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[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 November 2014 - 08:04 PM, said:

lol. ah, u hurt my feelings.

If I wanted, or needed to do that? Got plenty of screencaps, darling. Except, you see, I don't NEED to.

Im not shy

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Belkor, on 15 November 2014 - 09:48 PM, said:

That is pretty dumb. What were the tourney organizers thinking?

They werent.

[Yumemi79]

487068431156787449 HBK-4P 2 620 10 3 261 2014-11-16 05:46:07 486505562807745347 HBK-4P 4 599 8 4 240 2014-11-16 05:56:37

I wonder how the lights and mediums do in this tournament. As it is obviously harder for most chassis and in those stomps to get 1000+ damage.

Edited by Yumemi79, 15 November 2014 - 10:44 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Yumemi79, on 15 November 2014 - 10:44 PM, said:

487068431156787449 HBK-4P 2 620 10 3 261 2014-11-16 05:46:07 486505562807745347 HBK-4P 4 599 8 4 240 2014-11-16 05:56:37

I wonder how the lights and mediums do in this tournament. As it is obviously harder for most chassis and in those stomps to get 1000+ damage.

They dont, they just get more assists

[xengk]

Yumemi79, on 15 November 2014 - 10:44 PM, said:

487068431156787449 HBK-4P 2 620 10 3 261 2014-11-16 05:46:07 486505562807745347 HBK-4P 4 599 8 4 240 2014-11-16 05:56:37

I wonder how the lights and mediums do in this tournament. As it is obviously harder for most chassis and in those stomps to get 1000+ damage.

Medium mech is all about the assist baby.



I only got 28 shot of AC20, can't expect me to kill the whole enemy team with that?
It's doesn't pay well without assist.

[Deathlike]

Abivard, on 15 November 2014 - 07:00 PM, said:

130 score is easy to get, only wins count so it is really 110 points you need to score;

For the C-bills, getting the win does not add to the C-bill scoring bonus.

[QuantumButler]

xengk, on 15 November 2014 - 11:55 PM, said:

Medium mech is all about the assist baby.



I only got 28 shot of AC20, can't expect me to kill the whole enemy team with that?
It's doesn't pay well without assist.

HBKs are shockingly good for this event since your main gun is so high up you can peek over and around corners with near impunity, and you have a head laser to do this with too.

Plus it is possible to carry your team in HBKs, unlike if you use some stupid 2x blue laser build.

Edited by QuantumButler, 16 November 2014 - 12:42 AM.

[xengk]

QuantumButler, on 16 November 2014 - 12:41 AM, said:

HBKs are shockingly good for this event since your main gun is so high up you can peek over and around corners with near impunity, and you have a head laser to do this with too.

Plus it is possible to carry your team in HBKs, unlike if you use some stupid 2x blue laser build.

I run my 4G near stock weapons.
AC20 w 4t, 3xML, 250 STD.
Highest kill was 6 in this mech.

Been poking things all night in the tournament.
My playstyle didn't change for the tournament, maim and disable then move on to the next skirmish that needs an AC20 to turn the tide.
Let the whoever else currently engage with the wounded mech finish it, will only kill it if I am the only person there.

Edited by xengk, 16 November 2014 - 01:53 AM.

[Yumemi79]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 15 November 2014 - 11:13 PM, said:

They dont, they just get more assists

well, it´s a fine line between 12 assists and a lot of damage and 4 kills/8 assist or 2 kills/10 assist. So as i fulfilled those two, i only lack damage it seems for 300 points.

[bluepiglet]

No sh!t......

The one on the left didn't show on the ss, but it was there...

Edited by bluepiglet, 16 November 2014 - 04:19 AM.

[MountainCopper]

With cbill rewards during tournaments, you will either get:

• "Hunting for Assists" or
  
• "Kill-Stealing above everything else"

Both times, the amount of LRMs shoots up. And one-shot all-firepower projectile builds in the latter case...

The formula emphasizing Assists over Kills is better than the other one, but still could use adjustments where these two criteria yielding nearly the same amount of points.
I will also mention the fact, that hitting an enemy target for 1 damage and being granted an Assist for it, is a laughable definition overall.

Edited by GoldenFleece, 16 November 2014 - 08:40 AM.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Deathlike, on 15 November 2014 - 04:37 PM, said:

FarmWarrior Online.

