227 replies to this topic

[RussianWolf]

Kain Thul, on 05 November 2014 - 12:08 PM, said:

using thermal vision on TT and caustic

This has its uses. Mechs appear as black spots on those maps when using Thermal. Easier to spot movement.

[Krivvan]

RussianWolf, on 05 November 2014 - 01:21 PM, said:

This has its uses. Mechs appear as black spots on those maps when using Thermal. Easier to spot movement.

Night vision ends up more useful on Caustic to see through smoke, but yeah, there is a reason to use them beyond just it being hard to see.

[xhrit]

HlynkaCG, on 05 November 2014 - 05:39 AM, said:

My standard reply is "You're in this ELO bracket with me"

No, actually, I'm not. Matchmaker decided to put me with you after I waited too long to find people good enough for a challenge. It couldn't find anyone in my ELO range, so it just gave up trying and stuck me here with you.

[Zanathan]

I'm not going to comment on whether the 'better' player dies first or not, since everyone has their bad matches .. or are left behind (if you're a slow mech).

However as the OP has stated, I also find it amusing when players die before everyone else and rant and rave how the team sucks. Or "I hope you all die" .. and you know what, we actually win but they've already d/ced for us to tell him to shove it up their backside. I don't suppose we could create a sub-forum for just these types of posts? =P

[Astrocanis]

Belorion, on 05 November 2014 - 06:03 AM, said:

Good players die at all points of the match as do bad players.

I know I have often deathwatched players rock humping, players not engaging till they are the last ones, players pumping round after round into friendlies because they can't or won't hold fire till they have a clear target, and players spraying their lasers in all directions but the enemy.

On the flip side, I have seen players wander out into the rain early in a match, or hurtle head first into the enemy with little regard of what their team is doing, or trickle into a kill box one by one to get cut down one right after another.

I rarely get mad because thats what I get for dropping in the pug queue...

All of the reasons above are why organized teams used to roflstomp in the pug grounds.

I confess that there have been games when, for whatever reason (usually getting cored from behind at the spawn by my team), I say...errr...to heck with it and just try to get some score in and die early (because I'm a pyrrhic sort of pissed at that point) and trundle off to get a beer while the rest of my backshootin' buddies stomp themselves into the dirt. Followed by imprecations, while the the other team offers their very friendly "GG, close" insult.

fun stuff. Generally at that point I just logout and watch a movie.

[Zordicron]

I am guilty of some ill mannered comments, though many times they are warranted. Sometimes not, and I am having that kind of day( I sometimes go online to forget about a taxing day at work for instance, so my mood is already poor.)

I don't usually berate a particular team mate, or make horribly useless "team suxx" comments. But, I will point out tactical flaws, tell the team where the enemy team is and why they are about to get stomped by them, that type of thing. Occasionally, the enemy team turns out to be 1 vet, 2-3 decent players and a fistful of total derps, and the horse-blinders team mates on my side miraculously focus down the one vet on the enemy team and some how haphazardly laser spray the rest of team derp for a victory.

Most of the time I keep my tactical explainations good natured. MANY times I spectate, I praise people doing good things, be it piloting or tactically, make suggestions and tell them why(because dead guy has time to actually do that) and that sort of thing. Sometimes spectate mode is the only way you can make comments to try help out "n00bs". People complain about dead players telling team mates stuff in chat, but boo on that, in a game with no VOIP, the best commander is the one that can cycle through his teams cockpits and relay tactical info and make suggestions, because dead guy doesnt have to try to pilot at the same time. Long story short, MOST of what I tell my teams after i get KO'd is positive, or at least informative.

That said, i am sure there are more times then I would care to admit where some derpwad contests the plainly obvious and I get a little salty. Last night on HPG, in my Atlas, my lance was another atlas, a hero battlemaster, and i think a TBR, but might have been a DWF even, I dont recall exactly, doesnt matter. We spawn on the "little" side(only 4 of us). So we rush in(I am in front, the rest of lance was a little slow to follow up). I turn to left to see if I spot enemy...oh yeah, in fact I spot at least a half dozen triangles, and I saw two of them moving in from the right, so it all honesty it was at least 3/4 the enemy team. "F that noise" I think, pull right at full throttle. I look at radar....

