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#61 Lily from animove

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Posted 18 October 2014 - 03:52 PM

View PostMcguire, on 18 October 2014 - 03:47 PM, said:

Clearly what I was thinking at post and what everyone got from this where two things, One person seemed to get it. My failure to explain clearly makes me seem to be an elitist I am not however that shallow. What I was trying to convey is simply this mech the maddog isn't anything special in game its actually much like a catapult but what it does have is name recognition so if it where a reward only mech perhaps those who only play for free and let others support the game would stand up and throw some cash down and support Pgi to help make a better game, clearly I shoulda said just that and not tried to sugarcoat it to avoid the flamers and trolls. In the future I will be more clear on these things. Thank you all for your thoughts on this I appreciate all comments good and bad. Enjoy the game


Nothing special? 6srms6 + a bunch of CERML want to disagree with you.

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Posted 18 October 2014 - 03:57 PM

Isn't there a (I) Mad Dog with 30% cbill bonus? That version is only available as a reward so theres that. I don't really see the need but if PGI really wanted to then next time they could make the reward mech be a hero version and then the only way to get it would be to buy the packs or spend MC on it. But keeping a entire chassis behind a pay wall forever... Nah.

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Posted 18 October 2014 - 08:01 PM

View PostAbisha, on 18 October 2014 - 07:45 AM, said:

how about a resettle?
those pilots earn something special, for instance special color laser beam


they get the free colours, have a special Mad Dog prime (I), get it nearly a half year before anyone else. Get a mad dog badge... and many other things.

Yep, Nothing special here.

View PostAndi Nagasia, on 18 October 2014 - 11:27 AM, said:

the Reward Atlas(to my knowledge) will be rewarded to only those who support the game,
i think thats fine, because its only a variant, your saying to lock a whole mech,
that i would have to say no, as it would face backlash and problems,

from players- wanting to own the iconic MadDog,
from Pgi- MC sales to buy the MadDog in December,



Coming out for MC and C-bills soon along with the king crab and centurin AH...

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Posted 18 October 2014 - 08:33 PM

View PostLily from animove, on 18 October 2014 - 02:52 PM, said:


because the sphere

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watch "event horizon" if you are 18+ and the truth shall reveal to you.


Oh good lord, Event Horizon.

Great movie. :P

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Posted 18 October 2014 - 09:10 PM

So you are saying the Mad Dog should never be allowed to be available for c-bills because it is to powerful and everyone would be running around in them.... I just want to be sure I understand your post before I complete my judgement in how stupid your logic is.

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Posted 18 October 2014 - 11:03 PM

View PostMcguire, on 18 October 2014 - 03:47 PM, said:

Clearly what I was thinking at post and what everyone got from this where two things, One person seemed to get it. My failure to explain clearly makes me seem to be an elitist I am not however that shallow. What I was trying to convey is simply this mech the maddog isn't anything special in game its actually much like a catapult but what it does have is name recognition so if it where a reward only mech perhaps those who only play for free and let others support the game would stand up and throw some cash down and support Pgi to help make a better game, clearly I shoulda said just that and not tried to sugarcoat it to avoid the flamers and trolls. In the future I will be more clear on these things. Thank you all for your thoughts on this I appreciate all comments good and bad. Enjoy the game

One. Word Salad. This is painful to read, and it's not helping your case. Lean to use the enter key and break that paragraph down into something readable. Also, punctuation. Please. This is not a chat, this is not a race. Take your time, type it out, use grammar.

Two; Locking a Chassis as a "Reward only" club special is something that this game never has done, and never should do. As a cash spending fellow, you are getting custom geometry, one of a kind Camo, one Hero Version, early access to the chassis, plus everything else you paid for.

Do you know the "Waaah, I'm being offered free cake but I want PIE" garbage that was being thrown at fellows wanting a slightly less pigeon holed quirk system?

Yeah, you're actually at that level.

Except it's not just that, it's more "I'm getting Cake for free before anyone else is allowed to even buy it, but I want No one else to ever get this cake. Ever." This is selfish entitlement. You are already getting an Invasion 'Mech that no one will ever get without having paid. As well, If you have it you're getting not just it, but the custom King Crab, Atlas, and that Centurion more than likely as well. How is this not enough?

