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[Chemie]

I think a lot of ppl saying it is "about the same" are driving their new Atlas/Centie and forget they pay 30% extra

[Mcgral18]

Chemie, on 22 October 2014 - 05:08 PM, said:

I think a lot of ppl saying it is "about the same" are driving their new Atlas/Centie and forget they pay 30% extra

I've been getting similar or greater (including a new record) in short range StormCrows.

No Cbill bonus there.

[Chemie]

Mcgral18, on 22 October 2014 - 05:20 PM, said:

I've been getting similar or greater (including a new record) in short range StormCrows.

No Cbill bonus there.

try a light...without TAG

[LT. HARDCASE]

Seems like the only people okay with it are the light and medium pilots?

[Kageru Ikazuchi]

Kevjack, on 22 October 2014 - 05:42 PM, said:

Seems like the only people okay with it are the light and medium pilots?

Maybe because before, lights and mediums were under-rewarded for their contributions, and because of this, more and more people started driving heavies and assaults. In turn, the tonnage and firepower imbalance drove up the arms race.

Over time, no one brings mediums or lights, unless they're masochistic or in a group of seven or more, because (in general) for bigger 'mechs the rewards were better.


PGI's original vision for role warfare was that the impact, effectiveness and rewards for each weight class would be basically equivalent, so that we don't get that "heavier is better" imbalance.

Now, with changes to the cap timer and a different reward system, it seems like they're trying to reward something other than the 12-mech deathball (which will always be a good strategy on skirmish ... maybe not as much on conquest and assault).

It will be interesting to see if four fast 'mechs flanking can win in the Planetary Assault game mode, while the other eight 'mechs stall a 12-mech deathball long enough to prevent them from acheiving their objectives in time.

[Wintersdark]

KraftySOT, on 21 October 2014 - 04:56 PM, said:

Yeah you really have to work the new system, but people are also posting 450k matches.


I think this is great. Its definitely a hit to people not playing "the right way" but a clear advantage to those who play the way the rewards intend to reward.

So this is a huge thing.

To all the people getting low returns, fix what youre doing because its broke. Theres alot more cbills up for grabs now.

This. It's easy to get decent rewards even in a loss; you just need to adjust how you play. The thing is, playing to earn more now leads to generally better play. It's hard to exploit the new reward system in a negative manner.

[I_Garrosh Hellscream_I]

[Shalune]

Dazzer, on 22 October 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

well with admitadlly just a quick look at the posted rewards details , I think for assults :-

They are the following damage based rewards that seem to be written for assults :-
Kill Most Damage:
Killing Blow:
Solo Kill:
Brawler:

Then they is the following that should be usable for assults :-
Lance Formation:
TAG Damage:(no reason an assult can not carry a tag)
TAG Kill:(no reason an assult can not carry a tag)

many of the others are hard due to an assults speed but some may be doable for a good player Flanking for instance.

I am suprised that they do not have one rewarding assults and heavys for protecting lighter mechs. They have ones for us Med staying near the assults , it is strange that the assult do not get a equal one for staying near the Med's

Assault mechs are not eligible for brawler bonuses. "

• Get a "Solo Kill" in between 0 and 450 meters distance to the target.
  
• Be in a medium or heavy 'Mech."

Encouraging non-spotters to carry TAG to game a broken system is a horrible idea.

[Xetelian]

Vezm, on 22 October 2014 - 04:34 PM, said:

I havn't seen it proven that you can do 500dmg and make 29k. FTR, my SS proves you need to do almost nothing to get such low earnings.

I posted a screen shot that I'm not posting again. It was 35,000 with 504 damage.

[orcrist86]

make of this what you will

first is a defeat in a spider with ecm, the second a hero mech





This is a low paying win



The only thing I can conclude from all my other 200k wins and losses is that its not the damage or the kills, its the way you play. But again, do your own interpretation.

[Jun Watarase]

Desolator, on 21 October 2014 - 08:41 PM, said:

This is considerably less, I would have earned a lot more in the old system.

If you are in a light or medium you should be playing conquest. Skirmish and assault is all about assaults camping with the largest guns. You would get MUCH more rewards from capping, not to mention you get to live longer as there is less blobbing on conquest. Also a single TAG dramatically increases the rewards you get.

Getting 90k on a loss in a light or medium is ridiculously easy even with mediocre damage done on conquest.

[Christof Romulus]

All of the following are done in the AS7-S
















Nothing spectacular in 16 games, but money generation sure doesn't appear to be 'broken' from my sampling.

[Eboli]

Wintersdark, on 22 October 2014 - 07:11 PM, said:

It's hard to exploit the new reward system in a negative manner.

LRMs...

Cheers!
Eboli

[Troutmonkey]

I earn a little bit more on my wins, but a lot less on my losses.

[Joseph Mallan]

Troutmonkey, on 23 October 2014 - 03:50 AM, said:

I earn a little bit more on my wins, but a lot less on my losses.

I earned 104K on a loss yesterday... You're losing wrong!

[Shadow Magnet]

Joseph Mallan, on 23 October 2014 - 03:52 AM, said:

I earned 104K on a loss yesterday... You're losing wrong!

Ok I am curious, how did you achieve that? Which mech, loadout, playstyle/behaviour?
The highest loss I was able to get was 53k and the highest win like 155k.

[Troutmonkey]

Shadow Magnet, on 23 October 2014 - 03:57 AM, said:

Ok I am curious, how did you achieve that? Which mech, loadout, playstyle/behaviour?
The highest loss I was able to get was 53k and the highest win like 155k.

Highest Loss I've had so far was 74k. 30k of that was from a single "Brawling, Most Damage, Killing Blow, Solo Kill"

Edited by Troutmonkey, 23 October 2014 - 04:01 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Shadow Magnet, on 23 October 2014 - 03:57 AM, said:

Ok I am curious, how did you achieve that? Which mech, loadout, playstyle/behaviour?
The highest loss I was able to get was 53k and the highest win like 155k.

THIS, I stayed with my PUG lance(or at least close to a team mate) and stalked and maneuvered and alphed. I am a knock out punching player, and I don't apologize for it. 2 Kills 4 assists, and a slew of other bonuses for being a good team player.

I'm not using Premium time, but I will take advantage of my Hero's bonus.

Sorry Trout... I didn't mean to sound insulting... It's early and I'm still cranky from lack of Caffeine.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 23 October 2014 - 04:08 AM.

[Eboli]

Just did 202k on a loss. Light (Oxide with Premium) with lots of hit and runs, 2 kills, 3 assists. Otherwie it was a 112,411 CBills earnings.

Loss 10,000
Component Destroyed 16,100
Savior Kill 13,500
Killing Blow 8,000
Kill Assist 7,500
Damage Done 13,521
Kill Most Damage Dealt 10,000
Solo Kill 20,000
Scouting 2,000
Hit and Run 10,000
Lance Formation 60
Protected Light 1,235
Protection Proximity 495
Subtotal 112,411

+ Hero and Premium

Edited by Eboli, 23 October 2014 - 04:24 AM.

[Duran Vancor]

Stormcrow Prime, 6 ERML, 1 ERLL

I welcome any explanation, telling me what I did wrong here.