Ol' Mechfarmer had a mechbay... P G P G I.

Seriously, I simply can't and won't be able to get 100 matches for 10m. I don't know how much of your soul you have to sell to get that, when the last time it was done, it was only 20 matches for 10m... a far "easier" challenge (it required some skill/luck, but it wasn't for everyone though) than the massive grindfest this has turned out to be (which is still not for everyone).

It doesn't cease to amaze me how far off the mark has been missed.

Wintersdark, on 15 November 2014 - 05:11 PM, said:

Yeah... Honestly, the last 10m was outside of my reach. Not because it was too hard to get that score - realistically, I was scoring in 1/3 matches (assuming roughly 50% losses not scoring then some wins where we rolled them too quickly to build a good score.

I can't do 60 matches in a weekend, not even close


300 matches? Good god.

Guy's these are free C-bills here. Seriously, PGI doesn't have to do it at all so we should be happy they are giving us free C-bills, not whinning about it. Sure, I preferred getting 10 million in only 20 matches but so far this weekend, I had 19 qualifying matches so that is an extra 1.9 million C-bills I wouldn't have had if they hadn't added in this bonus to the weekend. 1.9 million is roughly 2 hours of play for me so that is a pretty good bonus. Now am I going to hit 10 million. Nope, no way in hell. At my current pace of wins I would have to run like 180 matches and I don't think I have ever broke 100 on a weekend (93 for Halloween event). However, I will likely hit at least 3-4 million which will afford me another weapon module I wouldn't have been able to afford previously.

Abivard, on 15 November 2014 - 07:00 PM, said:

130 score is easy to get, only wins count so it is really 110 points you need to score;

That means 1 kill, 5 assists and 150 damage.

If you can not do that or an equivalent than you are doing something really,really wrong.

The problem is the leaderboards. Which means many players want to get high scores, to get high scores you have to do what the score formula tells you to do to get it.

For this tournament it is telling you DO NOT GET ANY KILLS!
A Kill is now a penalty to your score.
refraining from killing a mech is BAD team play and poor sportsmanship.

Actually for the extra 10 million, you don't need to win. I got a couple losses that counted as qualified. However, 130 is kind of hard to do on a loss. For example I had several losses where I did 400-500 damage and even manged a kill or two before the team got rolled. In those cases you might end up with 1 kill (10 points), 2 assists (40 points) and 20 points for damage. That is only 70 points because your team can't do their part. Of course the sad part is that this is maybe due to the fact they are all trying to insure they don't kill anyone because of the stupid formula.

Edited by Viktor Drake, 16 November 2014 - 05:26 AM.

[Eboli]

It is absolutely amazing. People are so scared of getting kills. I just sat and watched a healthy direwolf leg a Kitfox and then just sat there with its tag on and spreading damage over its chassis so it did not get the kill.

Same match - last remaining Madcat took absolutely ages to kill as it lost its limbs because people were not going for the kill shot.

So sad...

I get 3 kills, 1 assist, 706 damage and 96 points for the game...

Very poor way of doing things PGI.

[Mudhutwarrior]

The Tourney is perfect for exploit warriors. In Solos its been a disaster with so many trying to score over winning the match or helping teammates.
When you factor in the rampant synch dropping going on there is no chance for really skilled players in solo. I am sure a few did well as there are exceptions to every rule but as a whole solo que was no place to be. I got my stinking Hula tramp so I quit why I was ahead. Did not even read what the scoring was just played as I always do. For some reason I made the top ten for a while so maybe the real pilots hadn't started yet. I'm not that good by a long shot.

Like most tourneys scores mean nothing when so many game it. I haven't trusted anyone's stats in a long long time. For those who really are good I am sorry you get lost in the backwash.

[Bishop Steiner]

Aresye, on 15 November 2014 - 10:07 PM, said:

In the title itself: "Not Sure What Is Sadder, The Actual Scoring System (Tournament) Or The Way Players Are Gaming The System, Lol."

It's not so much an insult as it comes across as very condescending. Yes, PGI created a rather baffling formula that inspires bad play behavior, but to attack the actual players themselves who have no choice in the matter by calling them "sad," that's a bit overboard, don't you think?

