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[ninjitsu]

Newegg used to sell a Rosewill silver thermal compound that had a brush on applicator like nail polish. I love the stuff! I've still got some but I haven't seen them sell it for a while

Gelid GC extreme comes with a little plastic applicator but I wasn't very fond of it.

[Toiletbrush]

truth is that mwo uses cryengine,and it is nvidia optimised
amd cards have trouble with particles (ex.omg,it lags when im in caustic walley smoke,or when i use flamers on the ground)and what not
you can use any cpu,its the gpu that gets you(or not)

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Toiletbrush, on 15 October 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

truth is that mwo uses cryengine,and it is nvidia optimised
amd cards have trouble with particles (ex.omg,it lags when im in caustic walley smoke,or when i use flamers on the ground)and what not
you can use any cpu,its the gpu that gets you(or not)

Ignore.

[Toiletbrush]

DV kenny,you should try relaxing more
try joga

[ninjitsu]

The game isn't optimized to any particular brand of hardware. You're just being silly now.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Toiletbrush, on 15 October 2014 - 01:30 PM, said:

DV kenny,you should try relaxing more
try joga

Before posting advice like it's a fact you should actually understand what your talking about.

What you said is wrong on the GPU front; and pretty much the polar opposite on the CPU front.

The game is CPU bound; and Intel plays the game better because they offer better per core performance

[ninjitsu]

Even the dev's say the game is CPU bound. It's way off the wall to try and tell people that CPU's don't matter for the game.

I recently compared the performance of my machine to somebody with an FX CPU and a GTX 980. I've got a an Intel i5 and a Radeon 6950 video card. I averaged 58 FPS. He averaged 45. So my Intel CPU with an $80 video card averaged higher FPS than an AMD cpu with a $500 video card. If that's not CPU bound then I don't know what is.

Edited by ninjitsu, 16 October 2014 - 09:16 AM.

[EnzyteBob82]

Not to hijack this thread, but ive been having similar issues as the OP. I have what I consider to be a pretty decent rig. My little brother's is running 8-9 year old tech and gets smoother gameplay than I do. Long story short, I have a 500GB Samsung SSD and a GTX 970 on the way in the mail. After reading this however, I'm thinking that my processor is the issue.

Here are my current specs, running game on medium settings, 1080p on 40" Phillips 120hz LED TV. It is playable, but stutters like a son of a *****. Couldnt give you the FPS, but when im aiming, the recticle does not move anywhere near smoothly.

Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3
Phenom II x4 970 BE, stock
16 GB, 1866 RAM dual channel, quality stuff, just forget the brand
MSI HD 6950 2 GB unlocked to 6970
Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black 7200rpm, 64 MB cache I believe.

I know I should have gone Intel at this point, but I bought into the hype of Bulldozer a couple years back and thought this setup would be perfect to throw one in when the time came.


The basics of my little brothers comp, which is basically whatever old parts I give him, lol. He runs the game on low, and at 1600x900 or 1100 if that sounds right on a monitor thats not capable of 1080p. That being said, my rig had issues on the same monitor, so Im pretty sure its hardware based.

ASUS M2NE-SLI
Athlon x2 6400 BE
4 GB ram, dual channel, again forget the specs, but good ****
Generic 7200 rpm hard drives, no clue about the cache
GeForce 6800 GT 512MB

Anyhow, I thought that the issue was my hard drive and my card (not being nvidia, as my brothers was). That does not seem to be the case. I guess I do have the tools to put this SSD debate to rest, however, lol.

Anyhow, is my 6950 bottlenecked by my Phenom? Should I consider OC'ing it?
Or should I just slap in a 8350?
Or should i return the SSD and Vid card and just get a new board and an Intel?

I'm leaning towards just keeping everything and going for the over clock or 8350. This way, my brother will inherit a viable machine when Its time for a new mobo CPU. It also saves me from having to purchase another copy of windows. Seems about $750 no matter what. $600 if the over clock does the job.

Is there a strong argument for going to Intel sooner?
Either way, my brother is getting some new ****, hahahaha

Edited by EnzyteBob82, 16 October 2014 - 12:53 PM.

[ninjitsu]

EnzyteBob82, on 16 October 2014 - 11:55 AM, said:

Not to hijack this thread, but ive been having similar issues as the OP. I have what I consider to be a pretty decent rig. My little brother's is running 8-9 year old tech and gets smoother gameplay than I do. Long story short, I have a 500GB Samsung SSD and a GTX 970 on the way in the mail. After reading this however, I'm thinking that my processor is the issue.

Here are my current specs, running game on medium settings, 1080p on 40" Phillips 120hz LED TV. It is playable, but stutters like a son of a *****. Couldnt give you the FPS, but when im aiming, the recticle does not move anywhere near smoothly.

Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3
Phenom II x4 970 BE, stock
16 GB, 1866 RAM dual channel, quality stuff, just forget the brand
MSI HD 6950 2 GB unlocked to 6970
Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black 7200rpm, 64 MB cache I believe.

I know I should have gone Intel at this point, but I bought into the hype of Bulldozer a couple years back and thought this setup would be perfect to throw one in when the time came.


The basics of my little brothers comp, which is basically whatever old parts I give him, lol. He runs the game on low, and at 1600x900 or 1100 if that sounds right on a monitor thats not capable of 1080p. That being said, my rig had issues on the same monitor, so Im pretty sure its hardware based.

ASUS M2NE-SLI
Athlon x2 6400 BE
4 GB ram, dual channel, again forget the specs, but good ****
Generic 7200 rpm hard drives, no clue about the cache
GeForce 6800 GT 512MB

Anyhow, I thought that the issue was my hard drive and my card (not being nvidia, as my brothers was). That does not seem to be the case. I guess I do have the tools to put this SSD debate to rest, however, lol.

Anyhow, is my 6950 bottlenecked by my Phenom?
If so, should I slap in a 8350?
Or should i return the SSD and Vid card and just get a new board and an Intel?

Either way, my brother is getting some new ****, hahahaha

My video card is very similar to yours. I can get a pretty constant 50-60fps with my i5 4670k, even at stock speeds.

Personally, I'd get off of AMD as quickly as possible.

You can use MSI afterburner to see if your video card is getting maxed out or not.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

EnzyteBob82, on 16 October 2014 - 11:55 AM, said:

Not to hijack this thread, but ive been having similar issues as the OP. I have what I consider to be a pretty decent rig. My little brother's is running 8-9 year old tech and gets smoother gameplay than I do. Long story short, I have a 500GB Samsung SSD and a GTX 970 on the way in the mail. After reading this however, I'm thinking that my processor is the issue.

Here are my current specs, running game on medium settings, 1080p on 40" Phillips 120hz LED TV. It is playable, but stutters like a son of a *****. Couldnt give you the FPS, but when im aiming, the recticle does not move anywhere near smoothly.

Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3
Phenom II x4 970 BE, stock
16 GB, 1866 RAM dual channel, quality stuff, just forget the brand
MSI HD 6950 2 GB unlocked to 6970
Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black 7200rpm, 64 MB cache I believe.

I know I should have gone Intel at this point, but I bought into the hype of Bulldozer a couple years back and thought this setup would be perfect to throw one in when the time came.


The basics of my little brothers comp, which is basically whatever old parts I give him, lol. He runs the game on low, and at 1600x900 or 1100 if that sounds right on a monitor thats not capable of 1080p. That being said, my rig had issues on the same monitor, so Im pretty sure its hardware based.

ASUS M2NE-SLI
Athlon x2 6400 BE
4 GB ram, dual channel, again forget the specs, but good ****
Generic 7200 rpm hard drives, no clue about the cache
GeForce 6800 GT 512MB

Anyhow, I thought that the issue was my hard drive and my card (not being nvidia, as my brothers was). That does not seem to be the case. I guess I do have the tools to put this SSD debate to rest, however, lol.

Anyhow, is my 6950 bottlenecked by my Phenom? Should I consider OC'ing it?
Or should I just slap in a 8350?
Or should i return the SSD and Vid card and just get a new board and an Intel?

I'm leaning towards just keeping everything and going for the over clock or 8350. This way, my brother will inherit a viable machine when Its time for a new mobo CPU. It also saves me from having to purchase another copy of windows. Seems about $750 no matter what. $600 if the over clock does the job.

Is there a strong argument for going to Intel sooner?
Either way, my brother is getting some new ****, hahahaha

Hehe super long post.

As Ninjitsu pointed out leaving AMD in the CPU sense behind if this is your main game is going to yield better results.

Graphics card designer (AMD/Nvidia) does not matter.

Using the SSD you have ordered will prob ably yield you some form of gain as hopefully your sensible enough to do fresh installs of OS and contents; you should have no bloatware or wear and ttear of th drive.

What it won't allow you to do is say go from low settings to very high or medium to high as has been pointed out a SSD does not have any computational power.

The phenom II line as good as they were are old world tech and many improvements especially on the Intel side have been made.

Personally I would look to go intel before changing GPU.
The 6970 is a good card.

[EnzyteBob82]

I'm cloning the old drive as we speak. I had nothing on the thing except MWO and windows which was a fresh install a month ago. I don't even browse the internet with this machine (use the ipad for that) and it gets defragged every other day. Was it a bad move to clone? I didn't think it would be too bad, but as you can see, my tech level is garbage these days.

