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[Fakirzoran]

ninjitsu, on 17 October 2014 - 07:30 AM, said:

Windows 7 will continue to be patched until 2020. http://windows.micro...ndows/lifecycle

No, Extended Support only for Windows 7 Professional.

[Lord Letto]

if you have a Retail boxed version of 7 64 Bit from when you built your current computer I'd say keep it and re use it, if not, then 8.1 it is unless you buy a OEM copy of 7 that's only good for 1 build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.75 @ OutletPC)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 12g Thermal Paste ($16.57 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z97 Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($106.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair SPEC-03 Red ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Thermaltake SMART 750W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Micro Center)
Case Fan: Aerocool Shark 140mm Red 96.5 CFM 140mm Fan ($11.99 @ Directron)
Case Fan: Aerocool Shark 140mm Red 96.5 CFM 140mm Fan ($11.99 @ Directron)
Case Fan: Cooler Master JetFlo 95.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($15.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $605.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-17 13:15 EST-0500

Edited by Lord Letto, 17 December 2014 - 10:50 AM.

[Logan Hawke]

Lord Letto, on 17 December 2014 - 10:16 AM, said:

if you have a Retail boxed version of 7 64 Bit I'd say keep it and re use it:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.75 @ OutletPC)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 12g Thermal Paste ($16.57 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z97 Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($106.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair SPEC-03 Red ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Thermaltake SMART 750W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Micro Center)
Case Fan: Aerocool Shark 140mm Red 96.5 CFM 140mm Fan ($11.99 @ Directron)
Case Fan: Aerocool Shark 140mm Red 96.5 CFM 140mm Fan ($11.99 @ Directron)
Case Fan: Cooler Master JetFlo 95.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($15.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $605.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-17 13:15 EST-0500

Why the sudden jump in Processor power and all the fans?

Edit: The RAM I have is DDR3

Edited by Logan Hawke, 17 December 2014 - 10:44 AM.

[Flapdrol]

Logan Hawke, on 17 December 2014 - 10:44 AM, said:

Why the sudden jump in Processor power and all the fans?

Trying to fill the budget I guess.

If you change your mind about overclocking another option is a Z97 board and a $200 i5 4690K.

If there's money left it can be spent on a SSD.

Edited by Flapdrol, 17 December 2014 - 11:12 AM.

[Logan Hawke]

Flapdrol, on 17 December 2014 - 11:12 AM, said:

Trying to fill the budget I guess.

If you change your mind about overclocking another option is a Z97 board and a $200 i5 4690K.

If there's money left it can be spent on a SSD.

Isn't overclocking bad for your PC if you do it too much?

[Bill Lumbar]

Goose, on 10 October 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

On the far side of the globe, across Teh International Date Line, I think, it's AMD Saturday

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8370E 3.3GHz 8-Core Processor ($194.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright TRUE Spirit 90M Rev.A 39.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($32.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Thermal Compound: Xigmatek PTI-G4512 4g Thermal Paste ($9.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-2000 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Toshiba Product Series:DT01ACA 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: HIS Radeon R9 270X 2GB IceQ X² Video Card ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair SPEC-03 White ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $716.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-10 15:51 EDT-0400

Base Total: $780.91
Promo Discounts: -$20.00
Mail-in Rebates: -$50.00
Shipping: $5.99
Total: $716.90

It's not a gonzo build, honest!

OK; OK: I like the cooler and compound; I payed an extra $5 for 100MHz on the card; The RAM is dinky, but the HDD ain't. But there's no extra fans, and I didn't go looking for "extra" power in the PSU: You have only ~4.3A to spare.

Spoiler

Do remember any AMD build requires overclocking and a good-sized set of tweaks to settings and the user.cfg. You've Been Warned.

Funny you should mention that any AMD build requires OC and tweaks to settings..... BECAUSE THEY IN FACT DON'T.
Sounds like a Intel/Nvidia sales pitch to me.....

