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[Alexander MacTaggart]

Whoops, on 10 November 2014 - 10:01 PM, said:

It feels like a light drizzle. (AMS Range + Fire Rate), you can easily burn 4000-6000 AMS ammo.

Downside: You're limited to 3 ER-Mlas as your weapons if you take all of your JJ's and ECM with said 3 AMS and 3 tons AMS ammo. You have 3 heatsinks but you still feel like a burning sun after that heat ramp on ER-Mlas. You also feel like a light drizzle as a result of carrying a 21 pt alpha. Feel free to trade a heatsink for 2 MG's + 1/2 ton of ammo though, it helps when the enemy is opened up and you're running hot, but still want to contribute. Personally under 4 heatsinks on a kitfox makes the cooldown rate unbearably slow, but, YMMV.

You can fit JJs, ECM, 3xAMS, 3xERML, 2xMG, 2xDHS with 1t MG ammo and 3t AMS ammo and be right at max weight while crit locking a Kit Fox.

Alternately you can drop the MG and ammo, DHSes and one of the ERML to fit a SSRM6 and 1.5 tons of ammo with an -S arm.

[Cementi]

The dire wolves I play with always thank me for bringing my ams tricked out kit fox. Oh and by the way that is in group que as you do still see lrm's. However I do tend to play bodyguard role alot with many of my mechs.

As for you people who refuse to bring it. Thank you as you make it easier to take my medium mech out and shred an assault or at the very least soften up several assaults every game. Oh and yes I do notice the ones who do not have AMS coverage and target them first because I prefer to LOS fire missles whenever I can. When I don't (which is rare) I have spotters who are usually narcing.

If I bring a lrm boat that is heavier than a medium it usually has some means to snipe so that after you are softened up by my lrms I can snipe to finish you off.

No I am not the best player out there but there is a right way and a wrong way to use lrms. Even in a group que they can be usefull though I hesitate to bring a dedicated lrm boat into group ques without a dedicated narcer or two.

So yep, ams on almost every mech though there are a few exceptions.

[Sovery_Simple]

Alexander MacTaggart, on 11 November 2014 - 09:02 AM, said:

You can fit JJs, ECM, 3xAMS, 3xERML, 2xMG, 2xDHS with 1t MG ammo and 3t AMS ammo and be right at max weight while crit locking a Kit Fox.

Alternately you can drop the MG and ammo, DHSes and one of the ERML to fit a SSRM6 and 1.5 tons of ammo with an -S arm.

We're pretty much saying the same thing.

KFX-PRIME

Though I favor the armor over the other half ton of MG ammo, rarely get to use all 1000 with just two MG's.

(Also fun With Narc )

Edited by Whoops, 11 November 2014 - 12:36 PM.

[Alexander MacTaggart]

Whoops, on 11 November 2014 - 12:33 PM, said:

We're pretty much saying the same thing.

KFX-PRIME

Yeah this is the build I use except I have 192 armor and a full ton of MG ammo (and all the arm actuators).

[El Bandito]

Bump for the imminent Warhawk lurmers. Equip an AMS, save a pug.

Edited by El Bandito, 26 November 2014 - 08:47 AM.

[H I A S]

El Bandito, on 04 November 2014 - 06:48 PM, said:

Now that IS AMS too have 2000 ammo per ton, there is simply no excuse not to equip one

AMS is a waste of Podspace and tons, like LRM.

Edited by HiasRGB, 26 November 2014 - 08:56 AM.

[El Bandito]

*edit* Russ agreed to make AMS reward a priority!

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Dimento Graven ‏@DimentoGraven Jan 23

@russ_bullock Any LRMs shot down, not aimed at you, should result in a reward. It would encourage more team play.

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Russ Bullock ‏@russ_bullock Jan 23

@DimentoGraven @mwo_monkey Yes I agree - will try to make this a top priority.

Edited by El Bandito, 25 January 2016 - 06:37 PM.