Yup, Atlas lancemate and one other greenish triangle have pointed left towards enemy, moved up a litt.e Hero battlemaster is at my back. I lance chat "Do not try to fight 10 enemy mechs, keep moving to our team" because I was safe at full throttle moving behind the big wall. NOPE, they engage. One light from our team had raced towards us. STUPIDLY, i turn around, to try to make something of the situation. I managed 2 kills and blew armor off some other stuff, ended with almost 400 dmg, but it was 9 vs 4(was 5 but Atlas' pal ate it in the face almost immediatly) And lancemate Atlas lost half his mech just before he hid behind mine. roughly 30 seconds after I get cored, the hero battlemaster is down, and the light races off, now our assault lance is dead, we got 2 of them(one was a wolverine so yay) and hurt them, but we were now out gunned so bad it was crazy.

I type in team chat "THAT is why I did not want to fight there, we were badly outnumbered and got rolled!" Atlas lancmate says, and I **** you not "we died because the team didn't support us". LOLWUT?
Me: " No, we died because you pulled up and stopped to face 10 enemy mechs, our team didnt come racing over to us becasue they were already engaged. I was actually headed to them when you decided to stop and fight the whole enemy team yourself."
Me: "Stupidly, I turned around to help you. I should have left you die in YOLO fashion as you were and tried to salvage the rest of the match."

os I got a little salty there, but the guy earned it with a comment like that. When a team mate points out the near entirety of the enemy team, and you know there is only one lance of you, and our support is across the map- really, you really decide to take on the whole enemy team? Don't blame your team mates that were fighting across the map for not beelining to save your YOLO assault suicide run. So yeah, in instances like that I am less constructive, but even so, I STILL dont just make a comment like "NO U, U SUXX" because that really is just pissing in the wind.

[Ted Wayz]

Never blame the team because face it, you are a part of it. Don't get me wrong, there are times ten seconds into the match where Faux Napoleon gets everyone to follow a losing strategy or the majority of the players just decide to move to a losing position, but what are you going to do? For me I hope they learn from the situation and me bad mouthing them won't help that process.

[AntharPrime]

I broke down and said "way to hide and let your team get wiped out" on a game recently.

We dropped on River City and the whole team crossed the bay directly towards the enemy base except for one sniper that stayed back to take pot shots at enemy snipers up at the spaceport. Our team hugged the central building and came face to face with 6 of the enemy mechs around the corner. We worked really well together and wiped out those 6 mechs in under a minute with no losses to our team. A few of us typed "push" into the chat and 4 of us moved into the buildings near their base to face off against the rest of the enemy. The rest of our team chickened out and those of us who pushed and took the brunt of the damage in the initial assault were wiped out while the rest played peek-a-boo when we could have easily won. But we ended up loosing. The rest of the match was our team getting wiped out one at a time as they charged out one by one.

[luxebo]

Some people play drunk. Then they yell. Then they realize they're drunk. Then they continue to yell. Then people tell them that they're drunk. Then they continue to yell at them for yelling at them about their drunkenness.

This is why drinking and meching isn't good for your health.

<P.S. if I die first it's more or less cause I'm drunk as hell.>

[ShinobiHunter]

I gotta say, it irritates me when players do this. Honestly, unless you were one of the very last alive, it is absolutely your own fault that you died. You made a mistake somewhere or didn't recognize what your team was doing, etc. If people would own up to that it would make them a better player IMO. You can't learn when you don't accept that you made a mistake.

[HlynkaCG]

xhrit, on 05 November 2014 - 03:19 PM, said:

No, actually, I'm not. Matchmaker decided to put me with you after I waited too long to find people good enough for a challenge. It couldn't find anyone in my ELO range, so it just gave up trying and stuck me here with you.