I mean, it's not like there aren't any players that just simply want/need the CBills, and the only way for them to do that is to suck up to the tournament formula.

*Edit*
I know your reply wasn't directed at me.

Funny thing is, whether you score 130, or 330, you get the same cbill bonus per match. So the only "gaming" needed if for people who are shooting for the leaderboard. First prize being....8 bucks worth of MC? You can't honestly tell me that it's worth it to have to do the yoga needed to get those 300 pt matches, ALL WEEKEND for 8 bucks in MC. Thus, yeah, to me it appears to be about the epeen of being on the leaderboard.... of a tourney that is all about playing as bad as possible to actually win the match.

Am I in the tourney? Sure. As I said, got nothing against it, per se, aside from a stupid scoring formula. But getting an extra 100k cbills every other match or so, for not doing anything different than I normally would? Aces.

But this is one of the most meaningless Leaderboards I have ever seen, period. So yeah, the people already attaching swagger to having avoided the most kills, it's pretty silly. (And yeah, I know you are ranking high on the leaderboard. Sorry if it feels like an attack, but I also know as a competitive player for you, playing" the game" (aka whatever the rules set forth) is probably the important part , and in this weekend's challenge, the game is just bad)

The good news? PGI gets plenty of telemetry data, for future refinements.

Shrugs.

So I guess, if people feel patronized or insulted, it's because they really know just how meaningless the scoring system makes this Tourney, but don't want to admit it?

Yes, PGI set out the rules, and even Russ has realized they were....kinda bad. But hey, if you know the rules are dumb, there is nothing forcing you to cater to them. That is on the individual player. Play it how you like, it's what I am doing (aka, playing like i always do, to win the match, not the "game").

But to deny this is a pretty bad Tourney, with no real meaning to one's "status"? That's just lying to oneself. I know you know it, because the formula you proposed as a counter to this one was awesome.

Crunk Prime, on 15 November 2014 - 10:11 PM, said:

I actually saw players avoid killing almost dead mechs that were killing their teammates, just because they didnt want to get a kill, and wanted the assist instead.

ggclose

Mudhutwarrior, on 16 November 2014 - 06:23 AM, said:

The Tourney is perfect for exploit warriors. In Solos its been a disaster with so many trying to score over winning the match or helping teammates.

When you factor in the rampant synch dropping going on there is no chance for really skilled players in solo. I am sure a few did well as there are exceptions to every rule but as a whole solo que was no place to be. I got my stinking Hula tramp so I quit why I was ahead. Did not even read what the scoring was just played as I always do. For some reason I made the top ten for a while so maybe the real pilots hadn't started yet. I'm not that good by a long shot.



Like most tourneys scores mean nothing when so many game it. I haven't trusted anyone's stats in a long long time. For those who really are good I am sorry you get lost in the backwash.

Eboli, on 16 November 2014 - 06:04 AM, said:

It is absolutely amazing. People are so scared of getting kills. I just sat and watched a healthy direwolf leg a Kitfox and then just sat there with its tag on and spreading damage over its chassis so it did not get the kill.



Same match - last remaining Madcat took absolutely ages to kill as it lost its limbs because people were not going for the kill shot.



So sad...



I get 3 kills, 1 assist, 706 damage and 96 points for the game...



Very poor way of doing things PGI.

Viktor Drake, on 16 November 2014 - 05:24 AM, said:

Actually for the extra 10 million, you don't need to win. I got a couple losses that counted as qualified. However, 130 is kind of hard to do on a loss. For example I had several losses where I did 400-500 damage and even manged a kill or two before the team got rolled. In those cases you might end up with 1 kill (10 points), 2 assists (40 points) and 20 points for damage. That is only 70 points because your team can't do their part. Of course the sad part is that this is maybe due to the fact they are all trying to insure they don't kill anyone because of the stupid formula.

Don't let Kilo 40 hear you say that, he'll tell you you made it up because you are bad at the tournament!

Kilo 40, on 15 November 2014 - 07:08 PM, said:

I'm butthurt? About what? How is it butthurt to say your conclusion that everyone is avoidind getting kills was pulled out of your ass?



Also I'm not sure what that twitter post is for. Did I say it wasn't a mistake or something?

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 16 November 2014 - 07:15 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

xengk, on 15 November 2014 - 11:55 PM, said:

Medium mech is all about the assist baby.



