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[Chrithu]

Xarian, on 22 October 2014 - 01:33 AM, said:

Please show the subtotal so we can tell whether or not your rewards include Premium or Hero bonus.

I'm not re-posting pictures yet again, and other players have a lot more to say on the issue than I do. Please go check any of the many threads.

Examples:
Thread
Another thread
Here's a thread where a guy got less than 150k for over 900 damage

He clearly is on Premium. If he wasn't there was a box in lower mid showing what he would have earned with premium.

[The Boz]

Here's a rather extreme example of actual *play* that will, hopefully, make the "play to win" vs "play to earn" situation more clear.
Situation: Player is in a Jester of the dual PPC + medium laser variety. He is currently engaged vs an enemy Atlas D-DC and a heavily damaged Centurion with an exposed CT, and backed up by an ML+SRM Quickdraw. His team has a few LRM boats, but they're off god knows where.
Play to earn: Although the CN9 doesn't present a big threat, shooting him in the CT is likely to result in a kill. Meanwhile, the AS7 goes to town on the QKD, at worst killing him, and at best destroying his ability to participate in the match.
Play to win: Stagger PPC fire at the AS7. With a PPC to the RT or RA every 2 seconds, you can suppress the ECM for up to half a minute, allowing your LRMs to rain some death, and are likely to take out a significant part of the his offensive potential.
Do you think that the rewards system, as it is right now, handles this situation well? Do you think this is a convoluted, one-of-a-kind scenario that doesn't happen in the game at all? Would you play to win or play to earn in this situation, and why?

[bluepiglet]

Stefka Kerensky, on 22 October 2014 - 02:43 AM, said:

You saw that "team play" rewards are cumulative, right?

edit: the nice thing is that your explications about why is getting worse are just making my point.

Have you ever paid much attention to the amount of teamplay rewards? Count yourself lucky if it breaks 1k after sticking with the lance the whole game. The size of the reward is absolutely minimum and the while it does culminate it would take ages to make it significant, which is impossible because games only last 15 min and players have only certain a amount of time to play.

Just give you an idea. I was leading the charge with the lance behind me for the most time. You see the teamwork bonus works?


Now, would you come back with a valid point to make?

Edited by bluepiglet, 22 October 2014 - 03:14 AM.

[KingDavid]

I bet you played in a premade/group, you wont like the new reward system if you run as a PUG/solo qeue.

[Joseph Mallan]

Stefka Kerensky, on 21 October 2014 - 11:56 PM, said:

Being a team player I really love this new reward system!
Just made a bunch of matches and I made a lot of c-bills.

A few tips for those complaining:

1) work as a team

2) stay with your team/lance

3) focus fire

4) dont play at distance

5) HELP your teammates/lancemates

6) don't stay back making "surgical gauss"

7) don't run as suicide nut, ahead all alone


All BASIC team play tips.
So learn them.
Forget being selfish.
Stop complaing.

If an average pilot like me can make a lot of money, think about this: you are playing in the wrong way.

4 losses 1 win, averaged over 80K. I'm over paid and loving it!

[STEF_]

The Boz, on 22 October 2014 - 02:56 AM, said:

Here's a rather extreme example of actual *play* that will, hopefully, make the "play to win" vs "play to earn" situation more clear.
Situation: Player is in a Jester of the dual PPC + medium laser variety. He is currently engaged vs an enemy Atlas D-DC and a heavily damaged Centurion with an exposed CT, and backed up by an ML+SRM Quickdraw. His team has a few LRM boats, but they're off god knows where.
Play to earn: Although the CN9 doesn't present a big threat, shooting him in the CT is likely to result in a kill. Meanwhile, the AS7 goes to town on the QKD, at worst killing him, and at best destroying his ability to participate in the match.
Play to win: Stagger PPC fire at the AS7. With a PPC to the RT or RA every 2 seconds, you can suppress the ECM for up to half a minute, allowing your LRMs to rain some death, and are likely to take out a significant part of the his offensive potential.
Do you think that the rewards system, as it is right now, handles this situation well? Do you think this is a convoluted, one-of-a-kind scenario that doesn't happen in the game at all? Would you play to win or play to earn in this situation, and why?

bluepiglet, on 22 October 2014 - 03:09 AM, said:

Have you ever paid much attention to the amount of teamplay rewards? Count yourself lucky if it breaks 1k after sticking with the lance the whole game. The size of the reward is absolutely minimum and the while it does culminate it would take ages to make it significant, which is impossible because games only last 15 min and players have only certain a amount of time to play.

Just give you an idea. I was leading the charge with the lance behind me for the most time. You see the teamwork bonus works?


Now, would you come back with a valid point to make?

I think that "focusing fire" produces a "dying target", so it's good for the team to focus fire.

The same with eliminating the dying centurion: the less doritos in radar the more team can focus fire; killing that damaged cn9 should not be a great deal (20 sec? 30 seconds?), and then the team can focus fire all together on the Atlas.
About the quickdraw with short range weaponry: why has he gone all alone towards the enemy, only to find an Atlas smiling at him?

