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[KraftySOT]

And as a side note, complaints from the DoD or JCOS about logistics makes me want to move to Cuba and become a red.

You know the arsenal of democracy supplied the world and the British empire fought on a hundred different fronts...all without the aid of a computer.

Come the **** on. Get your **** together.

[Bishop Steiner]

Metus regem, on 20 October 2014 - 12:00 PM, said:

I'm part of that complex... making the world a little safer, one advanced weapons system at a time!

The Fusion system developed recently actually bumps up a couple of ideas we've been working on here, finally a good enough power source, that is almost small enough...

Not American, just a Canadian, less than 150 KM from PGI

Paul working as part of the military Industrial Complex WOULD explain his complete inability to grasp working weapons balance......

[KraftySOT]

Bishop Steiner, on 20 October 2014 - 12:03 PM, said:

But questionable pork barrel project after another have oddly...done very little to make the world a safer place I think empirical data shows, lol.

I dont know, some people have argued that were actually living in the most peaceful, least violent time in the history of man. Which by their accounts seems legit.

But am I the only one with the sinking suspicion that may change in the distant or not so distant future?

[Bishop Steiner]

KraftySOT, on 20 October 2014 - 12:03 PM, said:

And as a side note, complaints from the DoD or JCOS about logistics makes me want to move to Cuba and become a red.

You know the arsenal of democracy supplied the world and the British empire fought on a hundred different fronts...all without the aid of a computer.

Come the **** on. Get your **** together.

Skynet dude. It's coming. And we wont even see it buried under Yottabyte of bureaucratic red tape, pork, and other crap!

[Metus regem]

Bishop Steiner, on 20 October 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

As for Spooky, while effective in theater at what it does, the nature and design is actually severely less versatile, and it's cost to maintain and airfield requirements are significantly higher than the A10.

Oh very much so, but that's what happens when you take a transport plane and give it more guns than some cruisers have...

The funny thing is, the AC-130 has a longer range than the A-10, and a much higher psychological effect than the A-10 enjoys, but that is to due with how the two craft operate, an operator in the field should almost never see the A-10 unless it's performing A.S.P., while the AC-130 can be seen in the air, and due to the radar profile, can be written off as a C-130 Hercules...

[Bishop Steiner]

KraftySOT, on 20 October 2014 - 12:06 PM, said:

I dont know, some people have argued that were actually living in the most peaceful, least violent time in the history of man. Which by their accounts seems legit.

But am I the only one with the sinking suspicion that may change in the distant or not so distant future?

Depends. Am I the only one who is wondering (considering connections certain countries like Nigeria has) if there might not be more behind the Ebola crisis than "meets the eye"?

[KraftySOT]

I dont know, theres only a few people who have ever been on the receiving end of an A-10, and theyre all generally in the same part of the world.

If "The Highway of Death" wasnt a pop culture talking point over there id be surprised. The AC130 seems to have more of a psychological effect on friendlies, boosting their morale, than the other way around.

Most of the VICE guys implanted with ISIS, when they ask about that kind of stuff, they get the usual "Come down and fight us like men you cowards!"...so I think its a general rallying cry about the "unfairness" of asymmetrical warfare.

Bishop Steiner, on 20 October 2014 - 12:08 PM, said:

Depends. Am I the only one who is wondering (considering connections certain countries like Nigeria has) if there might not be more behind the Ebola crisis than "meets the eye"?

Possibly. But I thought Ebola was something we dealt with before...maybe im thinking of Swine Flu or Bird Flu or some other random pandemic.

When they have some crazy thing ive never heard of and thats why everyone has to be in their homes by 9...then its probably "It time".

[Metus regem]

KraftySOT, on 20 October 2014 - 12:06 PM, said:

I dont know, some people have argued that were actually living in the most peaceful, least violent time in the history of man. Which by their accounts seems legit.

But am I the only one with the sinking suspicion that may change in the distant or not so distant future?

From what I see and here, we are actually in an extremely violent time... the 80's were more peaceful....

now with things starting to line up for my company, I just may start to push for building a test model of the http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Marksman_M1

Got most of the tech worked out, just need to figure out how the make a Gauss Rifle with a shorter charge time... and make it cost effective.

[Bishop Steiner]

KraftySOT, on 20 October 2014 - 12:11 PM, said:

I dont know, theres only a few people who have ever been on the receiving end of an A-10, and theyre all generally in the same part of the world.

