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[Corbenik]

Bilbo, on 30 September 2014 - 01:58 PM, said:

What do you mean? They are listed.

ah didn't see the Huggin so thought some were missing from it as well.

[LordLosh]

any preview of what a full quirk will look like on a mech? plz>?
also can some one confirm that the flush of bad quirks will come October 21st? or are they going to do that sooner? or did i completely miss it and its already done? Thanks.

[Gerhardt Jorgensson]

E N E R G Y, on 30 September 2014 - 02:52 PM, said:

Tier list looks pretty good.

If you don't want to our-right buff PPC speed, maybe a module or IS mechs that have a velocity boost for PPCs?

I would not mind seeing projectile speed boost modules for all projectiles, to include missiles. Lasers can get shorter burn time modules, or something.

[juxstapo]

OMG people stop griping about your favorite mechs being a lower tier than you think they should be.

The lower the tier... the more they'll get tuned!

Sheesh.


Oh.. and pardon me while I do a naked victory dance atop my computer desk for the return of the un-nerfed Victors (only assault I took the time to master)

EDIT: Got frustrated and posted before I finished reading:

Wintersdark, on 30 September 2014 - 03:29 PM, said:

If a mech you love and use frequently is rated low, rejoice, for its going to get a lot better

and ooohh look, posted by a guy who plays with my group.
Dark.... join us... let me stamp you with an RC sig.

Edited by juxstapo, 30 September 2014 - 04:08 PM.

[Marvyn Dodgers]

Savage Wolf, on 30 September 2014 - 03:31 PM, said:

Yep, Huginn missing. Wonder how they are going to fix it though as the problem is ammo dependancy. Unlimited ammo would be quite a stretch. Energy hardpoints as a quick?

Definately tier 5 though.

Please don't mention UA or folks will be requesting Stackpoling again too (sorry, j/k, couldn't resist)

[AnimeFreak40K]

Looking at the list, I can't say that I'm disappointed. I mean, the Tier 1 and Tier 2 lists are the mechs I see in the more competitive matches and groups I've seen when I've stumbled upon them.

...and actually, looking at the list, getting some positive changes/quirks to these mechs will be most welcome indeed. I mean, all of the mechs I really enjoy piloting (with the exception of the DDC) or want to pilot more often/give love to are Tier 3-5.

[Krasnopesky]

Have to agree with the mentions of the Highlanders being too high.

[Nothing Whatsoever]

If we are looking to greatest need in Tier 5 with no benefits to Tier 1, then here's what I think:

LIGHTS

Spoiler

TIER 1
JR7-F / FS9-E / RVN-3L / JR7-D

TIER 2
FS9-A / FS9-H / FS9-K / FS9-S / JR7-K / JR7-O

TIER 3
COM-2D / RVN-2X / RVN-4X / RVN-H / SDR-A / SDR-5D / SDR-5K

TIER 4
COM-1B / COM-1D / COM-3A / COM-DK

TIER 5
LCT-1E / LCT-1M / LCT-1V / LCT-3M / LCT-3S / SDR-5V

With Lights, Tiers 1 and 2 can have a great impact in a match, so fine as-is
Tier 3 can also influence a match, but can get outmatched at times if over extending (Take ECM off of the 5D and I'd drop it down to Tier 4).
Tier 4 can struggle and can easily get outmatched if making any mistakes
Tier 5 just need a lot of help, even if individual players can play them very well

MEDIUMS

Spoiler

TIER 1
SHD-2D / SHD-2D2 / SHD-2K

TIER 2
CDA-3M / GRF-1N / GRF-1S / GRF-3M / GRF-S / SHD-5H /SHD-5M

TIER 3
BJ-1 / BJ-3 / BJ-A / CN9-A / CN9-AL / CN9-D / CN9-YLW / KTO-18 / KTO-19 / KTO-20 / KTO-GB / VND-1AA / VND-1R / VND-1X / VND-SB / WVR-6R / WVR-7K