I have and run both Intel and AMD... current main gaming rig runs a amd fx 8350. Even at the stock clock I had no issues with running this game on high to very high settings. I have not had to modify anything in config files to do so.

I overclocked my FX 8350 just because I can safely do so to 5ghz, I have a custom loop I put together almost 5 years ago from newegg and the danger den. Spent around $300 to put it together, but it has gone to the next upgraded system I have built with out any further cost to do so.

My main gaming rigs specs, FX-8350 at 5 ghz, ATI XFX 7970 3gb card, very mild overclock on the card, 16 gb of DDR3 1866 ram, 512 GB Samsung pro SSD for main drive/ games and two 4 tb drives for back ups and storage. I am running a Rosewill 750 watt Fortress PSU, and have never had to tweak or mod any of the config files. At High to very high settings, pretty much everything cranked up with all the candy... I get 40-60 fps in normal MWO matches.... with CW out, I am seeing dips into the 25 fps worse case.... but the norm is around 40-55 now. I am running the newest drivers for my 7970, and windows 7 64-bit.

Sure some might have problems with MWO running smooth..... It could be a number of things that are the problem... just because they are running a AMD rig..... is simply NOT the problem. Sell your fan boy statements that are false else where please..... They are BS.

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 17 December 2014 - 12:08 PM.

[Bill Lumbar]

Logan Hawke, on 17 December 2014 - 11:27 AM, said:

Isn't overclocking bad for your PC if you do it too much?

Over clocks can be bad because of two issues..... but mostly come back to one main issue.... HEAT. IF you can keep the heat down on the processor, motherboard, and ram to with in the specs of the CPU or graphics card you are OC, you can safely push it to its max OC, with in reason given the Volts you need to bump up if you run into not being stable at a given OC. Heat kills electronics... keep them cool and you can push the limits safely.

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 17 December 2014 - 12:12 PM.

[Goose]

Bill Lumbar, on 17 December 2014 - 12:06 PM, said:

I have and run both Intel and AMD... current main gaming rig runs a amd fx 8350. Even at the stock clock I had no issues with running this game on high to very high settings. I have not had to modify anything in config files to do so.

[sniff test pass|fail?]

[fail]

[Goose]

Flapdrol, on 17 December 2014 - 11:12 AM, said:

Trying to fill the budget I guess.

…

If there's money left it can be spent on a SSD.

'Letto was illustrating what happens when you skip the SSD, I believe …

[Flapdrol]

Bill Lumbar, on 17 December 2014 - 12:06 PM, said:

FX-8350 at 5 ghz, I am seeing dips into the 25 fps

Yeah, no problems there.

[Smokeyjedi]

Flapdrol, on 17 December 2014 - 12:51 PM, said:

Yeah, no problems there.

LOL you again. Can you honestly tell me that the first few invasion drops werent piss poor performance wise? Until they started to remove dead mech carcasses.......I'm having a sniff test game of my own here........Fail!

[Bill Lumbar]

Flapdrol, on 17 December 2014 - 12:51 PM, said:

Yeah, no problems there.

Not sure where you are trying to go with that.... please explain. If you implying that dipping down to 25 fps is a issue/problem..... yeah I agree it is and can be. However if you are implying or saying that it is a AMD only problem.... you are mistaken, and what you are implying and Goose has stated regarding this = fan boy/fail.

As I have stated very clearly, Before CW dropped and in normal matches we had for over 2 years, no real issues with drop in fps due to my AMD system. After CW dropped and in CW matches, yes some drop in fps on a AMD system, and I am very sure others have had the same issue, on NON Amd systems.... see the connection here? I rest my case

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 17 December 2014 - 01:47 PM.

[Flapdrol]

You can spread misinformation all you want, but all tests I've seen have this game perform much better on modern intel cpu's, because it's not that well multithreaded and intel cpu's have higher per-thread performance. Of course it drops on intel cpu's as well, but not to the same level.

Edited by Flapdrol, 17 December 2014 - 01:51 PM.

