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[SweetJackal]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 05 November 2014 - 11:33 PM, said:

Feel dirty now using it. Before i enjoyed beeing one of the few who was doing great in the so called" **** mech".

I really love it, i was doing allways good with it but now its just OP (1N and 5N)

Actually, you've been using an underpowered mech and doing well in it. If you want an ego stroke, you've been playing with a handicap that has been keeping your ELO low compared to your actual skill level, it takes more skill to reach the same level of performance.

This is mostly because the Dragon has really easy to pop STs without arms large enough to protect them in addition to a CT that can be targeted from almost any angle. Historically it's been a fragile mech in MWO's time line, it's had a rough life from the early days of the closed beta and it's only gotten worse for this mech over time. In essence the Dragon needs to use speed, mobility and range to keep it's armor intact.

So play it, enjoy it and get brought up against better players. Match your skills against them, see how you fair and continue to learn and grow.

[Sagamore]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 05 November 2014 - 11:33 PM, said:

Feel dirty now using it. Before i enjoyed beeing one of the few who was doing great in the so called" **** mech".

I really love it, i was doing allways good with it but now its just OP (1N and 5N)

I've been popping dragons like pimples all night. Not OP but perhaps worth bringing into a match now.

[Krivvan]

Mordin Ashe, on 06 November 2014 - 01:25 AM, said:

It could but Rvn-3l is better for that one, ECM, speed and stuff.

Was referring to how CSJ views comp games from the eyes of ERLL, LL, and more ERLL.

[pulupulu]

I killed an awesome and a jester alone with a dragon 2x ac5 and nothing else...

Granted, they weren't that good of player (poor armor distribution, unable to maintain aim on single location etc), but the speed I killed them was quite special.

I think dragon right now is a good alternative to jager. But not quite OP yet. Timberwolves are still better.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

pulupulu, on 06 November 2014 - 01:59 AM, said:

I killed an awesome and a jester alone with a dragon 2x ac5 and nothing else...



Granted, they weren't that good of player (poor armor distribution, unable to maintain aim on single location etc), but the speed I killed them was quite special.



I think dragon right now is a good alternative to jager. But not quite OP yet. Timberwolves are still better.

at least 8 tons ammo needed+ your aim needs to be good to maintain your shots only to the ct or side torso. So yeah it still efforts skill. If your aim isnt that good then you cant feel the Op powah of the dragon 1n /5n

[Widowmaker1981]

El Bandito, on 06 November 2014 - 12:55 AM, said:

It was bad. No ifs, ands, or buts.

In fact, there was a thread about "the worst mech overall" and most people agreed that it was the Dragon chassis, with the exception of Flame.

The flame has the same hitboxes as the 1N, and it wasnt awful before? yes? the 1N has the best gun in the game now, by a country mile.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Widowmaker1981, on 06 November 2014 - 02:53 AM, said:

The flame has the same hitboxes as the 1N, and it wasnt awful before? yes? the 1N has the best gun in the game now, by a country mile.

1+

At least a few persons played the dragon 1 n with the new quirks before leaving a comment here

[Tristan Winter]

Widowmaker1981, on 06 November 2014 - 02:53 AM, said:

The flame has the same hitboxes as the 1N, and it wasnt awful before? yes? the 1N has the best gun in the game now, by a country mile.

It's a very big gun, it requires a constant stream of fire to take advantage of its DPS, and it has 40 armour.

This is the same reason the YLW was never OP, even though it could perform very well sometimes. As soon as you lose the arm, it's over. And at least with the YLW, you could torso twist when you were waiting for cooldown.

[Widowmaker1981]

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 06 November 2014 - 03:11 AM, said:

It's a very big gun, it requires a constant stream of fire to take advantage of its DPS, and it has 40 armour.

This is the same reason the YLW was never OP, even though it could perform very well sometimes. As soon as you lose the arm, it's over. And at least with the YLW, you could torso twist when you were waiting for cooldown.

True, the 1N has 1 major weakness now - it needs a staggering amount of ammo for a 60T mech (8T+), and the arm with that weapon in can be shot off, totally neutering it since its backup weapons will be weak due to lack of tonnage after 25 tons of AC5+ammo

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 06 November 2014 - 03:17 AM.

[Kmieciu]

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 06 November 2014 - 03:11 AM, said:

It's a very big gun, it requires a constant stream of fire to take advantage of its DPS, and it has 40 armour.

