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[Joe Mallad]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 08 October 2014 - 06:51 AM, said:

Becuse apparently theres a lot of people that dont like conquest and refuse to play it - like me.

i don't mind any of the game modes. My biggest problem is I don't want to be forced to brawl I out in every one of those game modes lol. Which is exactly what happens no matter what. I know that in a MW game its about big robots fighting but a lot of use do also want objectives to take and other things to kill besides mech, Points to be taken and held and so on. And that's just not happening in the game modes that it should be. I for one really like the thought behind conquest and love the idea that points need to be captured but we can still fight it out too. But well over 90% of the time this game mode just turns into the same old meet in this section of the map, everyone brawl it out and maybe try and cap some points at the end of the match for some extra points lol.

People are screaming they don't want to play this game mode or that or don't like this game mode or that. At this point, I don't see why anyone really cares as everyone turns every game mode into a brawl fest anyway.

[Ridir Semii]

Whoops, on 07 October 2014 - 08:23 PM, said:

Just to clarify before anyone gets confused

"Yes" always means you LIKE not picking your game mode.
"No" always means you HATE not picking your game mode.

not true at all, voting yes means you want a fair fight, no means you don't like conquest

[Khord]

I don't post very often, one of the mostly silent minority. But I have to say that this mode sucks for my play. I absolutely HATE conquest mode, and 50% of the matches I played last night were conquest. I asked /all in match for a show of hands on who had voted for conquest a couple times, and only 2 or 3 would respond affirmatively that they had even selected that mode, and most said they had all 3 selected.

Personally, if my games fall into conquest from now on, I am going to leave the match and go play another mech until I get a match that isn't conquest. My team will have to deal with being one down in a mode they chose.

[Gen Joe]

Boyka, on 08 October 2014 - 06:18 AM, said:

I'm a founder, i've bought lot of your stuff including phoenix and clan packages, not only for the mechs (I don't use half of them) but for support a game and a franchise i like.
However I cannot understand why I should be forced to play a game mode i hate, that's not fair in my loyal customer opinion and it's not fair for a lot of loyal players too.

Same here. As I tried to suggest here, there is NO WAY to force small groups of friends, only playing for a bit fun after work and to meet their friends in a shared game, to play against a 12-er Clan lance, well organized, sitting in Teamspeak and playing all together, as well as there is also NO WAY to force people to play modes, that they don't like.

I stopped with WoT, and also will stop play and support MWO, if the dissatisfaction will be greater than the game fun.

[Greenjulius]

After all the complaining from founders and longtime players... I'm tempted to change my vote to No. I hate seeing longtime players be marginalized.

That said, I think the games have been more competitive since the patch, but I will need to drop in solo some tonight to judge how the solo side of things has changed.

Edited by Greenjulius, 08 October 2014 - 07:07 AM.

[Mekwarrior]

I play exclusively skirmish and I'm very unhappy about this, probably I won't play as much anymore.

[Kutfroat]

voted no, i missed the first one. keep in mind a forum poll never represents the majority. in no online game ever the majority looks into the forums. it for sure doesn´t represent the casual masses. a forum poll will only tell you what the competitive/hardcore fans want, and that is not allways the best for a game...like this change.

use common sense...you say you can´t force 3/3/3/3 (what would actually make games better) because you can´t force people to play mech classes they dont like...so please dont force me or anyone else to play a gamemode (skirmish) that i (we) absolutely hate in more than 50% of my games.

the ironic part is...wihtout a "vote system" only 30% of my games would be skirmish...

Edited by Kutfroat, 08 October 2014 - 07:09 AM.

[Lily from animove]

Mekwarrior, on 08 October 2014 - 06:57 AM, said:

I play this game A LOT and I have never complained once about any sort of ELO miss match.

I don't want to sacrifice major choice for a small minority of players that are complaining about minor balancing issues out of all proportion that I don't even think are an issue.

Even if I got matched against a team with higher rating I would see it as a challenge and fun. I play for fun and to learn not just only to win ever game and complain and demand they change the game if I don't.

and already biased again or filled with assumptions.

"I don't want to sacrifice major choice for a small minority of players" where do you take the fact from, that they are a minority of players?

Current voting already shows, its equal her ein the forum, and pobablry the most casual palyers who would prefer better elo instead of choice are not even active in the forum because they are too casual for the forum.

[Mekwarrior]

My point is that removing choice is going to remove players, but allowing choice isn't likely to remove players.


I think more people will leave due to not being able to choose the game type they want to play than would leave because of some minor change to game ELO balance or a few seconds wait time. You know I care so little about ELO I don't even know what it stands for.

Edited by Mekwarrior, 08 October 2014 - 07:14 AM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Yoseful Mallad, on 08 October 2014 - 07:05 AM, said:

i don't mind any of the game modes. My biggest problem is I don't want to be forced to brawl I out in every one of those game modes lol. At this point, I don't see why anyone really cares as everyone turns every game mode into a brawl fest anyway.

