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[Corrado]

mwo stopped being fun the day skirmish gone live. with the highly ******** spawns (IE caustic as a dire, in the west part, your team spawns in cover, you get eaten while trying to merge)

[Cow And Chicken]

I started playing 2 months before the clans. I played 1800 drops in that 2 months.
Now I hardly log on anymore. I have 39 Mechs sitting about..

The game was pretty awesome until the Clan invasion.

Then balance went to hell.

I tried again a week ago. Its worse then it was right after Clan invasion.
Its some kinda of DW / TW OP hell now.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

sneeking, on 01 October 2014 - 06:00 AM, said:

the matches I managed join in stock with Saturdays were quite good fun, timezone is an issue and my sunday morning is the only chance all week.

Sunday's are also bike ride days as well so stock matches gotta compeat with this thing for my time.

Glad you got to try the stock league saturday matches! Also, that bike looks like it has better armor than a locust lol.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Corrado, on 01 October 2014 - 06:05 AM, said:

mwo stopped being fun the day skirmish gone live. with the highly ******** spawns (IE caustic as a dire, in the west part, your team spawns in cover, you get eaten while trying to merge)

In all fairness though, you can pick the game types you want to launch into. You can make it so Skirmish no longer exists for you.

Just saying that I wouldn't let one game type I can cut out ruin a game for me.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

MeiSooHaityu, on 01 October 2014 - 06:07 AM, said:

In all fairness though, you can pick the game types you want to launch into. You can make it so Skirmish no longer exists for you.

Just saying that I wouldn't let one game type I can cut out ruin a game for me.

I think he was just talking about the spawns specific to skirmish mode. That's the part I agreed with at least. Some patch cycles the spawns can be good, others they are gawdawful.

[Sadist Cain]

Wolfways, on 01 October 2014 - 02:56 AM, said:

So LRM's and Dire Wolves are OP? No...not even remotely.

As for tactics. If you are playing in the solo queue never expects tactics to be used. You could take charge and hope others listen, or just pretend your team are bad AI mechs only there to soak some damage for you.

Not so, Often small group tactics can be the worst and herding pugs can be a lot simpler.

As an example just came off a game whereby both teams stood on opposite sides of the saddle for about 4-5 minutes, all listening to the one "commander" whos only instructions were to group up and wait for them to come over the top.

During this time our lights could've made it around the side/through tunnel and spotted for LRMs. Or we could've dropped back a bit further into the tall buildings and waited there in cover (instead of next to the silos with zero cover.

No there was what some people (a terrifyingly large number of group players also ) seem to believe is teamwork. Being "tactical" by standing still and hoping the enemy is stupid enough to come one at a time and give a steamroll to you.

Lo' and behold the enemy team came blazing over the top split into two sides, they encircled our blob whilst smashing down airstrikes and artillery and completely annihilated everyone.

"GG close"... Apparently standing still like a ******** welk is close!


Small groups have been facing up against pugs for too long and because of that the consensus is still to blob up and hope the other team give enough people one by one to win.

Throw that atop a completely unused pointless command system and any tactical play has been beaten out of the playerbase, long standing ones especially.

Same thing seems to happen with a lot of big groups v small groups now for the same reason.

It's not a case of "teamwork is op lulz" its a case of there is no very little tactics and teamwork in groups and very little to encourage it in pugs.

No pre planning outside a chat box, nothing but bigger blobs rolling over smaller blobs without the tools to work together.

[MeiSooHaityu]

lockwoodx, on 01 October 2014 - 06:11 AM, said:

I think he was just talking about the spawns specific to skirmish mode. That's the part I agreed with at least. Some patch cycles the spawns can be good, others they are gawdawful.

Well, I can agree with that. Caustic and River City can be rough spawn point wise right off the start.

Still though, Assault and Skirmish are very similar currently. He could always filter out Skirmish and play with the more spawn friendly Assault mode.

