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[Boyka]

GoCanes, on 08 October 2014 - 06:18 AM, said:

I think that the current system is fine if you solo queue, but when grouped you should have the choice of game modes.

There's no DIFFERENCE, GROUP or SOLO drop i wanna play the MODE I PREFER.

[Livewyr]

[Posted Varuca Image]

[-=Heloc=-]

I would also add that the actual outcome of the poll is almost irrelevant. Right now the vote is about 1,000 yes and 900 no. I know that there is some self-selection bias in that the poll only represents players who use the forums but you can assume that it represents some percentage of the total player base.

While I highly doubt that reverting to the previous system will cause any of the players who voted "yes" to leave, I'm certain that keeping things the way they are now will cause some of the players who voted "no" to leave. Even if it's only 10% of those 900, that's still about 5% of the total player population. Multiply that number of players by whatever the average player spends on the game you'll come up with an estimation of lost revenue from this change. Even if the "no" players are the minority, this change has enough negative impact on them to affect your bottom line. I'm not that the change needs to be undone but you're going to need to do something different to placate those players.

[John Mechlane]

Haha! I don't mind playing in any game mode. At least the ppl who never wanna play conquest in my group have no more choice.
This whole change is probably because there are not enough players around to fill up three separate queues with enough people, so the matchmaker can work without problems. That's why the game is searching for about 2 minutes, before throwing you into a terribly unballanced match

[GentlemanBryan]

I do not support the current change (vote NO), but I would support an "objective" game mode. For example if your drop ship crash lands on a planet and all you mechs survive (some may be damaged). You must travel to the other side of the planet/map to reach safety. These types of "modes" is what we should be discussing...

Edited by MAVRICK64, 08 October 2014 - 06:30 AM.

[USMC Iceman]

Also they need to have a server number showing how many people are on playing. This way you can pick your play mode based on the number of players on to make sure you not in the Q for 5 mins.

[L A V A]

Mind you, if capping was actually an option I'd have voted for assuring playing the game mode selected.

I enjoyed playing Conquest and Assault, back in the day.

But since the vast majority of folks around here seem to just want to play heavy/assault death match and PGI catered to their desires by essentially making capping almost impossible, there realistically is only one mode of play... TDM ... Skirmish.

Given that, let's at least level out the playing field.

[Lily from animove]

I don't undertsand entirely what you say


Would you like to keep the game mode voting system as currently implemented?

• Yes - I want the improvement in team ELO differences.
  
• No - I would rather be assured of the game modes I am playing.

improved elo difference? this means bigger difference in elo per group matches? I actually from reading the post thought that the game mode system created bigger elo gaps in the matchmaker than without. now the poll seems to use that logic in reverse. Can someone explain this again for me in some less confusing english please?

anyways I would vote for the system that ensure that Matches have a more elo similar palyer distribution. groupqueue is hard enough for newbies, throwing them together with even bigger fishes is a bad idea.

Boyka, on 08 October 2014 - 06:18 AM, said:

Simply NO!
In my case I hate skirmish mode and I WILL QUIT EVERY SKIRMISH MATCH the matchmaker will put me in after next patch if this system will not be changed.
I'm a founder, i've bought lot of your stuff including phoenix and clan packages, not only for the mechs (I don't use half of them) but for support a game and a franchise i like.
However I cannot understand why I should be forced to play a game mode i hate, that's not fair in my loyal customer opinion and it's not fair for a lot of loyal players too.

And please, MAKE MORE GAME MODE!

but its fair for loyal customers getting stomped by high elo players, where it hardly matters what gamemode they play because they end as grinded meat? Now THAT sounds fair.

Edited by Lily from animove, 08 October 2014 - 06:43 AM.

[Larinzod]

Does it really matter? Everyone plays the game in Skirmish style any way. The only difference is if you want your Skirmish straight up or with a side of Assualt or Conquest.

Almost seems like the people complaining don't like to lose when they played Skirmish in an Assualt or Conquest game and forgot that they can lose to the "side" objectives.

[Sardauker Legion]

English is not my first language. So i will try to be simple, clear and brutal enough to be sure you understand me:

I will NOT allow YOU to force ME to play CONQUEST. Never.
I wil DISCONNECT and try again - again - again - again untill i will play how I want to play.

