86 replies to this topic

[Eddrick]

I can see why people want to strictly play modes they like.

Personally, I like to keep it on random. It breaks up the monotony of doing the same thing over and over again. Helps, keep things from getting stale.

[WarHippy]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 October 2014 - 07:54 PM, said:

lol. Weird, I knew about it.


Maybe because...oh yeah, I actually check the forums, and thus, voted, and thus have a n actual right to comment. If people can't be bothered to stay informed, sorry, I don't feel sorry for you.

Of course you saw it you almost never leave the forums hence the 18k+ posts so it would only be weird if you hadn't seen it.

[Sovery_Simple]

WarHippy, on 07 October 2014 - 08:07 PM, said:

Of course you saw it you almost never leave the forums hence the 18k+ posts so it would only be weird if you hadn't seen it.

He probably wouldn't care if the entire game died, as long as the forums were still online for him to sit on every day ;3

Also, from another thread

Mystere, on 07 October 2014 - 02:25 PM, said:

Here is a subtle point that people seem to be missing.

If an overwhelming number of people are playing skirmish mode only -- which is what pro-skirmish players seem to be claiming -- then their wait times and/or match quality should not dramatically improve. It is the wait times and/or match quality of the non-skirmish players that should drastically improve.

So why did Skirmish players want this change again? I seriously doubt it's altruism.

Edited by Whoops, 07 October 2014 - 08:09 PM.

[Alex Morgaine]

Having read the first three pages, I suggest to those who skip the OP and post, check page 2. There are a good number of ideas to add to a voting system if we're indeed sick with it whether we like our not. I prefer that +1 vote till you get your match type idea, that could work for map selection in the future.

[Random Wanderer]

I have not seen any measurable proof that this actually gives us a more balanced match experience. I have encountered just as many stomps after this was implemented as I did before. However, I think most people are coming in here and voting yes simply because it says it will improve ELO, and not caring what it has to do to do so. It could be "would you give us all your money, sacrifice your firstborn child, and shove your genitals into a meat-grinder in order to improve ELO" and I believe a large number of people would say yes, because they don't pay any attention to anything other than the words "in order to improve ELO."

This is a very strange method to go about trying to improve ELO: a proper tier system based on player statistics would be far more effective. And this change causes a great many more problems than the one thing it is ostensibly trying to fix. A player in a Dire Wolf could, would, and has suddenly be forced to drop into Conquest, where they are completely useless. The rest of their team will abandon them, and the player will die when the other team comes upon them in a horde.

Along that line of thought, when players find themselves in a game mode that they cannot enjoy, the immediate (and in my opinion, proper) response is to simply not play it. Yet we are threatened with banning if we do so. You call it griefing. I'm sorry, but we are not just logging in and then leaving to try and earn XP or c-bills, nor are we doing it to just laugh at a team who is now short one player. We are legitimately trying to play something we can enjoy, yet you are forcing us to essentially torture ourselves. And if we try to leave so that we can try again to play the game we actually like, you threaten to kick us out forever. We are not griefing people. You, sirs, are griefing us!

Edited by Random Wanderer, 07 October 2014 - 08:13 PM.

[Monky]

I think its fine for group queue, if you are running group queue and you absolutely want conquest for instance, get a private match going. Since it isn't noticeably changing the solo queue, might as well revert it for solo if that trend holds true.

I would like to see a similar system for soft-banning maps. Nothing sucks more than taking a brawler config team to Alpine and its counter-productive for teams that want to practice that way in the group queue as well as uninteresting turkey shoot for the teams that they are paired against. 'build a balanced loadout' is fine and all, but a lot of groups practice specific configs for tournament matches with pre-set maps and can't run the full team in a practice on demand with an opposing team. Running a balanced loadout is fine if the goal is just to josh around in the group queue, but it isn't a one size fits all scenario.

Edited by Monky, 07 October 2014 - 08:11 PM.

[0Carbon0]

tinfoil hat:
error 500 on vote no

[MrThorn]

If you don't like the new system you have several ways of making that known, without breaking the rules.

1. Make your frustration known!
Create a post about it on the forums. Preferable in an already existing thread if there is one.