TIER 4
BJ-1DC / BJ-1X / CDA-2A / CDA-2B / CDA-X5 / HBK-GI / HBK-4H / HBK-4J / HBK-4P / HBK-4SP / WVR-6K

TIER 5
CDA-3C / HBK-4G / TBT-3C / TBT-5J / TBT-5N / TBT-7K / TBT-7M / TBT-LG

Tier 1 and Tier 2 can have a big impact in a match and they are very solid as-is (Take ECM off of the 3M and it would drop though to Tier 4).
Tier 3 most perform solidly and mostly suffer from other balancing issues (Heat Capacity / Alpha for example)
and maybe the Wolverines could be a Tier 2, but not playing them enough yet and not seeing them often enough they might be fine here
Tier 4 and 5 can get lucky at times but certainly need the most help.

WIldcards here are the new Griffin Hero and new Vindicators, but they seemed to fit in fine for the most part playing against them.

HEAVIES

Spoiler

TIER 1
CTF-3D / JM6-DD / JM6-F / JM6-S

TIER 2
CTF-1X / CTF-2X / CTF-4X / CTF-IM / JM6-A

TIER 3
CPLT-A1 / CPLT-C1 / CPLT-C4 / CPLT-J / CPLT-K2 / ON1-K / ON1-M / ON1-P / ON1-V / ON1-VA

TIER 4
DRG-1C / DRG-1N / DRG-5N / DRG-FANG / DRG-FLAME / TDR-5S / TDR-5SS / TDR-9S / TDR9SE

TIER 5
QKD-4G / QKD-4H / QKD-5K / QKD-IV

Tier 1 Mechs are very effective and can have a big influence as-is
Tier 2 Mechs are still rather effective and can have an influence on a match
Tier 3 Mechs can be effective and could see something of a boost
Tier 4 and Tier 5 Mechs can get lucky, but these would benefit the most from quirks.

ASSAULTS

Spoiler

TIER 1
AS7-D-DC / STK-3F / STK-3H / STK-5M / STK-5S / STK-M / VTR-9B / VTR-9K / VTR-9S / VTR-DS

TIER 2
HGN-732 / HGN-733 / HGN-733C / HGN-733P / HGN-HM / STK-4N

TIER 3
BLR-1D / BLR-1G / BLR-1S / BLR-3M / BLR-3S / BLR-HS

TIER 4
AS7-BH / AS7-D / AS7-K / AS7-RS / BNC-3E / BNC-3S / BNC-LM

TIER 5
AWS-8Q / AWS-8R / AWS-8T / AWS-8V / AWS-9M / AWS-PB / BNC-3M

Tier 1 Mechs are very strong and have a big impact as-is (take ECM off of the D-DC and it'll be tier 4 though)
Tier 2 These are still strong contenders and shouldn't need much, in light of the JJ changes
Tier 3 and Tier 4 for me are also very close, with the Tier 3 being faster and having high torso mounts these can have an influence on a match giving them a slight bump
Tier 4 can make a difference, but they could see some quirks
Tier 5 These are the ones that could see the most benefit

Wildcards are that Tiers 2 to 4 are very close where some variants can be swapped

edit:missed a tag

Edited by Praetor Knight, 30 September 2014 - 04:40 PM.

[GMan129]

Not terrible, but needs a few changes...

lights: seems fine. maaybe put oxide into tier 2, but probably not. id move a lot of the tier 3s into 4: the DK, sdr-A, and the fs9-A and S. id put the lct-3m down to tier 5 as well...probably the 1E too but it is the best locust.

mediums: griffin 3M and shadowhawk 2K are tier 1 worthy mechs. loup de guerre probably is a tier 2 mech as well. sparky is listed twice as grf-s and grf-1e in different tiers...imo it should be a tier 3 though. no strong feelings about any of the tier 4 or 5s

heavies: 3D being tier 1 is pushing it, but not hard enough for me to say it should be taken down. dont see why the firebrand should be in tier 2 if youre not going to include the DD and the S in there too (A should stay tier 3). K2 and A1 might be worth having in tier 2 as well. qkd 4H should move to tier 3, as well as the protector and maybe the VA. TDR 5SS deserves tier 4 as well.

