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[Kirkland Langue]

Lotharian, on 17 November 2014 - 01:11 AM, said:

19,913,600,000

That's what has been won thus far in 100k cbills... pretty good solid numbers there for games. That's 199,136 games in 3 days that qualify. Impressive.

Not quite. That's 199k times that a player has scored 130 or more points. I don't know the numbers - but if 10 players per match get that score, then that's about 20k battles in 3 days.

EDIT - and it might be higher than 10 per game. I wouldn't be surprised if there were games in which all 24 players scored 130 points. Game ending 12-11 with all players getting assists on most of the enemy dead? Probably happened a number of times.

Edited by Kirkland Langue, 17 November 2014 - 09:24 AM.

[Styxx42]

Match wise I did notice I was getting Legged more often then ever before.
But I didn't put it together.
I am what I think would be termed a causal player as I only played 24 matches all weekend.

I didn't notice until last night when I was looking at my matches that most qualifying matches were when I assisted more then I killed.

Honestly.
I don't have friends in MWO outside of my small four man clan.
No voice in game and no Lobby to sit and chat makes it hard to. Also not being able to just Hook up with some mates in a casual match

I don't judge players and their play styles any more. It would just get me angry.
I say you're ALL B@stards, and that makes it easier (This is said in jest FYI)
Gamers Always Game.

So in answer to the OP.
Didn't really matter to me. It was a tournament. I ended up with a 1.2 million extra in my bank and a hula(I think, as I haven't checked).
For the most part the LRM SLAMS were WAY down this weekend in my opinion.
I find it is the larger Clans that do the LRM slams (and I have noted a few that do that and am working to adjust play-style vs them) and not the PUGs as I see blamed here in the forums.

I was playing to have fun and see how successful I could be and get another Hula girl.

And it sounds like PGi will correct for the next time.

[AlphaToaster]

The scoring seemed backwards to me, but with all the crying about kill stealing from the last tournaments it didn't surprise me or seem unreasonable to have an event that was the opposite. This is kind of how it works right? I mean something happens, crying ensues, then we get an adjustment to the extreme opposite of the complaint.

The way I approached this event was, I won a weapon module for every 30 qualifying games. PGI was collecting faction population data this weekend as well as getting a feel for how the quirks alter mech selection and weapon usage. Does anyone really think this weekend in particular had anything to do with who is the best single player at anything?

[Johnny Slam]

Cavale, on 16 November 2014 - 11:17 PM, said:

Of note, Bishop is probably old enough to be your Dad with how immature you're acting...

I like to think he'd have raised you better though.

That's funny! I will be sure to tell him that his little minion was chirping for him.

[Johnny Slam]

Bishop Steiner, on 16 November 2014 - 09:26 PM, said:

and your 14 post account already has me beat for ego, Amazing.

Ha hahahahahha, so you're going to try and ignore the point about slamming people for inflating themselves whilst being vastly inflated and try to focus on my low post count? hahahahhahahah!

Well clearly I hit close to the mark, so here is a challenge for you Bigmouth Steiner, lets see if you can go 3 days without posting... I am betting you cannot. Addicted to attention? admitting you have a problem is the first step!

Ha! totally avoiding the part about self-importance... priceless!

[Bishop Steiner]

Johnny Slam, on 17 November 2014 - 11:18 AM, said:

Ha hahahahahha, so you're going to try and ignore the point about slamming people for inflating themselves whilst being vastly inflated and try to focus on my low post count? hahahahhahahah!

Well clearly I hit close to the mark, so here is a challenge for you Bigmouth Steiner, lets see if you can go 3 days without posting... I am betting you cannot. Addicted to attention? admitting you have a problem is the first step!

Ha! totally avoiding the part about self-importance... priceless!

actually, if I gave a crap about what you thought, I'd be elevating your importance. You have none. So feel you have your little victory. And I'll continue to treat you like the cockroach you are acting like.

[pwnface]

While Johnny Slam is being rather childish, I don't think it is fair for Bishop Steiner to condemn people who wanted to compete in the leaderboards for this weekends event. I am one of those individuals who were shooting for 1k+ damage 12 assist matches to boost my scores, don't blame me for PGI screwing up royally on the scoring formula. Trust me, I don't enjoy assist farming at all. I do enjoy receiving free MC and C-Bills though.