2. Stop buying!
If you are buying MC or mech packages or whatever, stop doing so. You can combine that with 1.

3. Stop playing!
If you can't get yourself to play in an unliked gamemode, no matter what, then stop playing MWO completly until this is changed. You can combine this with 1. and 2.

What is not an acceptable solution, is to try to force your will, by griefing other players.

**The above is a quote from a post in the Patch Feedback section of the forums**

**It gave me errors on quoting so this is all I could do**

I did not know there was an original vote to begin with. I heard it was only up for a couple of days and not well advertised. This new vote again seems to follow that as being not well advertised and seems to have been placed inside a forum section that folks may not go into very often. It would seem to me a post/vote such as this should have had a link on the launcher and/or the main page of the website. Since it has such a impact to the game-play.
As for the above quote I am planning on doing all three choices. I have voted No to both questions on this poll. I have played MWO since the first day of open beta. I have friends that was in closed beta and have also voted No. I have spent money on this game. I enjoy this game. To have a option of what game mode to play and then for it to not matter what I have selected to play seems very anti-player to me.

1. Why even have a choice to begin with?
2. Why even let me chose a mech, just pick it for me as-well then.
3. Why even pick what weapons I want on it, just pick that for me too.

This is my first forum post that is how much this choice in a feature has upset me. I hope PGI does the right thing and fixes this, or gives us a option to opt in/out of it, or some other choice that allows me to play the game-mode that I have selected to play. I hope PGI and the Community can come to a balance on this issue. Until then I am going to have to leave MWO since it is no longer the game that is what I have come to enjoy playing.

Thanks,
MrThorn

[VanillaG]

If you revert the change, make it so you can only exclude ONE game mode and the rest follow the voting pattern. That way every player/team can be matched in by 2 game modes.

[Darth Futuza]

Nikolai Lubkiewicz, on 07 October 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

Just got off the phone with Russ and we felt it's a good time for us to apply the KISS principle to ourselves and nuke Question 2 for simplicity's sake. If the current question leads to a No, we will bring in a separate poll for the group queue question.

You seem to have broken your poll in the process.

Okay it seems it was just cached data in my browser, false alarm.

Edited by Darth Futuza, 07 October 2014 - 08:15 PM.

[CycKath]

Darth Futuza, on 07 October 2014 - 07:38 PM, said:

The patcher uses an RSS feed and web based content for announcement, adding links to the patcher would be just as simple as emailing, but far less annoying.

The annoyance factor is specifically why I suggested email though. Anything and everything to try and ensure maximum number of people see such big ticket polls.

[Belorion]

I am fine with the way it is...

[Abivard]

The option to vote NO seems to have been disabled. Please fix.

Also, try placing this poll in the actual games front end. Instead of buried among the forum clutter.

[Darth Futuza]

Nikolai Lubkiewicz, on 07 October 2014 - 08:14 PM, said:

*screams* IPBOARD!!!! *runs back in with a ratchet to resolve this*

STAHP!!! I lied it was bad cached data on my end.

Edited by Darth Futuza, 07 October 2014 - 08:16 PM.

[Kiiyor]

Darth Futuza, on 07 October 2014 - 08:13 PM, said:

You seem to have broken your poll in the process.

Okay it seems it was just cached data in my browser, false alarm.

POLL IS DEAD. Long live the poll.

[Valore]

I think the biggest problem this poll faces, is that being forced to play a game mode you don't want is very obvious an annoying, while it is hard to see the benefits being reaped from closer ELO.

If total team ELO was displayed to see how much this measure was helping, I think people would be more willing to accept it.

[Gyrok]

Please un-screw the group queue. Leave it for solo queue if you want...but put group queue back...

Edited by Gyrok, 07 October 2014 - 08:17 PM.

[FinnMcKool]

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[Kilo 40]

WarHippy, on 07 October 2014 - 08:05 PM, said:

If question 1 ends in anything but a landslide it needs to revert to what it was before. You guys changed it because of a poll with a landslide vote, but the vote itself was poorly handled. It is kind of BS to take a simple majority vote for a change after the fact.

so in other words, you still want to be able to complain even if this poll goes against what you want.

[Chilong]

I get an HTTP 500 error when I try to submit my vote.