He shouldn't have to do that, but he could until PGI irons out the spawns on some maps

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 01 October 2014 - 06:16 AM.

[3rdworld]

When it stopped being a challenge.

Solo queue....too easy.
Group queue? Turns into "don't bring a mech below 70 or everything will be dead before you get there".

That and needing to play people from 1of2 different teams for it to even matter. There is no where near enough parity in mwo.

[Angel of Annihilation]

I still have alot of fun with this game however changes like what they did to the JJs, heat locking Clan mechs through massive heat on lasers and fixing JJs to mechs that don't fix them in the TROs tend to go a long way toward nerfing the fun in this game. This is especially frustrating when these changes are arbitrary and either don't do anything to balance the game or are very poorly thought out, usually breaking more than they fix.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

When a lesion formed on my ulnar nerve and I lost the ability to use a mouse without huge amounts of pain

3rdworld, on 01 October 2014 - 06:19 AM, said:

When it stopped being a challenge.

Solo queue....too easy.
Group queue? Turns into "don't bring a mech below 70 or everything will be dead before you get there".

That and needing to play people from 1of2 different teams for it to even matter. There is no where near enough parity in mwo.

Funny being that I said way back when they shouldnt monetize cland so they wouldnt have to nerf them and then we'd have a challenge to fight

but noone understood how I could ever want to fight a superior force

[occusoj]

Three things took the fun out of MWO for me.
1) Hitreg. Somewhere around clan release it wasnt all that bad. Buckington fix was nice for SRMs, lasers were ok and ACs too. Since then it has gotten worse. Totally random in its behavious. Some matches it works fine, some its like rolling the dice. Registering damage not at all, in absolutely impossible-to-hit locations or even double.

2) Solo-drop teams. At an increasing rate, MM seems to put average players in absolute terribad teams. They scatter around and/or move into places where they get ground up without getting a chance to return fire. Theres games where the only 1-3 kills are made by one player and he did more damage than the 10 worst players combined. About three minutes into the game its already 0-4 or worse. Not fun to play. Neither in such a team nor on the other just walking over em.

3) The instant converging PPFLD combination of gauss/erppc. Every corner you turn is a gamble. Might be one that a 50dmg alpha is already aimed at. Or not. Someone has to take a look. Lucky: nothing happend. Unlucky: There goes a better part of your ST/CT armor. Or its instagib for weaker mechs and the ones that already lost some armor.
I personally switched to either playing a dual gauss cat and/or not going around corners first. Works well. Fun? No.

The JJ nerf didnt make it any more enjoyable to play either.
After grinding out DWs to see how they perform mastered Ill most likely take a very long break from MWO.

Edited by occusoj, 01 October 2014 - 06:39 AM.

[Jetfire]

Tactics Win.

Two awesome matches yesterday when I had my head on straight dropping with 3 merc guild mates.

Call a non-standard play on River City and got the others to follow, headed off the typical counter clockwise circle in upper city, popped a UAV and arty right in the center of their push and they scattered into the waiting arms of 3 lances. Could have just went D-line...

Canyon Network, enemy has over committed to C4/D4 in assault trading shots with our big ball by the base. Our lance makes a base rush after taking out an LRM boat and the turrets. Win.

If you aren't playing group queue then yes, it is just a mess.

[Xtrekker]

Probably ever since this creeped into my mind. Which would probably be around "launch" and seemed more of a possibility when facing some teams. Not that it's really going on or at least not in any real numbers, but once the idea that this game could somehow be impure gets a foothold, too many deaths are tinged with some doubt. I think it's probably that way with any MMO.

Otherwise, I have grown overly bored with the continual death march grind. I very much enjoy finally seeing a new map, but it seems like that is just a race to figure out who can exploit it first. Without some kind of goal or variation on game play, launching the client feels almost like I'm logging on just to get my cheap fix and feel bad about it afterward, as in there were so many other things I could have done that would have been productive or fun.