[Bishop Steiner]

pwnface, on 17 November 2014 - 01:58 PM, said:

While Johnny Slam is being rather childish, I don't think it is fair for Bishop Steiner to condemn people who wanted to compete in the leaderboards for this weekends event. I am one of those individuals who were shooting for 1k+ damage 12 assist matches to boost my scores, don't blame me for PGI screwing up royally on the scoring formula. Trust me, I don't enjoy assist farming at all. I do enjoy receiving free MC and C-Bills though.

And you admit it. Now if you try to point to your place on the leaderboard as actually meaning anything, then yeah, you deserve ridicule, which I think is what I said.

I do ridicule those who think these leaderboards prove anything other than one is really good at playing really badly, if one actually wants to win. This was a poorly designed event, that encouraged a lot of poor play. If you played it to maximize rewards, more power to you.

Call me weird, if you want, but I would rather spend 7 bucks and by the MC, while playing the game to win, then slog through 100 or more matches trying to maximize an idiotic point formula.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 17 November 2014 - 02:10 PM.

[pwnface]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 November 2014 - 02:09 PM, said:

And you admit it. Now if you try to point to your place on the leaderboard as actually meaning anything, then yeah, you deserve ridicule, which I think is what I said.

I do ridicule those who think these leaderboards prove anything other than one is really good at playing really badly, if one actually wants to win. This was a poorly designed event, that encouraged a lot of poor play. If you played it to maximize rewards, more power to you.

Oops, I didn't notice this part in your previous posts. In that case carry on!

I rather not give PGI any money right now actually, because I know some of that money will go directly toward employees of PGI whom I greatly dislike. I can't justify spending any money that will end up in the hands of individuals who have abused their power to play favorites.

[Bishop Steiner]

pwnface, on 17 November 2014 - 02:19 PM, said:

Oops, I didn't notice this part in your previous posts. In that case carry on!

I rather not give PGI any money right now actually, because I know some of that money will go directly toward employees of PGI whom I greatly dislike. I can't justify spending any money that will end up in the hands of individuals who have abused their power to play favorites.

It's all good man, but I see that DRG-1N of yours again, i'm taking that arm off! Dang thing is evil!

[pwnface]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 November 2014 - 02:23 PM, said:

It's all good man, but I see that DRG-1N of yours again, i'm taking that arm off! Dang thing is evil!

Thanks

[rageagainstthedyingofthelight]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 November 2014 - 02:09 PM, said:

And you admit it. Now if you try to point to your place on the leaderboard as actually meaning anything, then yeah, you deserve ridicule, which I think is what I said.

I do ridicule those who think these leaderboards prove anything other than one is really good at playing really badly, if one actually wants to win. This was a poorly designed event, that encouraged a lot of poor play. If you played it to maximize rewards, more power to you.

Call me weird, if you want, but I would rather spend 7 bucks and by the MC, while playing the game to win, then slog through 100 or more matches trying to maximize an idiotic point formula.

I was on the fence about what you were saying until this post, because completing the objectives set before you is what a "game" is all about.

If the objective is "get the most assists" then people who find ways to do that are better gamers than people who whine that they don't like the rules. It's akin to people whining about game modes, escort quests or jumping puzzles. Its the challenge you were given, figure out the best way to do it.

So, yes, I think people who figured out the rules and accomplished the objectives are better than those who complain about the objectives at playing the game they were given.

[Bishop Steiner]

rageagainstthedyingofthelight, on 17 November 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

I was on the fence about what you were saying until this post, because completing the objectives set before you is what a "game" is all about.

If the objective is "get the most assists" then people who find ways to do that are better gamers than people who whine that they don't like the rules. It's akin to people whining about game modes, escort quests or jumping puzzles. Its the challenge you were given, figure out the best way to do it.

So, yes, I think people who figured out the rules and accomplished the objectives are better than those who complain about the objectives at playing the game they were given.

Yes, and while you are farming assists and the team loses the match, that is so much fun for the rest of us who game for reasons other than minmax farming. Bravo.

[pwnface]

rageagainstthedyingofthelight, on 17 November 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

So, yes, I think people who figured out the rules and accomplished the objectives are better than those who complain about the objectives at playing the game they were given.

They are better at completing those objectives based on the rules of the competition, but not necessarily better players in MWO. I think excellent players will have an easier time excelling in competitions where there are weird rules (assist are the best) but it isn't a fair measure of how good a player actually is in MWO as a whole.

I feel like even when I am farming assists, if I cripple 4 enemy mechs and leave them 1 hit from dying I am contributing greatly to my team's success. Obviously, if I just finished them off it would be helping my team even more but I'm definitely still trying to help my team win (as it is necessary to get my sweet sweet assists *ew*).

