Dimento Graven]

911 Inside Job, on 29 September 2014 - 04:25 AM, said:

Jim Marrs would approve of everything I say and would not mind in the least.

Can't think of Jim Marrs as much of a 'BattleTech' fan, but I never interacted personally with him at that level.

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He is more interested in integrity than greed:)

HA! Good one!

[Gallowglas]

Kyocera, on 27 September 2014 - 06:53 PM, said:

For crying out loud just look at the unseen and reseen Marauder (those reseen with big unseen cues). How much does this mech NOT fit in with everything Alex has done with this game so far?

The Marauder just does not work within IS lore at all! And this is coming from an IS fan! It is a mech, which we know and love massively, that just doesn't have a place within the design structure of MWO.

I want to see it too but for crying out loud, IT JUST WILL NOT WORK. Please, for this generation just put the Marauder to bed for the love of Kerensky.

Why, precisely, does it "not work"? Do you really think there's a design template that every mech in the game adheres to? Do you see some sort of commonality of design to the Atlas, King Crab, and Jagermech? Because, aside from certain generic things, as an artist, I definitely don't see it. You have to understand, too, that mechs were produced by different houses with different design agendas. How else would you even begin to explain the freaking Hatamoto-chi for crying out loud?

Besides, naysaying the Marauder and Warhammer is heresy and we must burn the heretics.