What they're giving you are reward only 'Mechs. Done. You're in your club. Glee.

Three. Even with your butchered attempt at English, your meaning came across clearly. Lock the 'Mech so that only you and people with deep pockets can have it. One; This is a free to play title. All parts and classes contained within it should be free to play. What you are suggesting would be like Team fortress saying "Well, if you want to play the Scout, you'd have to have bought this pack from us, at this time, for $300" Or, more comparable, LoL saying the same about ooooh, Cho'Gath.

Not at all fair.

Also, your explanation, that it's "Just a Clan Catapult, no big deal?" Yeah, that'll balance really well in CW. The Clan Missile support 'Mech being a very limited chassis that not a single person could get without having spent a whole ton of money on at one specific time. Seems bad.

Four: The Cash only, name recognition, PGI supporting 'Mechs are known as "Hero 'Mechs" and are already a large part of this game.


It seems to me that you are, quite actually, just very entitled. Maybe you should work on that while you attempt to learn some grade school grammar?

Edited by Cavale, 18 October 2014 - 11:04 PM.


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Posted 18 October 2014 - 11:27 PM

View PostMcguire, on 18 October 2014 - 05:23 AM, said:

After thinking about this for a week I've come to the conclusion this mech should never go C-bills.
I look to the direwolf as proof that all those who hate clan must have changed there minds because it is everywhere now making that mech feel cheap. The maddog isn't an Op mech actually the arms fall off if its looked at the wrong way but it feels good playing it since its in a club of sorts, Im not playing on ego here or anything just saying anything that costs real cash should stay that way., imagine if you bought a hero mech the one you always wanted and suddenly a few weeks later everyone had it? just because they have time to play and farm free C-Bills. I'll end with Thanks for reading Enjoy the game (Its getting better guys/gals) See ya on the battle field.



First of all, WHY ARE WE CALLING THEM REWARDS.

They are NOT a reward, there is no achievement you can unlock that gets you "reward" mechs. Last I checked, you were PURCHASING an item, not being "rewarded" with an item. They are PURCHASED mechs.


Secondly, no. The Direwolf is 18 million c-bills, come on. I see timberwolves everywhere and you can't buy them with cbills yet.

I.E.

The premise is false.

Thirdly, every mech in the game is free outside of Hero/Champion and Founders/Invasion Mechs. Invasion mechs are just clan founders mechs.

That's how it's always been and for VERY good reason.

The clan mechs were always advertised as being pre-order invasion get it EARLY mechs. So the argument "Imagine if you bought a hero mech, the one you always wanted and suddenly a few weeks later everyone had it" is flawed. Hero mechs aren't free, and were never advertised as being free. Also "everyone" has a Madcat already, and they aren't available for C-Bills yet, so I don't really understand the logic. Putting a mech behind a paywall doesn't stop it from being a popular mech, it just forces people to spend money to get it, which is bad for business.

Fourthly -- if I always wanted a specific mech, lets say Direwolf for example -- you purchasing a direwolf does not diminish my need/want to pilot one. There is literally ZERO correlation. I couldn't careless if everyone piloted a direwolf other than what that would say about it's balance.

So yeah, that's absolutely 100% all ego talking. You want to be in some sort of "exclusive club" that isn't even exclusive, it just cost money.

I don't understand this mentality. If spending money makes you feel good, okay -- but just look at how many people bought madcats with cash. They are in every match I play, usually 4 or 5 of them, so what's that say about commonality even behind a pay wall, it means your club is still very open, and very big, and very NOT SPECIAL.

Unique is bad for GAMEPLAY. Last I checked it was a GAME so gameplay should be front and center. NO CHASIS SHOULD EVER BE LOCKED BEHIND A PAY WALL. If they ever were, those mechs would automatically be banned from competitive private matches and actually act as DISSERVICE, since any time piloting that mech is basically for naught unless you're a strictly casual player. In which case, why are you dumping boatloads of money into "Shiny Special" mechs in the first place?