Do you think over clocking the Phenom has a shot? I've got a decent air cooler and could probably get it up to 3.7-3.8 from the stock 3.4 before going to liquid from what I've read. No interest in doing liquid however.

[ninjitsu]

I'd aim for 4ghz if you can manage the meat for the processor.

Going form a mechanical drive to an SSD, a fresh install of Windows is preferable.

[bar10jim]

I might be mistaken, but you probably should do a fresh Windows install. Windows doesn't use the a swap file on the drive when it is installed on a SSD. Continually writing/rewriting a swap file to HDD is no problem, doing the same to an SSD can per-maturely wear out the drive.By cloning the drive, it may treat the SSD as a HDD and use written swap files.

Edited by bar10jim, 16 October 2014 - 05:05 PM.

[EnzyteBob82]

well.... som *****.......I'll wipe it and start over then.

On the plus side, I got the old processor up to 3.9 using the catalyst software. Before I did the OC, I ran it with just the SSD and noticed a marginal improvement. Stuttering almost gone on Medium. Threw it on High with the OC and SSD and it still wasnt playable at that level. However, it was much. much nicer on Medium with the OC. Gonna push for 4.1 ish once I'm back from wiping this drive.

[ninjitsu]

Keep an eye on your heat! The thermal threshold for PhenomII chips is 62c.

[EnzyteBob82]

Hardware monitor showed it at 59* during a windows experience index test. I gained an extra .2 with the overclock, lol. 7.3 to 7.5, woooo! The hard drive went from 5.6 to 7.7! Ran several MWO games in a row and 58* was the max before that.

Hardware monitor also showed that I was maxing CPU with 2 cores at 100% and the other two at 94% and 96%.

The GPU also showed that it had hit 100%, but I don't know if it was WEI or the game that caused it.

I know WEI is not a good test, I'm going to run Prime once it's all up and running again. Is the Catalyst software good for overclocking? Or should I stick with f'n with the bios?

[Goose]

I'm guessing these might come in handy?

http://www.tomshardw...ium,2366-8.html

http://www.tomshardw...ck,2267-14.html

[Catamount]

bar10jim, on 16 October 2014 - 05:04 PM, said:

I might be mistaken, but you probably should do a fresh Windows install. Windows doesn't use the a swap file on the drive when it is installed on a SSD. Continually writing/rewriting a swap file to HDD is no problem, doing the same to an SSD can per-maturely wear out the drive.By cloning the drive, it may treat the SSD as a HDD and use written swap files.

This is a bit of a sidetrack, but Windows actually will put a page file on an SSD. Windows 10's new install on this machine has an 8GB page file running, and W7 did before. There's also nothing wrong with that. The page file is read heavy, not write heavy, and doesn't represent a real threat to an SSD. In fact, Microsoft's own developers recommend you put your page file on your SSD

http://blogs.msdn.co...drives-and.aspx

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Should the pagefile be placed on SSDs?


Yes. Most pagefile operations are small random reads or larger sequential writes, both of which are types of operations that SSDs handle well.
In looking at telemetry data from thousands of traces and focusing on pagefile reads and writes, we find that

• Pagefile.sys reads outnumber pagefile.sys writes by about 40 to 1,
  
• Pagefile.sys read sizes are typically quite small, with 67% less than or equal to 4 KB, and 88% less than 16 KB.
  
• Pagefile.sys writes are relatively large, with 62% greater than or equal to 128 KB and 45% being exactly 1 MB in size.

In fact, given typical pagefile reference patterns and the favorable performance characteristics SSDs have on those patterns, there are few files better than the pagefile to place on an SSD.

Yes, it will insignificantly increase the rare of flash wear, but it takes a long time for that to really become a problem. In fact, I've seen developers state that in testing with SSDs, they usually encountered controller failures or other generalized failure before flash wear actually became any kind of issue. In short, the drive suffered normal death before flash became an issue.

Edited by Catamount, 17 October 2014 - 07:04 AM.

[EnzyteBob82]

Thank you both Goose and Cat for the info.!

I wiped the drive already, restarted. Was able to get the processor stable at 4.1 and its smooth as butter at medium now.

However, the processor is now maxed again and I would like to be playing at high settings for sure, since thats what my vid card is capable of. Long story short, ordered a FX 8350 this morning. That coupled with the GTX 970 should do nicely.

I'll be going Intel when DDR4 and 32 GB of ram is a thing, but this should hold me over until then, no?

Edited by EnzyteBob82, 17 October 2014 - 01:57 PM.

[Catamount]

I would say yes