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[Lily from animove]

Viges, on 07 November 2014 - 04:25 AM, said:

Group Size: 2
Tonnage Limit: 200

WAT??

6 groups of 2 people = 1200 tons?

How does that work?

6grps of 2 1200 tons
vs
4grps of 3 with 880 tons.

seems balanced with a im before the word with b.

[Joseph Mallan]

ShadowWolf Kell, on 06 November 2014 - 05:11 PM, said:

It's free stuff for doing what we do anyway... grind C-Bills and kill stuff.

Only the stuff is not enticing to me. So I likely won't take part.

[Viges]

2x6x madcats VS the world challenge

Well at least I'm REALLY happy they are testing tonnage limits mechanics, that is GREAT!

Edited by Viges, 07 November 2014 - 04:33 AM.

[Evil Ed]

Will 3/3/3/3 be deactivated for premade groups and instead there is weight-rules?

Edited by Evil Ed, 07 November 2014 - 04:34 AM.

[Lily from animove]

Felio, on 06 November 2014 - 09:59 PM, said:

"We want to see the effect of tonnage limits VS Weight Class limits has on player behavior and match balance."


That is not a sentence. I'm not even sure what it is trying to say, and I correct bad writing for a living.

does that also mean, the grp queue does not have a matchmaker and just pulls out X peole vs X people, no matter what class?
And how is that supposed to work when two people can bring 100t each and 3 only around 75ton each. thats not really something that looks like it will give proper data.

better would have been: drop in a group of 4 with a tonnage limit of 240. then people need to manage their weight, assaults and lights, or mostly mediums/heavies?

but now probbably the best thing is to go as a grp of 3, which will prevent you getting into a grp of 10 because a grp of 10 has a bad tonnage/player. or you go into a grp of two hoping to be goupd witt mostly other 2 man grps.

I wonder what the high elo clans will do, thta usually come with DWF's and timbers only, will they even try to use a 12 man grp?


Or will the matchmaker now take tonnage into account and try to even out tonnage between the both teams?

Edited by Lily from animove, 07 November 2014 - 04:39 AM.

[Sky Hawk]

Ok.. If anybody didn't understand it.. The whole things purpose is, that Karl want to see, how much will improve the match quality (ELO difference), if the MM can use much more 4 players or smaller teams, than usual.. So, they just want bomb the larger groupsize down in this weekend...

I just don't understand.. what the hell is a Social Warhorn...?

[Evil Ed]

Good q:s Lily, is there any tweaking done to the matchmaker? If they want to study player behavior tonnage limits vs. class limits I guess they have to change the rules for when premade groups can launch.

9xSCR+3xTBR=720 tons...

[Lily from animove]

Evil Ed, on 07 November 2014 - 04:40 AM, said:

Good q:s Lily, is there any tweaking done to the matchmaker? If they want to study player behavior tonnage limits vs. class limits I guess they have to change the rules for when premade groups can launch.

9xSCR+3xTBR=720 tons...

vs 8 tbrs and 4 dw's

[Veritae]

The 2 and 3 man team bonus tonnage is to account for the very real fact that larger groups on comms win matches. An 8 man and a 4 man v two 3 man groups and three 2 man groups will win almost every time. Give the less coordinated group a significant tonnage advantage, and see what happens...

This is to test CW tonnage matching, guys. Everyone is claiming that a bunch of solos or two man groups dropping against 12 man teams are gonna get crushed. Well, what if your drop deck was bigger as a solo or two man or three man team?

Brilliant test, PGI!

[Budor]

Navid A1, on 07 November 2014 - 02:20 AM, said:

well... i think i will be skipping this.... but...
is this the new smoke jaguar skin on the timber?


like the one on the maddog:

I was thinking the same when looking at the tournament page and now that you linked the Mad Dog its pretty obvious with the red stripes on the shoulders

Edited by Budor, 07 November 2014 - 07:18 AM.

[LORD ORION]

Felio, on 06 November 2014 - 09:59 PM, said:

"We want to see the effect of tonnage limits VS Weight Class limits has on player behavior and match balance."


That is not a sentence. I'm not even sure what it is trying to say, and I correct bad writing for a living.

"We want to see what the effects of tonnage limits VS Weight Class limits has are on player behavior and match balance."

[RussianWolf]

If I see the same kind of play as the last couple "tournaments", I'll probably just go play Elite:Dangerous.

[Asrrin]

According to the point calculations, almost any decent win will net you the 140 points necessary to get a point. Even good losses will count. you can qualify with as little as 7 assists and 100 damage I believe.

For the solo puggers out there, don't despair! I was a strictly solo-queue regular until the last group challenge, and I found a great group of people around to play with. If you go the the NGNG public teamspeak server there are TONS of great casual merc groups who just want to have fun.

And let me tell you guys, the warhorn is totally worth it. Aside from the coolness factor of broadcasting to everyone what a badass you are, it also gives you a nice audio cue to pull your shots and conserve ammo when in the middle of combat.

Edited by Asrrin, 07 November 2014 - 08:31 AM.

[Almond Brown]

Lily from animove, on 07 November 2014 - 04:27 AM, said:

6grps of 2 1200 tons
vs
4grps of 3 with 880 tons.

seems balanced with a im before the word with b.

It would be HIGHLY unlikely the MM would launched a 6 x 2 12 man. whereas 4 x 3 would likely happen more often.

But worry not, best to QQ and whine now "just in case" right.

P.S. Assumption would be, if only 2 on a Team, both should be allowed to take an Assault Mech. Weight needed? 200t.

[Deathlike]

Evil Ed, on 07 November 2014 - 04:32 AM, said:

Will 3/3/3/3 be deactivated for premade groups and instead there is weight-rules?

No for the first part. "Opting-in" is technically "adhering" to the rules. If you don't, those matches in which this happens will not be counted. It's that simple.

Why would 3/3/3/3 need to be deactivated for this anyways?

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Viges, on 07 November 2014 - 04:25 AM, said:

Group Size: 2
Tonnage Limit: 200

WAT??

6 groups of 2 people = 1200 tons?

How does that work?

10 ppl = 600 t you can have 2 assault XD

[Mcgral18]

Deathlike, on 07 November 2014 - 10:23 AM, said:

No for the first part. "Opting-in" is technically "adhering" to the rules. If you don't, those matches in which this happens will not be counted. It's that simple.

Why would 3/3/3/3 need to be deactivated for this anyways?

So everyone can take DoomCrows, with a couple TimberGods.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

I like how two mans can bring all dire wolves

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Deathlike, on 06 November 2014 - 05:04 PM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/tournaments

For this weekend, it's just cockpit items. It is unclear what the limits are based on the description (it's to be edited in I suspect).

All I will say is that the rewards stink (honestly, I don't want a warhorn), and you need a minimum of 60 matches to collect them all... but it would be interesting to start discussion related to tonnage limits in a CW match...

So... yay weekend?

Note: Challenge is group only, given the parameters. It would have been interesting if something was done in the solo queue would "follow" said parameters to the best of the MM's ability as a side-analysis of the system.

What is really dumb is its in the group que but the points are still based on individual ability

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 07 November 2014 - 11:15 AM.

[Deathlike]

Mcgral18, on 07 November 2014 - 10:36 AM, said:

So everyone can take DoomCrows, with a couple TimberGods.

Angry Kittens and Ice Weasels are a great combo.

Rawr!