Actually no. Matchmaker decided to put you with me after it couldn't find anyone in MY elo bracket

But don't worry, in Capellan March lolcust carry you.

Edited by HlynkaCG, 05 November 2014 - 06:24 PM.

[Kilo 40]

My two usual "team blames" at the end of a match...

"We didn't stay together" and "teams that go tunnel on this map(forest colony) always lose".

[Mycrus]

CelticCross, on 05 November 2014 - 05:24 AM, said:

Why is it always the &quot;best&quot; players that seem to die first?

Obviously, it isn't, but they would like to think that they are. If only it wasn't for the &quot;noob team&quot; they were stuck with, they'd be snuffing out the Clan Invasion by themselves. Or so they believe.

Just got ridiculed by one of these &quot;experts&quot;. He was spouting the usual diatribe of how &quot;the team&quot; was crap and was the sole cause of his demise in the first few minutes. I called him on it and he proceeded to talk crap about how my use of cover while my weapons cycled was &quot;cowardly&quot; and that I should &quot;get out and fight instead of hiding&quot;, despite me taking on an assault lance by myself and causing 600+ damage. My match score was also almost twice his.

I would find it hilarious if it wasn't so constant. Seems every game the pile of dead guys just starts hurling BS statements about how bad the rest of the team is. Maybe it was a bad matchup. Maybe there were lots of newer players. Maybe stop to think before typing out profanity-laced insults. Maybe take a look in the mirror?

/rant

Switch off chat.

[Guzzarov]

If i die early in a game it is usually because I did something stupid . And you cant blame someone else for that . I hade a strange experience today in a game in caustic valley. I was standing in cover at start of game trying to spot the enemy team. A DW from my team came up a slope and started blasting at me shot of my arms and made my mech just about scrap .I did not fire back and asked why he did it. He then said that was what he did to people that shoot him in the back . The only problem was I hade not yet fire my weapons in that game so it was not possible . I got angry and told him it was not me and that he should check who fired on him before starting to shoot team mates .But he would not listen . Its one of the few times I hade an argument during a match but I could not stop myself it really annoyed me what he did and that he could not accept that he was wrong in is actions.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Jody Von Jedi, on 05 November 2014 - 05:31 AM, said:

I couldn't agree more. I'm not a "noob" and I don't appreciate being called one. It is funny to see these so called experts rant and rage against their own team. I'll usually respond with something like, "Big talk from a dead guy." It will either shut them up, or it will make it worse.

Just a word or caution, you might want to go back and edit your OP. There is a rule against naming and shaming other players in the Code of Conduct.

Jody

Problem is, often those guys ranting are doing the right thing to try to win the battle but are let down by those doing the wrong thing like cowering behind a hill getting LRMed on. Nothing more frustrating.

[Mazikar]

Only time I get upset is when I state something like watch out guys they are flanking D3, then a few seconds latter D3 5 mechs we are getting flanked hard need some fatty help.... then we all die in explosions as we take fire from the D3 flankers that only I shot at.

Then there is the hey guys lets hit the basement we have no ECM and they have a nearc jenner and a tag spider with 5 lrm boats.... just to hear naw we got this..... then as half the team dies in 30 seconds... the same guy that just said no now says to the team to go to the basement....

Just saying sometimes it is "The Teams" fault.... but yeah pretty rare for it to be legit

[Col Jaime Wolf]

CelticCross, on 05 November 2014 - 05:24 AM, said:

Why is it always the "best" players that seem to die first?

Obviously, it isn't, but they would like to think that they are. If only it wasn't for the "noob team" they were stuck with, they'd be snuffing out the Clan Invasion by themselves. Or so they believe.