Finally, repeatedly facing off with Clans has pretty much ruined the fun I continued to have as an IS pilot. I was looking forward to getting into Clan mechs, but now I feel like if I did so I would be cheating somehow. I definitely never expected that and it's been disappointing to say the least.

[DONTOR]

Since Clans dont have any fast mechs. Cant Fn wait for the Ice Ferret!

UnsafePilot, on 01 October 2014 - 06:01 AM, said:

There's not a single game in this franchise that I'd have played without loadout customization. All the way back to TT that's always been a huge part of the fun.

100% agree wouldnt even touch this game without fully customizeable mechs.

[Xanquil]

Pixel perfect pinpoint convergent alpha strikes. When the biggest issue the combat system was ignored, (and continues to be) the game became boring. Being able to make a ER-Ultra-gauss-PPC70 is something that has caused so many more issues in this game (ghost heat, fast TTK, Gauss/PPC "tweaks" ect) it is hard to even bring myself to play it.
Even a lot of the mech balance issues would go away if Alphas didn't magically hit the exact same location. It has taken all the skill, and fun out of the game.

[Windsaw]

There are two answers from me to this question.

The first one is when it started to being unfun.
It started at the time when knockdowns were removed, r&r was removed and ECM introduced. It all happened in a pretty short amount of time. With knockdowns the value of good piloting skills left the game. With r&r the primary weight balance tool for mediums left the game. With ECM combat became pretty much unbalancable and continues to be like that to this day.
Each one IMO dealt the fun aspect of the game a serious blow, but all three of them together were devastating.

The second one is when it stopped being fun altogether.
In all seriousness: When the war horns were introduced.
I know, I know, MWO is not Battletech and has not really been for a long time. But at least for a time I could still pretend it is.
But once Clan mechs started to emit ugly "BWAAA-BWA-BWA-BWA-BWO" sounds I could no long pretend. It is just impossible. These things and the clan warrior mentality are just so incompatible.
And what made it really worse: From a game standpoint they were absolutley without use nor necessity.

[Gerhardt Jorgensson]

UnsafePilot, on 01 October 2014 - 06:01 AM, said:

There's not a single game in this franchise that I'd have played without loadout customization. All the way back to TT that's always been a huge part of the fun.

The original MechWarrior did not have the ability to customize your mech. However, how different would this game play if community warfare was restricted to stock load outs? It would be interesting to see what chassis would be considered which tier.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Jetfire, on 01 October 2014 - 06:44 AM, said:

Tactics Win.

Two awesome matches yesterday when I had my head on straight dropping with 3 merc guild mates.

Call a non-standard play on River City and got the others to follow, headed off the typical counter clockwise circle in upper city, popped a UAV and arty right in the center of their push and they scattered into the waiting arms of 3 lances. Could have just went D-line...

Canyon Network, enemy has over committed to C4/D4 in assault trading shots with our big ball by the base. Our lance makes a base rush after taking out an LRM boat and the turrets. Win.

If you aren't playing group queue then yes, it is just a mess.

Yes, nerf teamwork

[UnsafePilot]

Gerhardt Jorgensson, on 01 October 2014 - 07:16 AM, said:

The original MechWarrior did not have the ability to customize your mech.

The original mechwarrior has always sounded pretty terrible to me; I started on TT and moved on to PC with MW2.

Gerhardt Jorgensson, on 01 October 2014 - 07:16 AM, said:

However, how different would this game play if community warfare was restricted to stock load outs? It would be interesting to see what chassis would be considered which tier.

Seems to me like this would be a death sentence for the IS side.

[3rdworld]

Gerhardt Jorgensson, on 01 October 2014 - 07:16 AM, said:

The original MechWarrior did not have the ability to customize your mech. However, how different would this game play if community warfare was restricted to stock load outs? It would be interesting to see what chassis would be considered which tier.

Considering most heroes come with advanced tech....


I'll give you a guess.