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[KuroNyra]

Good_Cat, on 22 November 2014 - 05:12 AM, said:

Rather than the Rakshasa which nearly everyone has to BattleTechWiki and is just an IS copy/paste TiberWolf why not a Maurader it's an iconic IS mech of the period ??

Harmony Gold said:

LOLNO

Edited by KuroNyra, 22 November 2014 - 09:02 AM.

[Escef]

Alek Ituin, on 19 November 2014 - 01:50 AM, said:

But when canon also says that it takes the very best pilots to do even basic hand-to-hand combat, I refuse to believe they can do handstands

Canon does NOT say it takes the very best pilots to do basic HtH combat. Mechs have a damnable toggle for "punching mode", do you seriously mean to say that it takes "the very best" to hit a toggle switch? As for what you believe canon does or does not say...

"Talented MechWarriors have gotten assault 'Mechs to skip sideways to avoid missiles, executed handstands under carefully controlled conditions, and otherwise tapped some of the often-unused potential of a BattleMech's limbs for complicated movements." - TechManual, page 40

Edited by Escef, 22 November 2014 - 09:17 AM.

[Lightfoot]

3055 for Rakshasa.

3052 for Bandersnatch, which is the best I.S. 75 ton mech, at least for MWO. The Horus Hero mech comes with an AC20 in each arm. How's that for the P2W whiners? Whine-fest 3052 incoming.

[Viges]

Why cry when you can buy it for cbills?

[Escef]

Water Bear, on 19 November 2014 - 07:12 AM, said:

You could mount 2 lrm 10s, a large XL engine, and 2 er large lasers on an Orion right now. I'm pretty sure everyone would laugh themselves to death.

I run a 300XL, endo, 2xjump jets, 2xLRM10, 2xLL, and 2xML on a CPLT-C1. It isn't bad, and has overall better hitboxes than the Orion.

[Alek Ituin]

Escef, on 22 November 2014 - 09:16 AM, said:

Canon does NOT say it takes the very best pilots to do basic HtH combat. Mechs have a damnable toggle for "punching mode", do you seriously mean to say that it takes "the very best" to hit a toggle switch? As for what you believe canon does or does not say...

"Talented MechWarriors have gotten assault 'Mechs to skip sideways to avoid missiles, executed handstands under carefully controlled conditions, and otherwise tapped some of the often-unused potential of a BattleMech's limbs for complicated movements." - TechManual, page 40

Punching =/= Hand to hand combat. Maybe you need to study up on the myriad forms of melee combat, unless "drunken bar brawler" is the only form you know. It takes a skilled pilot to do something other than punch, but I doubt you'd know any other techniques. So much for "just hitting a toggle switch".

But I also think you fail to comprehend "carefully controlled conditions" and "some of the untapped potential". It's not "all of the untapped potential" and "in any conditions". Uh oh, it seems like Mechs are still pretty darn clunky, even with talented pilots!

IMAGINE THAT.

[Escef]

Alek Ituin, on 22 November 2014 - 09:58 AM, said:

Punching =/= Hand to hand combat.

So, what is it then, genius? Because I call that statement an attempt to move the goalposts.

[kapusta11]

How is Rakshasa similar to Timberwolf?

[FupDup]

kapusta11, on 22 November 2014 - 10:07 AM, said:

How is Rakshasa similar to Timberwolf?

The former is a cheap ripoff attempt of the latter, both in loadout and aesthetics. Although the Rak certainly isn't as good as the Timber, at least not in TT... (would MWO customization reduce the gap?).

[Metus regem]

Brody319, on 18 November 2014 - 11:33 PM, said:

Its simple, add the Timberwolf mk 2.
That should piss them off so much, that they will forget the timberwolf.

I mean since we are already breaking canon for some mechs. I guess we could go ahead and just put a dropship on legs and have it be a behemoth class mech. Would go perfect with the urban mech. I think 12 gauss and 12 ppcs with 200 tons of heat sinks should piss off the kids.

No use the Mad Cat Mk III, and forever give the middle finger to LBX auto cannons... And Nerf every weapon in the game too.

