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[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Roland, on 08 October 2014 - 12:02 PM, said:

It was a poorly conceived idea to begin with.

If your playerbase is too small to support multiple game modes, the answer isn't to force people to play game modes they don't want to play, because you're just gonna drive away what few players you have.

I ken! I ken very well.

+2 sandalwood grips, sir

[Destructicus]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 08 October 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

What you call "screaming" or "whining" etc I call "voicing opinion" and PGI reacting to that I see as "listening"

So what about the people who voiced their opinion in favor of the change? I guess those voices don't matter right?

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Sorbic, on 08 October 2014 - 12:02 PM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...oting-poll-v20/

"So please vote again and I will leave the poll open for at least a week. "

Do I really need to say the quoted response to that?

Im pretty sure it would be regarded as trolling and moderated

[Sorbic]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 08 October 2014 - 12:03 PM, said:

I think you may if you think the forums are that

Going by forum votes and the fact that the majority, of every drop I've been in since the change, have not complained. Sure a minority complained in game, but some praised it. You can't assume what the silent ones think it was bad. We can only go by the information at hand and filling in the blanks with what we want to believe doesn't actually change anything.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Mercules, on 08 October 2014 - 12:02 PM, said:

Because none of those who have dropped hundreds of dollars are in the 52% voting yes on it? What I am basically saying is that if now the other side said, "That is it we are going to stop playing and spending money." PGI recourse, having given in once to the threat is to what? Give in again?

Russ himself told us to use that recourse.

"vote with your wallet" - Town hall Oct 2

Youre mad that ppl took that advice?

[jackal404]

Mercules, on 08 October 2014 - 12:02 PM, said:

Because none of those who have dropped hundreds of dollars are in the 52% voting yes on it? What I am basically saying is that if now the other side said, "That is it we are going to stop playing and spending money." PGI recourse, having given in once to the threat is to what? Give in again?

Go ahead and stop paying then, Mr Elite Founder. Vote with your wallet. If there is enough people who share your viewpoint among that 52%, then you will catch PGI's attention.

Will PGI put the failed Game Mode experiment back - I doubt it.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Destructicus, on 08 October 2014 - 12:07 PM, said:

So what about the people who voiced their opinion in favor of the change? I guess those voices don't matter right?

Wasnt a high enough % to win.

Sorry

Sorbic, on 08 October 2014 - 12:09 PM, said:

Going by forum votes and the fact that the majority, of every drop I've been in since the change, have not complained. Sure a minority complained in game, but some praised it. You can't assume what the silent ones think it was bad. We can only go by the information at hand and filling in the blanks with what we want to believe doesn't actually change anything.

They need to do in game polling if they are going to give the polls the weight theyre looking to give to them. THATS the point Im trying to get across

[MeiSooHaityu]

Sirius Drake, on 08 October 2014 - 11:52 AM, said:

Cry, Force a poll, cry some more, Force early removeing of poll, get what you want.
I guess we just learned an important lesson.

I learned that the community cries too much in general (regardless of what happens).

In any case, pulling the vote system was the right decision. PGI tried something and it didn't work as well as it needed to. They aren't abandoning the issue, just going to try a different potential solution.

As for the minority getting their way. As he stated, they wanted more of a resounding approval. A handful of percentage points one way or another basically states people are split. The old system was deemed BETTER FOR NOW than a system that was underwhelming and problematic.

They will try something else and we will see if it works.

Funny thing, no matter what happened with the voting system, the forums would light up with angry posts anyway (especially so close to 50/50). No matter what, any action is a lose / lose in some peoples eyes.

[Roadbeer]

As I've said elsewhere.

It was a good idea, just plagued with the Hell of Unintended Consequences.

[RG Notch]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 08 October 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

What you call "screaming" or "whining" etc I call "voicing opinion" and PGI reacting to that I see as "listening"

It's only those things when it's a change you agree with for some folks.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Was it removed?

[Sorbic]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 08 October 2014 - 12:08 PM, said:

Do I really need to say the quoted response to that?