It makes no sense, and reeks of "I wanna be special" types of entitlement. Let the ego go, if the Maddog isn't out of line, you'll see it turn up in the same proportions as all the other mechs do once it's not longer the brand new hotness.

This is like LoL when they release a new champion, it's popular until the next one comes out. So cry about it because you stupidly spent money on it, and you wish you could take it back for some reason just because other people have it too.

Literally makes ZERO logical sense.

Edited by Laokin, 18 October 2014 - 11:30 PM.


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Posted 19 October 2014 - 01:13 AM

View PostMcguire, on 18 October 2014 - 05:23 AM, said:

After thinking about this for a week I've come to the conclusion this mech should never go C-bills.
I look to the direwolf as proof that all those who hate clan must have changed there minds because it is everywhere now making that mech feel cheap. The maddog isn't an Op mech actually the arms fall off if its looked at the wrong way but it feels good playing it since its in a club of sorts, Im not playing on ego here or anything just saying anything that costs real cash should stay that way., imagine if you bought a hero mech the one you always wanted and suddenly a few weeks later everyone had it? just because they have time to play and farm free C-Bills. I'll end with Thanks for reading Enjoy the game (Its getting better guys/gals) See ya on the battle field.


No No and fucken Hell no way ever.

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Posted 19 October 2014 - 01:51 AM

View PostMcguire, on 18 October 2014 - 05:23 AM, said:

After thinking about this for a week I've come to the conclusion this mech should never go C-bills.
I look to the direwolf as proof that all those who hate clan must have changed there minds because it is everywhere now making that mech feel cheap. The maddog isn't an Op mech actually the arms fall off if its looked at the wrong way but it feels good playing it since its in a club of sorts, Im not playing on ego here or anything just saying anything that costs real cash should stay that way., imagine if you bought a hero mech the one you always wanted and suddenly a few weeks later everyone had it? just because they have time to play and farm free C-Bills. I'll end with Thanks for reading Enjoy the game (Its getting better guys/gals) See ya on the battle field.


View PostAUSwarrior24, on 18 October 2014 - 05:32 AM, said:

I don't know about you, but I'm currently rather annoyed that my 'Pre-order' Timber Wolf is now being run about by pretty much everyone and is still available for purchase. If I had known it wasn't going to be unique, then I wouldn't have touched it.


Your reward is simply early access to the mech, if you don't think the offer is worthwhile for whatever reason(s) (which is understandable, I sure as hell don't think it is) then don't hand over your money.

No sympathy at all, especially not for people that want an entire mech chassis as exclusive content.

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Posted 19 October 2014 - 01:57 AM

View PostNightshade24, on 18 October 2014 - 08:01 PM, said:


they get the free colours, have a special Mad Dog prime (I), get it nearly a half year before anyone else. Get a mad dog badge... and many other things.

Yep, Nothing special here.




Coming out for MC and C-bills soon along with the king crab and centurin AH...


not talking about a mech color.
but weapon color example, all LRM+Lasers they shot will be dark red

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Posted 19 October 2014 - 02:14 AM

Really people? This again?

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Posted 19 October 2014 - 02:43 AM

View PostViktor Drake, on 18 October 2014 - 06:20 AM, said:

Dire Wolves suck first of all and I am not sure what that has to do with the Mad Dog.

Also we see lot of the same Clan mechs, especially the Dire Wolf because quite frankly there are only 8 Clan mechs in the game and the Dire Wolf is the only Clan assault currently released for C-bills. Once the Warhawk gets released I am sure we will see more of them. Hell when the finally get around to releasing the Gladiator, Executioner, Kingfisher, Turkina and maybe some of the second line Assaults like the Kodiak, I can pretty much guarantee you won't be seeing only the Dire Wolf as a Clan assault.

Same goes with the Mad Dog. As a 60 ton heavy that is only semi good, I guarantee you they aren't going to be as common as the Timber Wolf, Hellbringer, Night Gyr, Cauldron Born when they all make it out.




Oh oh oh oh!!! did someone say Kodiak?!! where! where is it?? Tell me damn ye!!!