[Escef]

FupDup, on 22 November 2014 - 10:09 AM, said:

The former is a cheap ripoff attempt of the latter, both in loadout and aesthetics. Although the Rak certainly isn't as good as the Timber, at least not in TT... (would MWO customization reduce the gap?).

Would it reduce the gap? Probably not. No jump jets or ballistic points. Stalker-esque hitboxes would help, bit it's just lasers and missiles. Nothing you can't do with several other IS heavies.

[Metus regem]

FupDup, on 22 November 2014 - 10:09 AM, said:

The former is a cheap ripoff attempt of the latter, both in loadout and aesthetics. Although the Rak certainly isn't as good as the Timber, at least not in TT... (would MWO customization reduce the gap?).

In TT it is a death trap, ammo in the side torsos with an IS XL engine and no CASE.... One ammo explosion and that mech is gone for good in TT....

[Escef]

Metus regem, on 22 November 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:

In TT it is a death trap, ammo in the side torsos with an IS XL engine and no CASE.... One ammo explosion and that mech is gone for good in TT....

CASE would only help it for R&R/salvage purposes. Also, it only has 12 shots/launcher, it can burn through it quickly.

[Alek Ituin]

Escef, on 22 November 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:

So, what is it then, genius? Because I call that statement an attempt to move the goalposts.

I'm saying that there's more to HtH combat than punching. It's not "moving the goal post", it's pointing out a fact.

Maybe you've never had the chance to learn about any of the forms of martial arts, which all fall under "HtH combat techniques". Originally, my point was that it took a skilled pilot to do anything more than punching and basic stuff. Skilled pilots could use basic martial arts techniques as well in close combat, not just the toggle switch pre-programmed crap.


So genius, you getting it yet?

Edited by Alek Ituin, 22 November 2014 - 10:41 AM.

[Escef]

Alek Ituin, on 22 November 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:

I'm saying that there's more to HtH combat than punching.

No, you said punching isn't HtH combat.

Look, first you say things that are canon are not canon, then say that punching isn't HtH combat. All you're doing right now is making yourself look stupid. I recommend you cut your losses and STFU.

[Adiuvo]

Gyrok, on 19 November 2014 - 07:01 AM, said:

Mobility is not an issue, as it pays for that with Engine size...Victor nerfs redux anyone? No thank you. You finally got the ballerina Victors back, you are not taking away ours.

The Rear Torsos do not have broken hitboxes either. You shoot them in the back, they take damage.

There is not a "cheat jumping" issue either. The JJs on the TW have no impact on hit reg beyond the issues hit reg already has.

Go play a 5SS TDR and scream about how "not OP" that one is...

I still don't know how you believe the things you type.

[Alek Ituin]

Escef, on 22 November 2014 - 10:47 AM, said:

No, you said punching isn't HtH combat.

Look, first you say things that are canon are not canon, then say that punching isn't HtH combat. All you're doing right now is making yourself look stupid. I recommend you cut your losses and STFU.

Oh really? Because I said "Punching does not equal (=/=) HtH combat". "Does not equal" doesn't mean "isn't", I'm pretty sure even you can understand the difference between the two.

As for canon, I'm still not seeing how you've proved me wrong on anything but hand stands. I've said that I accept side steps and other advanced movements, but that hand stands were in the realm of the ridiculous.


So, in light of this, how about you cut your losses and STFU? Sound good? Great.

[Escef]

Alek Ituin, on 22 November 2014 - 11:12 AM, said:

Sound good? Great.

Instead of denialism, try being an adult. In the meantime, you know what sounds great? Blocking you.

Edited by Escef, 22 November 2014 - 11:28 AM.

[Alek Ituin]

Escef, on 22 November 2014 - 11:18 AM, said:

Instead of denialism, try being an adult. In the meantime, you know what sounds great? Blocking you.

Yes. Because that's the most adult and mature thing to do. Not working the problem out or anything, nope, you're just running away from it. Super adult behavior there, such a role model.

Kinda pathetic really.

[Diablo Intercepter]

Lightfoot, on 22 November 2014 - 09:16 AM, said:

Bandersnatch,

YES!