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[FrontGuard]

Shields Top or Left or Right or Front or Back.
Shields that absorb damage depending on the current charge.
Shields, recharge when you stop.

Dig it
Dig it Now

[Andi Nagasia]

im sorry but no,
this is Mechwarrior not halo,

also having shields would make the game more of a shoot and hide game then a giant robot fight,
Assault would end up never dieing against anything but assaults, and lights and mediums would go extinct,

[FrontGuard]

Andi Nagasia, on 08 October 2014 - 06:36 PM, said:

im sorry but no,
this is Mechwarrior not halo,

also having shields would make the game more of a shoot and hide game then a giant robot fight,
Assault would end up never dieing against anything but assaults, and lights and mediums would go extinct,

I do not play halo, dont care about halo
dont be sorry, be correct
It is already a shoot and hide game... wake up
Shields would add depth and coolness

[The Black Knight]

FrontGuard, realize that MechWarrior, and the Battletech universe it exists in, is a long established brand and universe, like star trek or star wars. Like those universes some things exist in them and some things don’t. Shields do not exist in the Battletech/MechWarrior universe with the one exception being an energy shield barrier used on one planet to allow people to watch mech combat in a gladiatorial arena setting. This energy shield is a massively complex and stationary system WAY too big to fit on a mech. So if you want energy shields on your mech this is the wrong game and the wrong game universe for you.

[Andi Nagasia]

Black Knight is right, such things wont or cant work in this universe,
now a non lore reason it most likely wont or cant work,

FrontGuard, on 08 October 2014 - 06:42 PM, said:

It is already a shoot and hide game... wake up
Shields would add depth and coolness

maybe at long range but at close range there is brawling,
the catch is as it is now, two mech's playing pika boo, one will eventually die,
do to the damage they take pika booing,

with shields your ganna pika boo, shoot wait till shields are full, then repeat,
matches will be much longer, because true damage isnt being dealt,

also we have giant fighting robots blasting each other with cannons missiles and lasers,
that's what the BattleTech universe is all about, i don't think we need Shields to be cool,

[Flu-Epidemic]

Goes to show FrontGuard may have not played the previous BT/MW games. This ain't about coolness, just like what Andi says.

[Hoffenstein]

Shields aren't cool, real men slab 19 tons of armour plating to their walking taco-stand!

[David Makurai]

No No No Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Shields, thats Mech Warrior

[Kalimaster]

About the only Shield I've seen comes as part of the Hatchman which also holds a huge ax. It is a physical item, like that used by the Romans. But as far as energy based shield technology, while it would be cool, is not part of the myth and lore of Mechwarrior or the Battletech universe. Sorry dude.

[Defender Rococo Rockfowl]

FrontGuard, on 08 October 2014 - 06:26 PM, said:

Shields Top or Left or Right or Front or Back.
Shields that absorb damage depending on the current charge.
Shields, recharge when you stop.

Dig it
Dig it Now

Let me be blunt:
This "shields" idea is terrible.
The worst ever.

[Eddrick]

No!

This
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Large_Shield
And this
http://www.sarna.net...le_Field_Damper
Are the closest you get

Large Shield is a metal shield like out of the age of midevil knights.

Blue Shield Particle Field Damper is a temporary force field that protects against PPCs.

[Nothing Whatsoever]

No, not energy-based / energy using Shields like that; there is the Blue Shield Particle Field Damper that might be plausible to see in the future for MWO, but not any time soon.

I'd rather see existing Mech Geometry (such as how Phoenix Variants have extra bits) get some positive quirks for having parts of hit boxes looking like 'shields' on them maybe, but that'll be the extent for shields in MWO I figure.

[Darth Futuza]

I would like to see bases getting shields and you have to blow up a power converter/station in order to disable the shield and get to the base though...

[The Massive]

Actually hand wrote that link also. Because no.

[Defender Rococo Rockfowl]

Eddrick, on 09 October 2014 - 06:54 PM, said:

No!

This
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Large_Shield
And this
http://www.sarna.net...le_Field_Damper
Are the closest you get

Large Shield is a metal shield like out of the age of midevil knights.

Blue Shield Particle Field Damper is a temporary force field that protects against PPCs.

Thanks for the links.
That tech is over three years out, so still NO

[MarineTech]

[Koniving]

FrontGuard, on 08 October 2014 - 06:26 PM, said:

Shields Top or Left or Right or Front or Back.
Shields that absorb damage depending on the current charge.
Shields, recharge when you stop.