Funny given that Ive been playing exclusively LRM mechs since I developed something attached to my ulnar nerve thatr causes screaming pain when using the mouse in direct fire situations and Im now getting slaughtered constantly as your comment suggests I would. If EVERY GAME is a brawl, I should be useless EVERY GAME and Im not. The only time I saw that was facing a LRM heavy team when our side had no ECM so the only way we HAS to defeat that was top get close.

Lily from animove, on 08 October 2014 - 07:06 AM, said:

"I don't want to sacrifice major choice for a small minority of players" where do you take the fact from, that they are a minority of players?

Russ said that the majority doesnt come to the forums earlier in this very thread

[TexAce]

I dunno how big the community is. If pgi can justify losing some players to the change, OK, if not, better don't do anything to lose even more....

[MercJ]

...this whole thing feels like it isn't addressing the real issue.

I'm not even sure who's complaining about queue times or whatever, but are really all under the impression that we'd have a "perfect" round if all of our ELOs matched up? That that is somehow the golden ticket to the best experience in MWO?

I'd love to see the individual ELO scores of those 12-11 nailbiter rounds, compared to the 12-4 or even 12-0 stomps. Do we even KNOW what factors in to a close match in the first place?? I appreciate the complexity of the work done so far, but I'm still not sure (not that it matters) that a win/loss stat can ever be used to match players. Personally, I think map design and having a dropship mode (as well as re-imagining the current game modes) would do much more for having closer matches and improving the game play experience. I have zero background in the subject though, so I'll leave those decisions to those that are paid to do so...

[Mothykins]

Here's the major issue I can see with this poll; There's a large chunk of players who simply don't care what game mode they're dropping in. Players, like me, who never turned off any game modes. For them, this system does nothing.


As for the closer ELO matches? There are some players who have a high score in only Assault. Stick them in other game modes and they flounder. Messes with their ELO. They're used to the closer spawn, so they can take slightly slower mechs, and when the laces are so spread out they're suddenly getting left behind.

[Boyka]

Lily from animove, on 08 October 2014 - 06:33 AM, said:

... but its fair for loyal customers getting stomped by high elo players, where it hardly matters what gamemode they play because they end as grinded meat? Now THAT sounds fair.

You decide to buy a car, you go to a car dealer and order a red car, some day later you return to the dealer and the car is green. Do you retire it?

I'm a good player, not an excellent, a good player, in every match I find people better than me and worse than me. I don't care i have a lot of fun if i play what i want, even if i'm the first to be killed.

Do you remember the time before the introduction of game mode choice? Most of the matches 1-2 people (better case) or more (worste case) leave the game because they don't like it. Do you think now will be different? Why? You can't force people doing what they dont like.

What's the point to have a little bit ELO balance (talking for solo drop like Russ say) if people quit, leaving the team with less players?
And in Group, yes you cannot leave your comrades alone however i personally would feel really pissed having a wrong mech for the game mode or being not able to use some tactic, ambush, etc.. programmed for the match.

Edited by Boyka, 08 October 2014 - 07:19 AM.

[Jolly Llama]

Greenjulius, on 08 October 2014 - 07:05 AM, said:

After all the complaining from founders and longtime players... I'm tempted to change my vote to No. I hate seeing longtime players be marginalized.

That said, I think the games have been more competitive since the patch, but I will need to drop in solo some tonight to judge how the solo side of things has changed.

Change your vote now then, because the vets are the ones that are dropping big money in this game and keeping it going. I have stopped, along with a bunch of other people. I would rather starve this game out of existence than pay to play something that I don't like.

[Mekwarrior]

I am a player that plays exclusively skirmish since that's what I like.

I'd be surprised if there aren't a large number of other players who also enjoy a certain game type also.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Hey Rebas, out of the past 14 posts Im only one, is that better?

[Random Wanderer]

Bhael Fire, on 08 October 2014 - 07:00 AM, said:

My vote is YES.

If losing the ability to choose the game mode means getting better Elo matchings, then I think it should actually be removed entirely.

The game modes simply are not different enough to warrant gross Elo discrepancies.

Why are you people falling for this nonesense? Losing the ability to chose game mode DOES NOT mean getting better Elo matchings! The results shown from this have been minimal, have only been seen to have any effect at all in the group queue, and have brought on a whole host of other problems that are completely unrelated to Elo. This is an unneccessary change. There are ways to get better Elo matches that don't alienate large portions of the playerbase! We wouldn't even have to be having this controversy if they'd just tried handling it in a fashion like most competitive multiplayer games and adopted some sort of tier-based system, rather than trying something bizarre like this.

We can get better Elo without stealing the players' ability to choose, and that is what should be done.

[Mekwarrior]

Game choice is a major feature to loose and only to maybe get some minor tweaks to matchmaking that might even end up worse because of lots of disconnects and fewer players.

[Rasc4l]

I'm sure it's been already said in the thread but how about making the selection possible only for single-queue and use the preference-system for group queue.

-> Noob PUGgers are not whiny about why they don't get what they want

-> Group ppl are already kinda getting what they want (playing with friends) so maybe their dropdecks can adapt to the minor variability of game modes. In group anyway your votes are multiplied so it's much more probable that you're getting the game mode of choice than in single drops.

Edited by Rasc4l, 08 October 2014 - 07:20 AM.