[The Boz]

The team can't focus fire on the Atlas while it has an ECM running. That's the point of scrambling it off with PPCs.

[Joseph Mallan]

We Marines call it overlapping fields of fire! It is a time honored method of reducing resistance quickly!

The Boz, on 22 October 2014 - 03:58 AM, said:

The team can't focus fire on the Atlas while it has an ECM running. That's the point of scrambling it off with PPCs.

The team cannot put their reticule over the Atlas cause of ECM? I call shenanigans!

[The Boz]

I really love it when you try to discuss hypothetical situations, and the only response you get is "that can't happen".
As I've said before, the only teammates that can help in that particular battle are the QKD and the couple of LRM boats.
But please, do continue to ignore my actual questions.

Edited by The Boz, 22 October 2014 - 04:01 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

The Boz, on 22 October 2014 - 04:00 AM, said:

I really love it when you try to discuss hypothetical situations, and the only response you get is "that can't happen".
As I've said before, the only teammates that can help in that particular battle are the QKD and the couple of LRM boats.
But please, do continue to ignore my actual questions.

Well then your Hypothetical was countered by a Hypothesis. ECM only hampers Indirect fire. So a D-DC with ECM can be pounded by direct fire quite easily. I know from past experience Boz.

[bluepiglet]

Stefka Kerensky, on 22 October 2014 - 03:56 AM, said:

I think that "focusing fire" produces a "dying target", so it's good for the team to focus fire.

The same with eliminating the dying centurion: the less doritos in radar the more team can focus fire; killing that damaged cn9 should not be a great deal (20 sec? 30 seconds?), and then the team can focus fire all together on the Atlas.
About the quickdraw with short range weaponry: why has he gone all alone towards the enemy, only to find an Atlas smiling at him?

Deflecting the topic from the neglectable teamwork rewards toward focusing fire? I guess you have exhausted all your "valid points" then.....

[Joseph Mallan]

bluepiglet, on 22 October 2014 - 04:04 AM, said:

Deflecting the topic from the neglectable teamwork rewards toward focusing fire? I guess you have exhausted all your "valid points" then.....

I made more money last night dying than I normally made living... Points were valid.

[The Boz]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 October 2014 - 04:04 AM, said:

Well then your Hypothetical was countered by a Hypothesis. ECM only hampers Indirect fire. So a D-DC with ECM can be pounded by direct fire quite easily. I know from past experience Boz.

The only ones in range of direct fire are you and the QKD. And, as I have mentioned before, shooting the Atlas is the play-to-win play. But it's not something the system in place encourages.

[Joseph Mallan]

The Boz, on 22 October 2014 - 04:13 AM, said:

The only ones in range of direct fire are you and the QKD. And, as I have mentioned before, shooting the Atlas is the play-to-win play. But it's not something the system in place encourages.

Ok you can keep complaining, I'll just giggle while I wrack up the rewards. You had a bad situation, as you should have happen now and again. I'm going to get rich off this cash system!

[The Boz]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 October 2014 - 04:18 AM, said:

I can't come up with an effective counter to your argument, so I'll just ridicule you and espouse my proficiency in racking up the rewards.

Pitiful.

[Vassago Rain]

Xarian, on 22 October 2014 - 01:08 AM, said:

The complaints are not in our heads - they are real.

A guy stays with his team the entire game, gets 800 damage, 4 kills, and 7 assists. He gets 127k C-Bills. I guess he wasn't playing very well, according to you.

Meanwhile, a LRM boat hides in the back, gets no kills, has 11 assists, and 127 damage. However, he was hiding behind a rock the whole time, so every volley of missiles counted as a "Flank" attack and gets 300k C-Bills. I guess he's a great player, then?

The reward system is utterly broken, as many, many people have been complaining about all night. Think about it for a second: what is more likely - that every player here is terrible, or that you're simply wrong?

10/10 system.

[Joseph Mallan]

The Boz, on 22 October 2014 - 04:20 AM, said:

Pitiful.

Yes you are.

[STEF_]

bluepiglet, on 22 October 2014 - 04:04 AM, said:

Deflecting the topic from the neglectable teamwork rewards toward focusing fire? I guess you have exhausted all your "valid points" then.....

Untrue.
I'm saying that killing a damaged target will help your team to win.
The more a mech stay alive, the more damage it can make.
Team play for win is focus fire, not engaging at will a clean mech.
So, imo, the new reward system is just fair about engaging a dying mech or a clean one

Edited by Stefka Kerensky, 22 October 2014 - 04:28 AM.

[The Boz]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 October 2014 - 04:22 AM, said:

Yes you are.

Your debating skill is admirable. Is this how you rack up the posts?

Edited by The Boz, 22 October 2014 - 04:26 AM.

[bluepiglet]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 October 2014 - 04:18 AM, said:

Ok you can keep complaining, I'll just giggle while I wrack up the rewards. You had a bad situation, as you should have happen now and again. I'm going to get rich off this cash system!

Now you made the right choice. Do not fight where you cant win.

"Screw you guys, I'm going home to get rich off this cash system!!"

Edited by bluepiglet, 22 October 2014 - 04:28 AM.