[Bill Lumbar]

Misinformation hey? By test that have been done do you mean bench marks? I have seen first hand systems from both Intel and Amd tested real life, by gamers, and a wide ranch of games. Funny how when the test was given, the results they produced, with the players testing each system, could not correctly name the company let alone the parts that was used for the given test rig. If you are suggesting Software test vs. real world and the human eye... sorry that simply equals a failed argument. I am not a fan boy for any company, I simply build and test systems and give feed back as to how they perform, or don't perform.

Further more, I have seen players on here posting their fps are dropping into the low teens, even single digits, just as many I5/I7 intel post's as there are AMD system post regarding this issue/problem. Just as many Nvidia cards used as ATI cards....and same results for some, fps drops that should not be happening. This would suggest it is not a problem for AMD/ATI, or an Intel/nVidia issue/problem alone.... this problem is MWO/cry engine related.

The argument and claims you have made have been debated for many years now.... Tomshareware is one such site that has a lot of fan boys for both sides. It really is laughable that people still buy into all the hype.

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 17 December 2014 - 02:32 PM.

[Logan Hawke]

Umm, can we please not fight about AMD vs Intel? I'm going with Intel because that's what I'm familiar with, simple as that...

[Bill Lumbar]

Logan Hawke, on 17 December 2014 - 03:23 PM, said:

Umm, can we please not fight about AMD vs Intel? I'm going with Intel because that's what I'm familiar with, simple as that...

Didn't post to fight about either of them, just bringing some very simple facts to the very false claim of "Do remember any AMD build requires overclocking and a good-sized set of tweaks to settings and the user.cfg. You've Been Warned. "

This statement only might hold truth if he would of claimed that some AMD systems that are of lower specs then medium to high end need to have tweaks done to allow MWO to play smooth. I think this would also hold true for either brand.

I could really care less which you choose to go with, I am sure if you spec out your system carefully, you will be happy with either brand as a gaming rig. Like I said, I also have Intel rigs, just as happy with either, both depending on specs handle this game just fine, and give one a very smooth experience when playing MWO... well as smooth as can be expected given issues that are MWO related.

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 17 December 2014 - 03:48 PM.

[Goose]

Bill Lumbar, on 17 December 2014 - 03:44 PM, said:

Didn't post to fight about either of them…

For those of you tuning in late: Any AMD build requires overclocking and a good-sized set of tweaks to settings and the user.cfg. You've Been Warned.

[Bill Lumbar]

Goose, on 17 December 2014 - 05:04 PM, said:

For those of you tuning in late: Any AMD build requires overclocking and a good-sized set of tweaks to settings and the user.cfg. You've Been Warned.

You are simply mistaken..... Mine required none of what you claimed to run this game well, and very smooth. It is just laughable that you would still make this very false claim.

[Goose]

Logs or it didn't happen.

[Bill Lumbar]

well that will be a challenge for me to produce.... I have no clue of what or where the config files are for sure... could care less, I have never touched my config files for this game. As for my overclock on my FX8350 at 5 ghz, I did that because I have always overclocked my CPU, Intel or AMD... because I am just into that. Its why I put together a custom loop, and why my CPU stays under 38C even when playing this game, or any other I play. So, are you claiming that my ATI 7970 3 gb also needs tweaks to play this game also? Because even at stock clocks I am able to crank this games settings up and not have issues. It just plays smooth..... As I stated...other then the known issues for this game...not issues for Intel or AMD systems.

I am a gamer, I build custom pc's, I am not going to make false claims to try and sell what my favorite brand is. Who told you this information... the guys at Worst buy, the geek squad?

Funny, just came out of the town hall, a player in there has a higher dollar Intel Rig, I7 and a higher end nVidia card, very nice setup, he asked Russ the question what was the deal with fixing fps claiming he was dipping down into single digits. Keep selling your ideas that Intel is just mind blowing in performance over AMD.

Btw... I am not gonna post the town hall, find it if you haven't already seen it or was there.

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 17 December 2014 - 09:04 PM.