Dig it
Dig it Now

Andi Nagasia, on 08 October 2014 - 06:36 PM, said:

im sorry but no,
this is Mechwarrior not halo,

also having shields would make the game more of a shoot and hide game then a giant robot fight,
Assault would end up never dieing against anything but assaults, and lights and mediums would go extinct,

To mention it.
www.sarna.net/wiki/Blue_Shield_Particle_Field_Damper

Quote

In 3051,[1] the Federated Commonwealth started development of the Blue Shield Particle Field Damper, a defensive system that would reduce damage from PPCs. The New Avalon Institute of Science produced its prototype in 3053. While the field damper did shield the equipped unit from PPC fire, it was also notoriously unreliable in ground units. After roughly a minute of operation, the dust and other miscellaneous debris it sucked in began to adversely affect the operation of the damper, eventually resulting in shutdown of the system.[2] To delay this problem, MechWarriors are known to shut down the Blue Shield if there are no enemy units wielding PPCs, reactivating it if a PPC-equipped foe arrives.

Game Rules

In game terms, the Blue Shield occupies one critical slot in each location (excluding the head in BattleMechs), and weighs three tons. All standard-scale PPC damage (including Support PPC fire) is reduced by half (rounded down) to a minimum of one point.[2][1]
When mounted on a ground unit, the Blue Shield can only operate without error for a total of six turns of play. After that, there is a chance that the system will fail. On turn 7+, the controlling player must roll 2D6. If the roll is less than (2 + # of turns past 6) the system fails. For example, on turn 10, the Shield Damper will fail on a roll of 6 ( 2 + (10-6=4)) or less. The Blue Shield can be activated or deactivated in the End Phase of any turn. If a Particle Field Damper runs for three turns and is then deactivated, note that the system only has three turns of error-free operation left -- deactivating the system doesn't restart the BSPFD's error-free state at 0.
If an active Blue Shield suffers a critical hit, the system immediately fails, and inflicts five points of damage on the area that was hit; this damage is treated the same way as an ammunition explosion. CASE will affect this explosion normally. Inactive Blue Shield critical slots that are damaged are destroyed, with no explosion.[2][1]

With experience in fighting a Blue Shield with absolutely no knowledge of it within a Battletech Campaign, I have to say unless you're using PPCs, zero cares are given against said shield. Switch to lasers / ballistics, etc. Not always an option due to mech builds. Though I must admit in the four mech free for all, the Warhammer in the fight was all but screwed with us fighting double blind in the fire and smoke.

Then again I feel for the Annihilator. Immediately gyro-critted and unable to stand within the first 20 seconds of combat, then left there with the ejection system jammed for more than 5 minutes (30 turns), trying so hard to kill himself off because in his position he can't see anything of the fight except the burning forests, billowing smoke and collapsing trees in grid hex 00391 (which doesn't tell you much).

[Tarriss Halcyon]

....MechAssault. That is the only game series in Battletech that I can think of that incorporated shields, barring the protective barrier on Solaris. And even then, the only mech that had shields was Ymir/Ragnarok. Sure, you could make an argument for the reflective/ballistic armor types, but they're more than ten years out.

Again, as people have said, Blue Streak and the metal shields are probably the closest you're going to get. Metal shields would likely only come into play with the addition of melee weaponry, if they ever come, and would only be compatible with specific mechs - namely, IS mechs with hand actuators, the same as the melee tech itself. Blue Streak is three years away.

In summery, the suggestion of shields is either a troll, or a MechAssault player wanting his Lava Gun-toting abomination.

[LiGhtningFF13]

Shields?! Don't make mechs too untouchable please!

[Redshift2k5]

Praetor Knight, on 09 October 2014 - 07:11 PM, said:

No, not energy-based / energy using Shields like that; there is the Blue Shield Particle Field Damper that might be plausible to see in the future for MWO, but not any time soon.

I'd rather see existing Mech Geometry (such as how Phoenix Variants have extra bits) get some positive quirks for having parts of hit boxes looking like 'shields' on them maybe, but that'll be the extent for shields in MWO I figure.

The Centurion's left arm, which features 'shield plate' geometry, has some extra health in the form of 10 bonus armor on the left arm. I don't think any other mechs have armor shaped explicitly to act as shielding (I don't think the Jager's fins count in this case) but such quirks are possible.

It won't be on the Pheonix variant "bike racks" because that would be pay-to-win. It would have to apply equally to C-bill variants to be fair.

Edited by Redshift2k5, 11 October 2014 - 11:58 PM.