Today i got 4 consecutive Conquest launch, i had 4 mechs locked ingame and i started with a 5th one.
I'm here for fun, not for work. Playing a gamemode i don't like is no fun.

[Anais Opal]

Niko, the problem with the ELO rating thing, and this has been said many many many many many many many times, is the artificially high ELO new players have.

So, the games may be closer in terms of ELO rating, but absolutely lopsided when it comes to actual player skill.

I'm a veteran, a loooong time veteran, I know the game, maps, modes, Mechs, Loadouts and I sure as hell know how to drive and shoot accurately. I personally don't give two hoots about KDR and care only about doing as much damage as possible and winning, but I digress, my ELO is mid to high by my estimation and I am still continually dropped into ENTIRE lances of new players on the public queue and suffer defeat after defeat as a result, I've specced some of these guys and seriously some of them can't aim/drive and shoot worth a damn.

I DO NOT WANT TO BE DROPPED WITH THESE WASTES OF TONNAGE!

I'd like the matchmaker to 1) take new player/trial ELO as virtually nothing so they drop and train against each other and leave us vets to decent games against players of our own skill level and not have to carry dead weight and 2) Not force me to play conquest which I hate with an absolute passion as I run mostly heavies and assaults.

[Hoax415]

I think it should be group queue only if group queue is the place where it has a massive improvement.

[Belorion]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 07 October 2014 - 08:51 PM, said:

again.... allowing the minority to run the game by polls that not everyone gets to see is an issue

...when it breaks the game (yes the irony is not lost on me that we're now arguing the other side of things)

Or... the No people may have to admit they are in the minority

[PaladinCrow]

I say that if PGI continues with the current system then they should revisit Conquest and Assault game modes. I like the new system and there is no doubt that since they implemented it yesterday I have been in much more evenly matched games.

I am looking at this as an opportunity for PGI to show that they can improve upon past mistakes. Take another poll about how Conquest and Assault modes could be improved and actually follow up on them.

[Mc JR]

IM Bullwinkle, on 08 October 2014 - 06:04 AM, said:

When the modes were conquest and assault, we rejoiced when skirmish was added. When we were given the choice to select game modes we wanted to participate in, we rejoiced at the ability. When that was taken away, we scorn the decision. Polls such as these do not necessarily represent the broad population of players since most recreational; players do not frequent all areas of the forums. Why is it so hard to let the players decide on reward (shorter queue times and even ELO) with control (not having to play a mode they HATE)? If you want to wait less, pick all three modes. If you don't mind waiting a little longer, pick the only modes you want to play. If you really like playing one mode and are neutral about another but hate the third, it shouldn't be hard to build that logic into the matchmaker. My guess is that the matchmaker is such convoluted piece of code (the result of tweaks) that simple logic trees don't work.

This is how it needs to be, if picking 2 modes mean I wait an extra minute or two so be it because I won't have to play the mode I hate, and it doesn't matter what the mode is.

[Schrike]

If you force me to play this game a way I do not want to, I will stop playing it.

[Mekwarrior]

Many players will probably be driven away from playing so often if you can't choose the game mode.

But being able to choose the game mode isn't going to drive players away.

So yes there might be a slight margin for YES but many of the no votes (and many more who don't read the forums) might not play so often anymore.
Where as I doubt anyone will stop playing because they can choose.

So i think choice should be brought back ASAP.

Edited by Mekwarrior, 08 October 2014 - 06:48 AM.

[Anais Opal]

USMC Iceman, on 08 October 2014 - 06:30 AM, said:

Also they need to have a server number showing how many people are on playing. This way you can pick your play mode based on the number of players on to make sure you not in the Q for 5 mins.

Had that in closed beta, it was removed because it would show actual players numbers and surprise, surprise, PGI won't want that information public because its a direct measure of the games performance/playability and player retention. PGI would have you think there as bazzillions of players when in reality there's probably not much more than 2-5000.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Belorion, on 08 October 2014 - 06:36 AM, said:

Or... the No people may have to admit they are in the minority

IF they polled everyone in the game

But they dont have the ability to do that

[Sandtiger]

Schrike, on 08 October 2014 - 06:39 AM, said:

If you force me to play this game a way I do not want to, I will stop playing it.

I completely concur! I WILL NOT play a game where choice is removed from me. I already have a foul taste in my mouth from all the Nerfing that happens in this game. This will be the nail in the coffin.