If "The Highway of Death" wasnt a pop culture talking point over there id be surprised. The AC130 seems to have more of a psychological effect on friendlies, boosting their morale, than the other way around.

Most of the VICE guys implanted with ISIS, when they ask about that kind of stuff, they get the usual "Come down and fight us like men you cowards!"...so I think its a general rallying cry about the "unfairness" of asymmetrical warfare.



Possibly. But I thought Ebola was something we dealt with before...maybe im thinking of Swine Flu or Bird Flu or some other random pandemic.

When they have some crazy thing ive never heard of and thats why everyone has to be in their homes by 9...then its probably "It time".

Bio Warfare. The ultimate asymmetrical warfare for religious fanatics who think "God" will save them from their own short sightedness. Of course, the end result probably won't be much different than the shortsightedness of the "Godless" west, either. But If I'm going to test weaponizing something like Ebola..the stupid thing is they always in fiction have ti tested in western population centers. Most inconspicuous place to test it for deployment would be somewhere that another outbreak barely turns a head.

Not saying it IS happening, but with the current climate of the world, ISIS; Russian Expansionism, Communist Epeen issues and Western arrogance? (amongst an exhaustive list of other destabilizers)

Just saying I would be having a very serious look at it.

[Appogee]

Quirks + Weapons Modules is going to make for some seriously Min/Maxed builds.

Yes, it will return some under-used Mechs to the field. But I still think it'd be better to have a balancing framework, which applied the same rules to Mechs equally, than a Mech Variant Recipe Book.

But that's just my personal preference.

EDIT: Oh, sorry, I thought we were talking about the quirk system here

Edited by Appogee, 20 October 2014 - 12:18 PM.

[KraftySOT]

Well see from my perspective the 80s were far more violent. ****, crack, NYC was a ghetto, I grew up in southern california and it was a hell hole. Country was in recession unless you worked in an office. There were crazies on the streets. A cold war on. Belgians back in the Congo. Cuba is rattling sabres.

I guess that kind of stuff is always going on.

But when you read letters and accounts of life in just say...1930...it sounds harsh. Considerably more so than now. And as you go back...1860....1820...1503...768...some big pivotal years...and its constant ****, genocide, conquest, famine, plagues, living in dirt and dying of tooth decay, with people being pretty horrible towards each other.

For at least 3 billion people on this planet. We can just wake up. Take a shower. Go to work. Not be killed or whipped...go home. Eat food on an electric stove under an electric light, and not be afraid of our neighbor coming barrelling through the deer skin pelt we call a door with an axe.

I think theres been some serious improvements.

I mean in the 1600s you had not one, not two, not six, but eight separate genocides by advanced nations.

The 20th century only had one by an advanced nation, and two by minor powers. (that would be Turkey, and Cambodia, with a strong finger waging at the Hutus and Tutsis.)

Progress lol

I think....

Edited by KraftySOT, 20 October 2014 - 12:22 PM.

[AlmightyAeng]

Appogee, on 20 October 2014 - 12:17 PM, said:

Quirks + Weapons Modules is going to make for some seriously Min/Maxed builds.

Yes, it will return some under-used Mechs to the field. But I still think it'd be better to have a balancing framework, which applied the same rules to Mechs equally, than a Mech Variant Recipe Book.

But that's just my personal preference.

EDIT: Oh, sorry, I thought we were talking about the quirk system here

You're about 14 pages too late, bro

Here's the thing, though. How would you balance it within the framework PGI already has? Please, tell us. Because PGI doesn't have the time or money to build a new system from the ground up. That's just a reality.

[Metus regem]

KraftySOT, on 20 October 2014 - 12:19 PM, said:

Well see from my perspective the 80s were far more violent. ****, crack, NYC was a ghetto, I grew up in southern california and it was a hell hole. Country was in recession unless you worked in an office. There were crazies on the streets. A cold war on. Belgians back in the Congo. Cuba is rattling sabres.

I guess that kind of stuff is always going on.

But when you read letters and accounts of life in just say...1930...it sounds harsh. Considerably more so than now. And as you go back...1860....1820...1503...768...some big pivotal years...and its constant ****, genocide, conquest, famine, plagues, living in dirt and dying of tooth decay, with people being pretty horrible towards each other.

For at least 3 billion people on this planet. We can just wake up. Take a shower. Go to work. Not be killed or whipped...go home. Eat food on an electric stove under an electric light, and not be afraid of our neighbor coming barrelling through the deer skin pelt we call a door with an axe.