Edited by pwnface, 17 November 2014 - 02:50 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

pwnface, on 17 November 2014 - 02:47 PM, said:

They are better at completing those objectives based on the rules of the competition, but not necessarily better players in MWO. I think excellent players will have an easier time excelling in competitions where there are weird rules (assist are the best) but it isn't a fair measure of how good a player actually is in MWO as a whole.

And to be bluntly honest, gaming the rules for assist farming is something a trained monkey could do. Getting the attendant 1000 damage matches, admittedly, not so easy. Doubly so if you refuse to uber-cheese to do it. But just "scratch farming"? dirt easy if I decide to ignore all other objectives to do it. And if one is the least bit patient, take a Cheese-Raven, with ecm and 2 ER LArges and scratch away, while the enemy focuses on the real threats. Sure it will bite you in the but some matches, but it will average out.

Gaming the system is not generally all that difficult. And it certainly isn't anything to brag about.

I made an extra 3 million over 55 matches, and honestly never bothered even checking the leaderboards, as unlike the chassis challenge, the results were empty fluff, IMO. So yeah, as the OP said, not "mad at the tournament", but it was a pretty weak scenario.

But then again, I also found poptarting to be an idiotic way to play a video game. If I wanted to game the rules into monotony, I'd play whack a mole, or something.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 17 November 2014 - 02:53 PM.

[rageagainstthedyingofthelight]

You mention all these things, yet didn't accomplish them, even though a monkey could? Are monkeys better at MWO than you?

And the trick was to get assists and win at the same time while scoring high damage. It was easier for me to get a bunch of kills and high damage, but for this run, I tried a different tactic, because the game called for different tactics.

As a side note, any time some one resorts to name calling, their argument loses all its merit.

My wife walked by and told me not to post that last one, but I told her I never found a bear I didn't want to poke with a stick.

So...

Poke.

[Bishop Steiner]

rageagainstthedyingofthelight, on 17 November 2014 - 02:59 PM, said:

You mention all these things, yet didn't accomplish them, even though a monkey could? Are monkeys better at MWO than you?

And the trick was to get assists and win at the same time while scoring high damage. It was easier for me to get a bunch of kills and high damage, but for this run, I tried a different tactic, because the game called for different tactics.

As a side note, any time some one resorts to name calling, their argument loses all its merit.

No, because unlike a monkey, I don't get entertained by monotonously doing the same thing over and over again. I play games to actually have fun. And I play to actually win the match, not game the rules, a concept you obviously can't grasp, so you flail against anyone who point's out the emperor has no clothes. If you felt I was calling you a monkey, then your grasp of language, word pictures, allegory, etc is woeful. And that is a you problem.

Well, enjoy your crown, King Nothing.

[rageagainstthedyingofthelight]

pwnface, on 17 November 2014 - 02:47 PM, said:

They are better at completing those objectives based on the rules of the competition, but not necessarily better players in MWO. I think excellent players will have an easier time excelling in competitions where there are weird rules (assist are the best) but it isn't a fair measure of how good a player actually is in MWO as a whole.

So what is the standard of who is best? If you can complete those objectives and still win, doesn't that make you a good pilot? Because only team wins counted, regardless of personal score, so what is the standard here?

What is best? Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.

Bishop Steiner, on 17 November 2014 - 03:02 PM, said:

Well, enjoy your crown, King Nothing.

See how we're different? I go after your argument, you go after me. And with bad Metallica references no less.

[pwnface]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 November 2014 - 03:02 PM, said:

No, because unlike a monkey, I don't get entertained by monotonously doing the same thing over and over again. I play games to actually have fun. And I play to actually win the match, not game the rules, a concept you obviously can't grasp...

While I certainly didn't have fun grinding for high damage and assists, I don't think having fun, gaming the rules, and winning are mutually exclusive in this case. Some people might enjoy trying to get 1000 damage 12 assist matches, I certainly don't though. Actually in order to get 12 assist your team does need to win, so theres that...

[pwnface]

rageagainstthedyingofthelight, on 17 November 2014 - 03:05 PM, said:

So what is the standard of who is best? If you can complete those objectives and still win, doesn't that make you a good pilot? Because only team wins counted, regardless of personal score, so what is the standard here?

What is best? Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.

Best is kind of hard to determine using metrics in a team based game, but generally killing enemy mechs efficiently is the best way to win. This is kind of hard to measure though, because you could do 1500 damage and open up the CT of every mech on the enemy team but not have any kills or you could do 700 damage and get 10 kills. Both contributed greatly to your team winning, neither is really "best".