Just got ridiculed by one of these "experts". He was spouting the usual diatribe of how "the team" was crap and was the sole cause of his demise in the first few minutes. I called him on it and he proceeded to talk crap about how my use of cover while my weapons cycled was "cowardly" and that I should "get out and fight instead of hiding", despite me taking on an assault lance by myself and causing 600+ damage. My match score was also almost twice his.

I would find it hilarious if it wasn't so constant. Seems every game the pile of dead guys just starts hurling BS statements about how bad the rest of the team is. Maybe it was a bad matchup. Maybe there were lots of newer players. Maybe stop to think before typing out profanity-laced insults. Maybe take a look in the mirror?

/rant

i blame you celtic cross. even if your not in the match its still your fault. its always your fault.

cuz im so pro i cant fail im like walking god mode so its always got to be someone elses fault. especially if they're not even present.

Edited by Mellifluer, 05 November 2014 - 10:42 PM.

[riverslq]

CelticCross, on 05 November 2014 - 05:24 AM, said:

Why is it always the "best" players that seem to die first?

Obviously, it isn't, but they would like to think that they are. If only it wasn't for the "noob team" they were stuck with, they'd be snuffing out the Clan Invasion by themselves. Or so they believe.

Just got ridiculed by one of these "experts". He was spouting the usual diatribe of how "the team" was crap and was the sole cause of his demise in the first few minutes. I called him on it and he proceeded to talk crap about how my use of cover while my weapons cycled was "cowardly" and that I should "get out and fight instead of hiding", despite me taking on an assault lance by myself and causing 600+ damage. My match score was also almost twice his.

I would find it hilarious if it wasn't so constant. Seems every game the pile of dead guys just starts hurling BS statements about how bad the rest of the team is. Maybe it was a bad matchup. Maybe there were lots of newer players. Maybe stop to think before typing out profanity-laced insults. Maybe take a look in the mirror?

/rant

I appreciate the post
but when the people lasting the longest are cowering in a corner
its not always true, but in a pug match more often than not it unfortunately is

[Javenri]

Bront, on 05 November 2014 - 05:37 AM, said:

I rarely take it out on the team, but sometimes, the reason you die first is because your team abandons you. Either they don't stay around you when you're fighting, or they don't come with when you head into battle.

Now, some of this is a communication issue, so if you never asked them to charge with you, then don't expect them to read your mind. But it's also not unfair to expect some level of support if your lance gets ambushed by another lance to have other members of your lance either try to fight back, or help the entire lance escape.

I know my biggest frustration in PUGs is that many players wilt under fire. It's combat, you can take a few hits. Cowering behind cover as the enemy team advances to better positions does no one any good. The teams that I find do the best are the teams willing to take a few hits in order to decimate the enemy, and I find you rarely get that in a PUG, even if you try to hammer out a good plan in chat.

That's not to say it never happens, I'll say at least 30% of the PUG drops I've been in have not been like that, but that's obviously not a majority.

That said, If I do call out my team, I'll be very specific about what happened, hoping maybe they learn. LIke the guy who teamkilled me with LRMs because he wasn't paying attention to where they were going when he was firing (He hit me with 8 different vollies, I only figured out it was a teammate before the last one, and I couldn't twist away fast enough for him to not core me).

Well said. Lack of situational awareness from my teamates is the thing that annoys me the most.

[Arkbird_]

Look at reality, it's a public queue with no barrier between a "casual" match and a "competitive" match. Simplest way to put it is without a barrier between these 2 types of matches you will ALWAYS get stuck with players who don't care as they didn't get to click on the "i don't care i just want to play" queue vs your "competitive" queue. Many of those players may never look at the forums, will never look up good builds, but will simply play the game their way even if they lose because they are having fun even at (apparently) your expense.

You can't control your teammates. Remember with 11 teammates you have a lot of room for stupidity. Deal with it and carry harder.

Hopefully CW will fix this somewhat as I see that as the "competitive" queue and I can understand if you get mad because bad teammates cost you a planet + rewards but in this huge queue where nothing changes at the end but cbills, xp, and stats I have no sympathy