This is the same reason the YLW was never OP, even though it could perform very well sometimes. As soon as you lose the arm, it's over. And at least with the YLW, you could torso twist when you were waiting for cooldown.

The difference is, YLW used to have 5 DPS gun, 270 range.
DRG-1N has 18.2 DPS, 620 range.

I'm just enjoying my easy mode right now, they might hotfix it soon but the memories of OP Dragon will forever be mine!
I had a game where my team got rolled, and I managed to deal 975 damage (more than all of my teammates combined). Never had that happen before :-)

Scoring a 1000 damage seems a bit easier than when using a 5xUAC Direwolf. And my DW has enough ammo to deal 1500 damage while my Dragon can deal 1950 :-)

Edited by Kmieciu, 06 November 2014 - 03:29 AM.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Kmieciu, on 06 November 2014 - 03:27 AM, said:

The difference is, YLW used to have 5 DPS gun, 270 range.
DRG-1N has 18.2 DPS, 620 range.

I'm just enjoying my easy mode right now, they might hotfix it soon but the memories of OP Dragon will forever be mine!
I had a game where my team got rolled, and I managed to deal 975 damage (more than all of my teammates combined). Never had that happen before :-)

Scoring a 1000 damage seems a bit easier than when using a 5xUAC Direwolf. And my DW has enough ammo to deal 1500 damage while my Dragon can deal 1950 :-)

yeah lets hope they dont nerf it cuz its a shitton of fun atm hihi

According to the most posts here, theres actually no need at all to nerf the quirks on the 1n /5n xD

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 06 November 2014 - 04:00 AM.

[Kaeb Odellas]

The DRG-1N is pretty much the new Yen-Lo-Wang in terms of "big pile of hurt in a big, easily-destroyable arm", but taken to the extreme. It was certainly a mech-eating monster in the first couple of days since the patch, but I suspect it'll be less effective once people learn to shoot its arm off first.

I haven't tried the other Dragons yet but I can't see them stacking up against the 1N's monstrous DPS. The 5N seems kind of meh, since its 3 AC2s are inferior to the 1N's in every way but range and velocity, and it lacks the shoulder mount for the ERLL. The 1C I could see being nice, with 2 shoulder lasers for hill skirmishing and that fast Gauss for the main engagement. I can't really say much about the Fang, but it'll probably be an okay brawler. The Flame seems kind of weak, since you have to give up an XL engine to utilize its rather mediocre AC20 quirks.

[Nauht]

Screenshot and post your Dragon stats. I dare you.

[Thorn Hallis]

It was good when there were only two heavy 'Mechs in the game.

[Kmieciu]

Thorn Hallis, on 06 November 2014 - 04:20 AM, said:

It was good when there were only two heavy 'Mechs in the game.

I was there when the Dragon was introduced. It was underpowered from the start and everybody just used the Catapult. But right now it has the highest sustained DPS of all the heavy mechs.

[Tristan Winter]

Kmieciu, on 06 November 2014 - 03:27 AM, said:

The difference is, YLW used to have 5 DPS gun, 270 range.
DRG-1N has 18.2 DPS, 620 range.

18.2 DPS? How do you end up with that number?

[Kmieciu]

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 06 November 2014 - 04:34 AM, said:

18.2 DPS? How do you end up with that number?

I held the mouse button and measured the time it took to fire 150 rounds on Forest Colony (heat neutral map).
The result was 41 seconds.
(150/41)*5 = 18.29 DPS

I was using the 12% cooldown module and 5% fast fire skill.

Edited by Kmieciu, 06 November 2014 - 04:39 AM.

[Livewyr]

I don't think I've used a Dragon since...OBT.

[theta123]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 05 November 2014 - 11:33 PM, said:

but now its just OP (1N and 5N)

[Nauht]

Kmieciu, on 06 November 2014 - 04:37 AM, said:

I held the mouse button and measured the time it took to fire 150 rounds on Forest Colony (heat neutral map).
The result was 41 seconds.
(150/41)*5 = 18.29 DPS

I was using the 12% cooldown module and 5% fast fire skill.

Provided all your shots hit the same location, the target and you were standing still and you weren't taking damage those numbers are great.

I'd rather a huge FLD alpha any time over sustained dps for a skirmisher. I'd take my ASRM24/4xERML TW any day over the quirked 1N and still do. I still fear AC40 jagers more and now I'm starting to totally respect the Hunchback again.

The 1N dragon now has a place and is now actually wanted - against slow moving assaults where all that dps comes to bear. Better than what it used to be for sure. It's actually playable now.