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[Mechwarrior Buddah]

http://youtu.be/7io0...W7-LkezMuhaJSRQ

The "direstar" a 9 erppc build that works just like the hexastalker did.

Given that the original system was created to stop those mechs and reduce pin point damage (as per Twitter), even though the original mech was a joke just like this one is.

The odd question is how did the mech not explode from heat damage to the CT?

Especially since looking at it on the updated heat simulator 9 clan erppc generates something like 332 heat

[Wintersdark]

The mech shuts down for a long, long time. It takes damage, enough to die under most circumstances.

This is ultimately no different than running a 6PPC stalker now... Except the 6PPC stalker can fire many more volleys before self-destructing.

See many 6PPC stalkers? No. Because they're bad. So is the 9ERPPC DWF. It's fun, but bad.

Edited by Wintersdark, 21 September 2014 - 06:51 PM.

[Eddrick]

If he had used Overide Shutdown. He would have blown up. But, doing that without Overide Shutdown. He would just be Shutdown for a very long time.

Damage taken from heat when Shutdown is minimal. Its when you Overide Shutdown is when heat damage hurts and can be deadly.

[Mcgral18]

Hm....WubShee is moderately afraid of dat PP FLD.


I think the best course of action is to Wub it hard, and abuse the fact that all weapons magically converge on the same pinpiont location, no matter where the weapons are mounted on your mech.


Ghost heat never changed that particular issue.

[SweetJackal]

You are making the post with the assumption that the mech doesn't explode the moment it Alpha's. Yet it does, careful editing tried to remove all of that.

You said it yourself, both of these mechs are joke mechs. In the case of the 6 PPC Stalker, the 4 PPC Stalker was actually combat effective and not self defeating. So all this is is just another boogeyman to be tossed around as hyperbole to scare people.

Edited by SuckyJack, 21 September 2014 - 06:43 PM.

[Destructicus]

>taking a 9 ppcbuild seriously

[Wintersdark]

The 6PPC stalker may have been more of a joke, but it could delier all 6 PPC bolts and not shut down. The 9 ERPPC DWF will shut down and die if it's taken ANY CT damage before that or is already at any amount of heat before firing.

I just took one into Caustic and exploded after firing at 20% heat.

[Lynx7725]

That build? It'll melt the core down. Takes some times. It can take 2 Alpha shots max, per game... and after the first, it's a foregone conclusion that the DW will melt. If it misses the first, it's kind of wasting the entire mech.

[Antonio]

Our 'mechs can't repel firepower of that magnitude!

[Wintersdark]

Lynx7725, on 21 September 2014 - 06:55 PM, said:

That build? It'll melt the core down. Takes some times. It can take 2 Alpha shots max, per game... and after the first, it's a foregone conclusion that the DW will melt. If it misses the first, it's kind of wasting the entire mech.

You can get three, with some care. Really hard to convert the three to three kills, though, because you only have seconds after forcably powering up the third time (and you already used two Cool Shots on the last time).

One kill is pretty much a given, two isn't hard, but target availability matters a lot. Kind of have to plan the whole thing out before you fire your first shot and start the clock... because after the first alpha, you will die. It's just a matter of time.

But yeah... don't miss that first shot, and don't waste it on something stupid. Although really, if you're only getting one kill with your DWF and not at least largely wrecking a couple other mechs, you're kind of wasting the mech anyways.

[Lynx7725]

Wintersdark, on 21 September 2014 - 07:33 PM, said:

But yeah... don't miss that first shot, and don't waste it on something stupid. Although really, if you're only getting one kill with your DWF and not at least largely wrecking a couple other mechs, you're kind of wasting the mech anyways.

Imagine Wave Motion Gunning something like a Locust for your first shot....

[Dauphni]

With the amount of time that Mech is spending over 100% heat, it really shouldn't be able to live much past the first shot...

[SweetJackal]

Uite Dauphni, on 21 September 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

With the amount of time that Mech is spending over 100% heat, it really shouldn't be able to live much past the first shot...

Actually, it can't. It has to expend cool shots to get more than one alpha a game.

Which I suppose is a huge black mark against Coolant Flush in general.

[Lynx7725]

SuckyJack, on 21 September 2014 - 08:00 PM, said:

Actually, it can't. It has to expend cool shots to get more than one alpha a game.

Which I suppose is a huge black mark against Coolant Flush in general.

Nah. It's really against the ridiculous amount of ghost heat generated by that many CERPPC... 467.78 total heat in one go, Coolant Flush is not going to make much of a dent in that.

[Duncan Jr Fischer]

Eddrick, on 21 September 2014 - 06:37 PM, said:

If he had used Overide Shutdown. He would have blown up. But, doing that without Overide Shutdown. He would just be Shutdown for a very long time.

Damage taken from heat when Shutdown is minimal. Its when you Overide Shutdown is when heat damage hurts and can be deadly.

But does this mechanics make any sense?
Heat is heat and it has to damage, it has to affect mech, shutdown or no shutdown.

Sometimes an override for a couple of ML can destroy the last bits of your inner structure, in the video he/she/it fires 9 cERPPC with bright red crit CT and survives.

This video is a proof that the current system (no heat damage until override) is really stupid.
In TT firing 9 ERPPCs in any mech just cooks fries the pilot to ashes. And, by the way, does not guarantee a kill, you can miss all of them or spread the hits over the target.

Edited by Duncan Jr Fischer, 21 September 2014 - 08:27 PM.

[Augustus Martelus II]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 21 September 2014 - 05:49 PM, said:

http://youtu.be/7io0...W7-LkezMuhaJSRQ

The "direstar" a 9 erppc build that works just like the hexastalker did.

Given that the original system was created to stop those mechs and reduce pin point damage (as per Twitter), even though the original mech was a joke just like this one is.

The odd question is how did the mech not explode from heat damage to the CT?

Especially since looking at it on the updated heat simulator 9 clan erppc generates something like 332 heat

OMG my next build!

Still he died after the second shot... still funny how is heatscale bar stay at 100% the whole time

Edited by Augustus Martelus II, 21 September 2014 - 08:22 PM.

[Lynx7725]

Duncan Jr Fischer, on 21 September 2014 - 08:19 PM, said:

But does this mechanics make any sense?
Heat is heat and it has to damage, it has to affect mech, shutdown or no shutdown.

It damages. It just do it a lot faster without a shutdown. IIRC there's a video where a shutdown Dire Wolf eventually melted away.. there's just no way to dump the heat fast enough before the CT internal damage drops the engine onto the ground.

[Monkey Lover]

Here is a battle I just did. I killed one dire because it was in the back but at the end it failed to kill a jag.


270 worth of alpha only got 236 damage .

[Khobai]

Instead of ghost heat they shouldve just hard limited the number of AC10s/AC20s/Gauss/PPCs you could fire simultaneously to two. Thats all that was needed. We never needed ghost heat on other weapons.

[FupDup]

Khobai, on 21 September 2014 - 08:53 PM, said:

...We never needed ghost heat on other any weapons.

Fixed.