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Posted 19 October 2014 - 02:49 AM

View PostMcguire, on 18 October 2014 - 05:23 AM, said:

After thinking about this for a week I've come to the conclusion this mech should never go C-bills.
I look to the direwolf as proof that all those who hate clan must have changed there minds because it is everywhere now making that mech feel cheap. The maddog isn't an Op mech actually the arms fall off if its looked at the wrong way but it feels good playing it since its in a club of sorts, Im not playing on ego here or anything just saying anything that costs real cash should stay that way., imagine if you bought a hero mech the one you always wanted and suddenly a few weeks later everyone had it? just because they have time to play and farm free C-Bills. I'll end with Thanks for reading Enjoy the game (Its getting better guys/gals) See ya on the battle field.


I agree that the paintjob on your Vulture (+ whatever Cbills perks, if any) needs to be paid with cold hard cash - just to keep it in a club of sorts.
Otherwise the chassis itself should be able to be obtained via Cbills.

Cheers.

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Posted 19 October 2014 - 02:56 AM

View PostAUSwarrior24, on 18 October 2014 - 05:32 AM, said:

EDIT: The reaction to this was predictable, and I see where others are coming from and why that it'd never work, but it's sad people immediately brought this back to 'He just wants to feel special'. I don't know about you, but I'm currently rather annoyed that my 'Pre-order' Timber Wolf is now being run about by pretty much everyone and is still available for purchase. If I had known it wasn't going to be unique, then I wouldn't have touched it.

Though that's a variant. I suppose it's a whole different story for entire chassis- perhaps just unique variants, maybe not full chassis then.

Clans run a zillion Timberwolves during the invasion in BT canon because it's one of the few omnis they can all produce, and in this game everyone who can afford to buy a mech can own it, so honestly what did you expect?
I have the Mad Dog and I would love nothing more than to see everyone else have access to it too, there's not much fun in fighting people who have fewer equipment options available, it makes them more predictable.

Edited by Satan n stuff, 19 October 2014 - 02:57 AM.


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Posted 19 October 2014 - 03:55 AM

I'll say it again:

Unique variants should stay unique.

Chassis should not be unique, they should be available to all, minus the unique variants.

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Posted 19 October 2014 - 04:00 AM

If PGI made the Mad Dog "pay £360 or gtfo" my reply would be "uninstall".

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Posted 19 October 2014 - 04:14 AM

View PostMcguire, on 18 October 2014 - 03:47 PM, said:

Clearly what I was thinking at post and what everyone got from this where two things, One person seemed to get it. My failure to explain clearly makes me seem to be an elitist I am not however that shallow. What I was trying to convey is simply this mech the maddog isn't anything special in game its actually much like a catapult but what it does have is name recognition so if it where a reward only mech perhaps those who only play for free and let others support the game would stand up and throw some cash down and support Pgi to help make a better game, clearly I shoulda said just that and not tried to sugarcoat it to avoid the flamers and trolls. In the future I will be more clear on these things. Thank you all for your thoughts on this I appreciate all comments good and bad. Enjoy the game

No, everyone clearly "got" your post and saw it for the self-centered claptrap that it was. Especially when you give statements such as:

Mcguire said:

imagine if you bought a hero mech the one you always wanted and suddenly a few weeks later everyone had it? just because they have time to play and farm free C-Bills.

You wanted to feel "special" for spending hundreds of dolors to get a Mad Dog. However, once the Mad Dog is available to the general population for C-bills, you will no longer be "special". So you come up with this lame argument that others should pay the big bucks too to acquire the Mad Dog to so as to protect your own specialness.

Edited by Farix, 19 October 2014 - 04:17 AM.


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Posted 19 October 2014 - 04:18 AM

I have a Mad Dog, and I say:

F*CK NO.

That Mech was one of the most used in all the Clans Tourmans, it was and is one of the most well know mech.
You already have the Invasion version of it who give you a c-bill bonus.
Same for me.

THAT alone should make you special enought.

The rest of the people will also have the prime variant, but with out the C-Bill bonus.

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Posted 19 October 2014 - 04:22 AM

View PostWolfways, on 19 October 2014 - 04:00 AM, said:

If PGI made the Mad Dog "pay £360 or gtfo" my reply would be "uninstall".

And you'd be right to do so.





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