assaults: this is where i see most of the mistakes. VTR 9K isn't worth tier 1, the 9B probably isn't either. 9B tier 2 and 9K tier 3 makes sense. all the mechs currently in tier 2 are good there, but from tier 3 you want to bring the banshee 3E and maybe the 3M up as well into tier 2. the RS should go down to tier 4, as well as the hgn 732 and 733P. and the battlemaster 1S should go into tier 3. finally, the aws 9M should be in tier 4.

Edited by GMan129, 30 September 2014 - 04:30 PM.

[Savage Wolf]

Marvyn Dodgers, on 30 September 2014 - 04:09 PM, said:

Please don't mention UA or folks will be requesting Stackpoling again too (sorry, j/k, couldn't resist)

How are those related? Not that I want Stackpoling, 'cause I dont.

[Voodle]

Another vote for the RVN-H Huginn needing to be on this tier list. I suppose it's not quite as painful as the RVN-4X was but it's definitely a very mediocre mech and one of my most ill informed/reasoned purchases.

[ShadowbaneX]

Re: the Highlanders' position on the list, I'm thinking like the Victor, it's going to lose all their negative quirks which will make them significantly better than what they currently are. Also, if Russ & co. are taking suggestions Highlanders need a quirk that makes their Jump Jets better and perhaps take reduced falling damage. With the current system 3-4 JJs are nigh useless and for a mech that named the maneuver for crushing enemy mechs by jumping on them the Highlanders needs to be able to get some air.

[Toaster Repair Pony]

Pretty Baby/Yen Lo/SDR-5K are one tier lower than where I think they should be. Not that I'm complaining about by beloved Yen Lo being lower. It's just in the interest of fairness.

[Heroth]

Not sure how the majority of the Catapults are on the same tier as the Jagers... they can do everything (apart from one or two super heavy missile builds) the same as the Catapults but better, with higher Arm mounts, a smaller over-all frame, ballistics and a CT that isn't the size of an atlas...

Catapults also climb hills like an Assault, remember...

[ShadowbaneX]

Heroth, on 30 September 2014 - 04:54 PM, said:

Not sure how the majority of the Catapults are on the same tier as the Jagers... they can do everything (apart from one or two super heavy missile builds) the same as the Catapults but better, with higher Arm mounts, a smaller over-all frame, ballistics and a CT that isn't the size of an atlas...

Catapults also climb hills like an Assault, remember...

Catapults might not have the higher arms, but they have very friendly side torsos for XL engines. That counts for something.

[Kenyon Burguess]

please treat the hbk-gi the same way you will the hbk-4g. that gauss weapon in the side torso the grid came with was the worst idea possible for a medium mech with an xl. please don't encourage more of its use thru buffs

[Mister Blastman]

Mcgral18, on 30 September 2014 - 01:38 PM, said:

Yes....yes it should be. Tier 4 must have all the good cooling quirks....

It's just a horribad energy boat, that requires hefty cooling quirks

Suuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre.......

[BLOOD WOLF]

BUFF MY LOCUST, AND I WILL SWARM!

[Mister Blastman]

The HGN 733C might need a bump down to Tier 3. It's really bad as of late. The Shadowhawks--particularly the 2K and those two Griffins in Tier 2, they might need a bump to Tier 1. They are solid.

But hey, I don't mind seeing them get buffed, further.

As for the two lights @ tier 1... Well... See, the problem remains with most IS 'mechs--and the reason the tiering is so bad--is that the medium and small lasers were nerfed so long ago by having extra heat added to them plus ghost heat... it really messed over the IS as a whole, bad. Probably the best thing that could be done first off is removing the heat nerfs to these weapons plus removing ghost heat from them. I'd probably start first with removing the heat nerfs...

[MangoBogadog]

Good list overall, but.. All Dragons should be tier 5!