I only got 28 shot of AC20, can't expect me to kill the whole enemy team with that?
It's doesn't pay well without assist.

I squeezed 31 shots into mine, but that still 620 with perfect aim, before it's pew pew pew time, lol! I find it hard to break 800 in my little HBK now, actually harder than before quirks. That KaliYama Big Bore just kills things too well, even stuff I am trying not to kill, lol.

^Probably have to change to something big and sloppy if I want a high score, lol.

QuantumButler, on 16 November 2014 - 12:41 AM, said:

HBKs are shockingly good for this event since your main gun is so high up you can peek over and around corners with near impunity, and you have a head laser to do this with too.

Plus it is possible to carry your team in HBKs, unlike if you use some stupid 2x blue laser build.

Yeah, that cannon is great for peek-a-boo. But it is harder to "shoot to maim" after a while. Those accidental kills add up!

xengk, on 16 November 2014 - 01:53 AM, said:

I run my 4G near stock weapons.
AC20 w 4t, 3xML, 250 STD.
Highest kill was 6 in this mech.

Been poking things all night in the tournament.
My playstyle didn't change for the tournament, maim and disable then move on to the next skirmish that needs an AC20 to turn the tide.
Let the whoever else currently engage with the wounded mech finish it, will only kill it if I am the only person there.

which is usually the right way to win the actual match, in a medium skirmisher, anyhow. I only pack a 220, I think, in mine. What is your armor at?

Yumemi79, on 16 November 2014 - 03:57 AM, said:

well, it´s a fine line between 12 assists and a lot of damage and 4 kills/8 assist or 2 kills/10 assist. So as i fulfilled those two, i only lack damage it seems for 300 points.

well since it's 10 pts for every 150 damage (after any team damage is subtracted) to count on your damage to have much impact means needing a minimum 750.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 16 November 2014 - 07:10 AM.

[TyphonCh]

It's time like these when I miss the re arm and repair costs... Stopped people from lobbing missiles and ballistics willy nilly.
Oh wait. The C-bill grind is soooo haaarrrddd...
Will never happen.

[Kirkland Langue]

Mystere, on 15 November 2014 - 05:23 PM, said:

The problem is that the person who just did just 1 damage, the one that did 1 damage to kill, and the one that soloed a kill, will all be treated the same.

I think a better criteria, albeit a much harder one, is to just reward someone who did most damage and the kill. That should hopefully force people to stick to target.

As it is, the person who does 1 damage without doing anything meaningful gets MORE than the person who otherwise solo'd the target.

Kills and assists should be worth the same - bonus points given for solo or most damage done. But PGI is absolute trash when it comes to the brains department, unless the entire reason for MWO is to test player's ability to withstand ridiculousness. There isn't a part of MWO which is well developed, but we keep coming back for more.

Pretty sure MWO actually stands for Masochistic Warriors Online.

Edited by Kirkland Langue, 16 November 2014 - 07:23 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Kirkland Langue, on 16 November 2014 - 07:23 AM, said:

As it is, the person who does 1 damage without doing anything meaningful gets MORE than the person who otherwise solo'd the target.

Kills and assists should be worth the same - bonus points given for solo or most damage done. But PGI is absolute trash when it comes to the brains department, unless the entire reason for MWO is to test player's ability to withstand ridiculousness. There isn't a part of MWO which is well developed, but we keep coming back for more.

Pretty sure MWO actually stands for Masochistic Warriors Online.

Well, for these tourneys, it is definitely "ME" Warrior: Online.

[Quaamik]

"kill stealing" - <rolls eyes>.....

Would you prefer if people just stand around not firing on a mech so you can have a one on one? Oh wait, then I'm sure the b!#ch would be that you lost because no ne acted as a team and focused fire.

You sound like the PuGs that used to complain when people asked to hold locks that that they should get up in front to get their own locks, then complained when they lost because the other team actually acted as a team.

The correction would be to credit as much to the person with the most damage on a mech as tot he one who killed it. Surprise!! already done:

Rewards 2.0 - What is the New Balance?
Reward New Reward Given XP New Reward Given CB
Kill 30 4000
Assist 20 2500
Kill Most Damage 80 5000
Solo Kill 280 10000

Edited by Quaamik, 16 November 2014 - 08:32 AM.