For a truly peaceful world, we have to take humans out of the equation, conflict is in our nature... or we just need to really look into selective breeding to change that part. I mean we spend generation selectively breeding conflict into our race, no reason we couldn't breed it back out right?

[CDLord HHGD]

Appogee, on 20 October 2014 - 12:17 PM, said:

Quirks + Weapons Modules is going to make for some seriously Min/Maxed builds.

Yes, it will return some under-used Mechs to the field. But I still think it'd be better to have a balancing framework, which applied the same rules to Mechs equally, than a Mech Variant Recipe Book.

But that's just my personal preference.

EDIT: Oh, sorry, I thought we were talking about the quirk system here

No we're not. We've successfully derailed this topic for the betterment of all mankind.... It shall not go back to that free cake hating place again!

[KraftySOT]

And even industrialized mistakes...like Mao or Stalins famines...

They killed a huge number of people, but still less than 10% of their entire population.

In the 1820s, when Russia had a famine, it lost 45% of its entire population.

Life is surely getting better...I just hope im going before it swings back the other way before taking a big lurch forward again.

Metus regem, on 20 October 2014 - 12:22 PM, said:

For a truly peaceful world, we have to take humans out of the equation, conflict is in our nature... or we just need to really look into selective breeding to change that part. I mean we spend generation selectively breeding conflict into our race, no reason we couldn't breed it back out right?

Genetics and Eugenics. Not a bad place to start. So long as you dont start defining who the "parasites" are. Thats a slippery road lol.

I think people just need to grow and live in safety. There will always be crime...but its weird...after you travel the world, get an ipad, drink with someone from another country, listen to their music, eat their food....youre reaaaaaaally hard to convince when it comes time to kill that person.

So I have big hopes for that "type one civilization"....after we have another good round or two of world wars

[Appogee]

Ghost Badger, on 20 October 2014 - 12:22 PM, said:

...PGI doesn't have the time or money to build a new system from the ground up. That's just a reality.

They clearly have the time to implement individual quirks on literally dozens of variants.

So they would also have the time to implement a different framework/system, if they wanted.

It's not as if clever community members haven't already written up some excellent framework ideas which would enable a move away from ghost heat, "less than double" heat sinks, pinpoint damage, magic ECM and the other bandaid design decisions that they've been trying to apply new bandaids over since closed beta.

Anyway, I am prepared to see how it pans out. Generally speaking I would prefer a system of design rules than an arbitrary "everything is unique" approach.

Edited by Appogee, 20 October 2014 - 12:32 PM.

[Metus regem]

KraftySOT, on 20 October 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

And even industrialized mistakes...like Mao or Stalins famines...

They killed a huge number of people, but still less than 10% of their entire population.

In the 1820s, when Russia had a famine, it lost 45% of its entire population.

Life is surely getting better...I just hope im going before it swings back the other way before taking a big lurch forward again.

I think we need too, as a race we've hit a point where we cannot sustain ourselves in our environment much longer... So let's get started by doing in the politicians and lawyers?

[KraftySOT]

cdlord, on 20 October 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

No we're not. We've successfully derailed this topic for the betterment of all mankind.... It shall not go back to that free cake hating place again!

Seriously, after about four attempts to just try and logically spell out to them why their rage is impotent...I realized that if you just derail into an intelligent philosophical conversation...

THEYLL GO THE **** AWAY.

Because the last thing they want is to have an intelligent conversation.

[Bishop Steiner]

Appogee, on 20 October 2014 - 12:17 PM, said:

EDIT: Oh, sorry, I thought we were talking about the quirk system here

Your bad.

Unless you want 30 more pages of back and forth bickering saying the exact same things, in new and not so original ways?

[KraftySOT]

Metus regem, on 20 October 2014 - 12:27 PM, said:

I think we need too, as a race we've hit a point where we cannot sustain ourselves in our environment much longer... So let's get started by doing in the politicians and lawyers?

Hunter S Thompson would agree with that lol.

I think we just need to think about how we live. I live in a hip town, surrounded by hipsters...and even though those people are terrible in every way imaginable...ive learned to appreciate that they actually give a **** about the planet.

Though its the only thing they seem to give a **** about. Jobs. Bathing. Not important apparently.

But id like to believe that were shifting that way...that we realize were not environmentally, philosophically, economically, viable...when it comes to the long term survival of the human race, and the parts of the human race that are worth suviving (our altruism, compassion, joy, love, etc)