[Shenanigan23]

Bringing up an old post, but just checking ..... Looks like this still isn't happening?

[BLOOD WOLF]

Shenanigan23, on 31 March 2017 - 01:26 AM, said:

Bringing up an old post, but just checking ..... Looks like this still isn't happening?

not really.

[Kmieciu]

Give PGI a little more time time!
It's only been 3 years!

[Gattsus]

Hahaha bloody hell, it's a priority!

[Shifty McSwift]

Gattsus, on 31 March 2017 - 02:21 AM, said:

Hahaha bloody hell, it's a priority!

A top priority hehehe. Oh boy, funny but still depressing..

To be fair they would have to balance it out pretty well or you would likely get people abusing it, and you have to also consider that using an AMS cuts down certain players final scores and by proxy, their payoff, so in a way AMS already impacts the payoff economy, just in a negative for lrm users.

[Widowmaker1981]

For me, BAP/CAP is a higher priority than AMS, primarily because it cancels the ECM of UAVs, so if someone launches a UAV near me it shows on my minimap so i know to shoot it. The extra sensor range/targeting time is just gravy.

If you arent on sensors, you arent getting shot by LRMs

If i could change builds after seeing the gamemode, i might use AMS on escort missions, but id prefer escort just died in a fire, or failing that at least remove the goddamn game breaking radar towers, or make them destructible.

[Erronius]

I want an Urbanmech with 4 AMS hardpoints.

Just because.

[Ultimax]

I haven't equipped AMS since maybe 2014* when this thread was made, and never once have I thought I should equip it since then.


*I was in a unit that did a lot of CW and they insisted everyone take AMS - it was actually effective when all 12 of you have it but it's not like there is actually much strategy in CW.

[El Bandito]

Ultimax, on 31 March 2017 - 04:24 PM, said:

I haven't equipped AMS since maybe 2014* when this thread was made, and never once have I thought I should equip it since then.

*I was in a unit that did a lot of CW and they insisted everyone take AMS - it was actually effective when all 12 of you have it but it's not like there is actually much strategy in CW.

You just proved how useful it is. MS also did AMS umbrella group and we strolled through Polar and reached the enemy lines without losing a single mech to LRMs, even when the enemy scouts were trying to NARC. Herd immunity and all that.

[Deathlike]

I'd like to believe that the whining against poptarts is what it is because it's a pretty good counter to LRMs.

[SQW]

There are two types of people on this thread - those without AMS complaining about OP LRMs and those with AMS wondering what the first group is on about.

[sycocys]

But if everyone starts equipping AMS there will be no more LRMs and my extra heat sink won't have to feel lonely sitting in the storage shed.

Also I don't think I've ever had AMS equipped once I removed it from the silly mechs that had it loaded stock, why would I start that silliness now? Is Russ going to start removing rocks and buildings if we don't all have AMS by Thursday?

-- Lastly, radar derp doesn't take up tonnage or even a module slot anymore. So LoL. XD

Edited by sycocys, 23 May 2017 - 07:02 PM.

[El Bandito]

sycocys, on 23 May 2017 - 06:58 PM, said:

But if everyone starts equipping AMS there will be no more LRMs and my extra heat sink won't have to feel lonely sitting in the storage shed.

Also I don't think I've ever had AMS equipped once I removed it from the silly mechs that had it loaded stock, why would I start that silliness now? Is Russ going to start removing rocks and buildings if we don't all have AMS by Thursday?

-- Lastly, radar derp doesn't take up tonnage or even a module slot anymore. So LoL. XD

1. LRMs will disappear once everyone collectively uses AMS. After a while people will remove AMS and LRMs will resurge again, which means AMS will be useful again. It will be a natural balance.

2. AMS is not just for you, it is also for your teammates. Longer they live, better for you. That rock might be able to hide you, but what of your mates around you?

Edited by El Bandito, 23 May 2017 - 07:13 PM.