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[C4-Wolfy36]

Domenoth, on 08 October 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

Protesters need to be allowed to voice their concerns. Rioters need to be punished.

Read my post about not being able to vote.

Civil disobedience is the avenue of those with no voice.

[Dock Steward]

Greywolfen, on 08 October 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

Read my post about not being able to vote.

Civil disobedience is the avenue of those with no voice.

Hot fix was pushed back until tomorrow...apparently.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Dock Steward, on 08 October 2014 - 04:54 PM, said:

Hot fix was pushed back until tomorrow... hopefully.

fixt

[C4-Wolfy36]

Dock Steward, on 08 October 2014 - 04:54 PM, said:

Hot fix was pushed back until tomorrow...apparently.

Thanks for the info man. My vote is to put you in charge.

[Bishop Steiner]

Dock Steward, on 08 October 2014 - 04:54 PM, said:

Hot fix was pushed back until tomorrow...apparently.

so what was todays patch for?

[Dock Steward]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 October 2014 - 05:01 PM, said:

so what was todays patch for?

Bugs

http://mwomercs.com/...-hot-fix-13339a

[C4-Wolfy36]

Dock Steward, on 08 October 2014 - 05:02 PM, said:

Bugs

http://mwomercs.com/...-hot-fix-13339a

And I thought it was just to piss me off. I'm so self centered.

[Bishop Steiner]

Dock Steward, on 08 October 2014 - 05:02 PM, said:

Bugs

http://mwomercs.com/...-hot-fix-13339a

Ah. Useful, thx. Hadn't scrolled thru the site yet.... gotta catch up on mah TV!

[JHackworth]

game design should never be driven by a poll.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

JHackworth, on 08 October 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:

game design should never be driven by a poll.

and yet they should listen when a poll is 9000 to 400 against something

[N0MAD]

Shredhead, on 08 October 2014 - 04:22 PM, said:

Are you a bit confused? There is no council, and people are rightfully upset about how this thing went down. Now stop spewing your hatred, shush!

Would it suprise you that there is indeed a Council with their own private litle forums ?,, now shush let the grown ups talk.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

N0MAD, on 08 October 2014 - 05:45 PM, said:

Would it suprise you that there is indeed a Council with their own private litle forums ?,, now shush let the grown ups talk.

Goons?

No wait, Secret Squirrels! They have to have their own forum!

[C4-Wolfy36]

N0MAD, on 08 October 2014 - 05:45 PM, said:

Would it suprise you that there is indeed a Council with their own private litle forums ?,, now shush let the grown ups talk.

It's nice to see you took your moron pills this morning nomad

[Roadbeer]

N0MAD, on 08 October 2014 - 05:45 PM, said:

Would it suprise you that there is indeed a Council with their own private litle forums ?,, now shush let the grown ups talk.

[Roadbeer]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 08 October 2014 - 05:52 PM, said:

No wait, Secret Squirrels! They have to have their own forum!

First rule of Secret Squirrels is: You don't talk about Secret Squirrels

[N0MAD]

1453 R, on 08 October 2014 - 04:41 PM, said:

Wow.

Just wow.

It's been many moons since I've seen a pile of dung this stanky, man...

May I ask, Nomad, who it is you expect to provide player feedback and suggestions, if "the forumites" are all an evil batch of Machiavellian masterminds attempting to warp and twist MWO to their own nefarious ends?

And may I also remind you, while you crusade most blindly for the Rights Of The People, that you are a forumite yourself? Guess that means your opinion's a totally ignorable minority too and Piranha shouldn't pay it any heed!

So what was dung about the post?
The part about the first poll being only voted by Forumites with only roughly 1300 of the people who frequent the forums knowing about it and voting.?
The part about when it was put on the Front page and the whole community was aware being a very different result with over twice the participation?
The part about the huge difference in numbers and result that showed that the Forumites opinion was vastly different then when the general populace got a chance to view what was going on?
Because lets look at facts...
A poll is run on the forums with no info about it given out to the public (who don't visit forums or social sites) and you have 1300 people vote and a 70% vs 30% result, obviously the opinion of the forum population..
A second poll is run but this time the general public is informed thru an announcement in the MWO front page, here we see 2800 people vote in 1 day with roughly a 50/50 split.
You can obviously see that the first poll was not indicative of the opinion of the general populace, which makes sense since only dedicated Forumites were in the know.
This surely indicates that info gathered in the forums is not a true representation of the opinions of the general populace, it just shows that the Forums are just a loud minority that is outa touch with the opinion of the General populace.
If PGI wants info from the population then they should poll the entire community via means that includes the community as they did with the announcement in the main MWO start screen.
No one said that the Forumites are evil, just that their view is obviously not the view of the general public as demonstrated by the second PUBLIC poll.
You are quite right i am probably a forumite (altho my post count doesnt measure up to those whos post counts tally into the thousands if not 10s of thousands) so am i saying listen just to us? no, im saying involve the entire community.