Im pretty sure it would be regarded as trolling and moderated

I can't change the fact that you are choosing to ignore the key part of my original statement in that the poll was taken down WAY before it was supposed to be. Sure the %'s might not have changed much but that doesn't change the fact that your original statement was only half correct.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

RG Notch, on 08 October 2014 - 12:12 PM, said:

It's only those things when it's a change you agree with for some folks.

So it seems.

And its only "whining" for the same. LOTTA sour grapes around

Sorbic, on 08 October 2014 - 12:13 PM, said:

I can't change the fact that you are choosing to ignore the key part of my original statement in that the poll was taken down WAY before it was supposed to be. Sure the %'s might not have changed much but that doesn't change the fact that your original statement was only half correct.

They changed their minds

It happens with people.

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 08 October 2014 - 12:16 PM.

[RG Notch]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 08 October 2014 - 12:13 PM, said:

They changed their minds

It happens with people.

You mean it was their position at the time?

[Mawai]

Shredhead, on 08 October 2014 - 11:15 AM, said:

Bullied into submission. Disgusting display of how reactionary this community can be.

B.S.

I actually view it as enlightened leadership.

The premise was that the change would improve Elo matchmaking.

Based on preliminary numbers cited by Russ ( http://mwomercs.com/...me-mode-voting/ ) the change had NO effect and resulted in NO significant improvement in the solo queue. There is thus absolutely NO argument in favour of making players participate in game modes they don't like in the solo queue.

There was a measurable effect in the group queue. It is also possible that the change in the group queue enabled the match maker to more easily match large groups against other large groups. Both of these are positive effects (and PGI should actually cite the telemetry data for these) so it is actually worth considering keeping this for the group queue and that is the question they should be asking since in that case there REALLY are improvements in matchmaking that might justify giving up the ability to choose game modes.

In my opinion, it was an idea worth testing (it would have been nice to do a statistical analysis before implementation to see if it would actually make any difference) but when they found out that it doesn't do anything useful in the solo queue then I think the responsible move is to turn it off and re-evaluate. Kudos to PGI for doing that.


P.S. Someone suggested a 10% cbill bonus for players that select to play all 3 game modes when entering a match. I think this is a great way to encourage participation, possibly create better matches, without forcing folks to play in modes they despise.

Edited by Mawai, 08 October 2014 - 12:18 PM.

[Sorbic]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 08 October 2014 - 12:11 PM, said:

Wasnt a high enough % to win.

Sorry



They need to do in game polling if they are going to give the polls the weight theyre looking to give to them. THATS the point Im trying to get across

OK, I can half agree. Due to the amount of info that topics can contain then in game voting would be bad. However, I can get behind in game notification of a poll.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

RG Notch, on 08 October 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

You mean it was their position at the time?

yussir, but Im trying to be good XD

I mean...


They changed their minds

It happens with people.

Hell it happens a lot when you arent on a forum and expected to take the same stance on something for the rest of your life no matter what evidence youre provided with.

Mindblowing, I know

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 08 October 2014 - 12:16 PM.

[EvilCow]

Sorbic, on 08 October 2014 - 12:13 PM, said:

I can't change the fact that you are choosing to ignore the key part of my original statement in that the poll was taken down WAY before it was supposed to be. Sure the %'s might not have changed much but that doesn't change the fact that your original statement was only half correct.

Yes but probably that has been a good idea, the poll was not going anywhere and the anger level was increasing, doing the same after a week would only have made it worse.

[Zoid]

If you're pissed because you can't choose between deathmatch in one spot and deathmatch in multiple spots, you're an entitled brat and should just go away.

[Hardin4188]

Sorbic, on 08 October 2014 - 12:09 PM, said:

Going by forum votes and the fact that the majority, of every drop I've been in since the change, have not complained. Sure a minority complained in game, but some praised it. You can't assume what the silent ones think it was bad. We can only go by the information at hand and filling in the blanks with what we want to believe doesn't actually change anything.

I don't speak for everyone, but I don't normally complain in game. That is where combat is supposed to occur. Complaining is for the forums and I post more about what bothers me then what I am happy with. If everything is ok people don't post saying "I'm so happy everything is awesome." Most posts on a forum are about complaining about something. Because nothing will change if you are a silent and if you are silent it means you are ok with the way things are.