[Domenoth]

Greywolfen, on 08 October 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

Read my post about not being able to vote.

Civil disobedience is the avenue of those with no voice.

I can't find your post so I have no way of knowing if you are trying to say that TK'ers and disconnectors where practicing civil disobedience.

If you are:

Civil disobedience when done correctly is very powerful. One very important tenant is that when it's all said and done, ensure that anyone looking on can find nothing that you've done to be reproachful. Expose the violent and repressive nature of those you are disobeying against. The massacre of women and children in India by British soldiers is an example of a government completely in the wrong.

Were the TK'ers and disconnectors attacking the repressive regime of their fellow players? You know who I mean, the people they actually hurt with their antics. With everything they did, when viewed by an impartial bystander, can they claim to be blameless?

Did they, in fact, have no voice and therefore need to resort to civil disobedience? Voting with your wallet not count as a voice option? Leaving for a day and letting the population drop not count as a voice option?

This is the MWO forums so I have to add that my conclusion is that no, they did not have the right to practice civil disobedience and what they practiced was not civil disobedience though they would like, and have tried to, classify it as such.

Edit:
They acted selfishly and want to use anti-PGI sentiment as an excuse for their actions.

Edited by Domenoth, 08 October 2014 - 06:40 PM.

[N0MAD]

Greywolfen, on 08 October 2014 - 06:09 PM, said:

It's nice to see you took your moron pills this morning nomad

When you have no intelligent comment revert to insults, a true and tested interwebs method for the feeble minded.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Roadbeer, on 08 October 2014 - 06:10 PM, said:

Hey Beer, do you remember where it was that the devs said the timeline was suspended?

[MischiefSC]

A sample size of 600+ is plenty, that gets you better than 5% margin of error. Any poll with more than 1,100 samples is sufficient to represent a population of 10,000 to millions in a binary topic like this. If you don't believe me google 'representative sample size'. At 2k or more responses you're at a margin of error of 2% or less in a population like MW:O.

The real issue isn't the poll - the real issue is CW.

How do we keep 48% of the game out of CW? If having to play a game mode you don't like is enough to send almost half the player base into fits so severe they're apparently emotionally crippled from it and will have a lifetime of PTSD to look forward to if they have to play the wrong mode for several matches per day what's going to happen when in CW they have to take a mech they don't like or a planet needs defended in a mode they don't want to play in?

A guy who quits/drops/DCs/runs out of bounds/suicides or whatever in PUG matches is a complete and total jackwagon. In CW where win/loss actually means something these sorts of feebs need to be out of the equation entirely or else we're going to have 'Oh noes! We need to defend Hesperus II from the Wolves! We lose that and we lose access to a lot of mechs/resources/goodies!' "Sorry, I can't. I don't like that map and in defense I might have to drop in a Conquest gamemode. Also I can only play Heavies or I break out in hives. If I do end up in a Conquest match I have to go to weeks of therapy to get over the crushing distress I get into. I have to have complete control over every match I play in or else I go into fits and end up crying in a corner, rocking back and forth and waiting for the terrible, terrible memories to fade". 'So you're saying you're pretty much completely worthless and can't be counted on for anything that could be considered adversarial or challenging in a game about combat and adversity.' "Yeah, pretty much. One sec, my moms bringing me my afternoon lunchable."

I get that not having game mode selection is too much for some people to handle in pugs. You can't have anything like that in CW however; otherwise all you'll have is people playing offense (where you pick the location) and nobody playing defense and endless streams of tearful, agonized posts of the life-destroying horror of having to play a Medium or end up in a game mode/map you don't like and how terribly cruel and unfair it is.

If someone needs an environment like that or a 'ladder ranking system' they need to stick to very basic pistol/shotgun/rifle/grenade games with respawn and such where that sort of ranking system works and the combat balance mechanics are simple enough to support it. MW:O is supposed to be a far more complex environment and adapting to situations you can't control are a big part of that.

Edited by MischiefSC, 08 October 2014 - 06:46 PM.