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[Davegt27]

Ok Community warfare for us pugs (short for pick-up-group players) also called new people

Part 1
First let’s lay some ground work

You like Mech Warrior Online (MWO) but you’re not married to the game
You sort of understand that MMO is based on the Battle Tech table top game
(I am old and we called Monopoly a table top game and Battle Tech would be a book case game)

Battle Tech games, books and computer games are what is called the battle tech universe

In this galaxy of war and this date 3050 MWO will focus on three areas and two major sides and several lesser sides



Areas (of the universe)
Known space called the inner sphere
The periphery (outside of the control of the major houses)
And beyond the periphery

Sides
or factions




Side A:
The inner sphere ruled and controlled by major houses (like nations for lack of a better term)
These inner sphere houses have been having on again off again wars
for over 300 years.


Side B:
The "Clans" also major houses they come from beyond the periphery


Side C: “Mercenaries” these are not loyal to any one side or house. Mercenaries are fighters but fight for whom ever pays

Side D:
Militia part time warriors not sure if the clans have an equivalent

Side E: loyalist probably equivalent to inner sphere Militia


Units
Under sides comes units, not sure on the size
But logically they would be equivalent to a Company/Wing size and smaller
The smallest would be you the single player


Definition:
Community Warfare is a group of people participating in a game for fun where they take up roles that mimics real world or fantasy warfare.

When I was a kid before PC computers we would play Army or Cowboys and Indians
Well we were having community warfare

Later some people played table top games like the "Game of Life" or "Risk" a more complex tabletop games would be "Star Fleet Battles" and "Battle Tech"

End of part one

HTH
Davegt27

feel free to edit correct rewrite and or add part 2

Edited by Davegt27, 10 December 2014 - 10:35 AM.

[Lily from animove]

How about: "don't go CW!" ?
I doubt newbies and puggers will have fun in CW, since it's success will be about groupplay, which for newbies is hard as they still lern the ropes of the game. And the Puggers are Puggers because they don't want to group, so they either have to lern stop being puggers, or they will not go there.

[Mudhutwarrior]

CW... LOL

It's a joke, Karma for all the tryhards in the game.

[Willard Phule]

Lily from animove, on 21 November 2014 - 02:11 AM, said:

How about: "don't go CW!" ?
I doubt newbies and puggers will have fun in CW, since it's success will be about groupplay, which for newbies is hard as they still lern the ropes of the game. And the Puggers are Puggers because they don't want to group, so they either have to lern stop being puggers, or they will not go there.

Yeah.

People that don't want to join organized units, for whatever reason, are simply trash. Why haven't these losers figured out that the end-all, be-all of MW:O is to be part of a group? Noone wants those stupid solo players here. They should just all leave and find another game to play.

Join a group or get out!

Edited by Willard Phule, 21 November 2014 - 03:03 AM.

[Davegt27]

I am a 100% "pugger" and after watching the town hall meeting I am on the fence

I also really liked it when we had the Clan VS inner sphere matches

I like MWO but I don't want to get married to the game
I really don't want study the lore or study tonnage and all that it means

But let’s say there was a pop-up when I logged on "hey you want to sortie in an inner sphere vs clans match"

I might go for it

Anyway I figured I would try to get what little I know in one location


davegt27

[Tekadept]

I have a feeling very few people will play CW after a while as they will get bored to death with the limited amount of CW maps unless they pull the finger up and convert the rest.

[MadPanda]

CW wont last 6 months if you can't convince the "puggers" to join in. Funny attitudes some repliers here have.

[Davegt27]

"CW won’t last 6 months if you can't convince the "puggers" to join in. Funny attitudes some repliers here have."

I hear you, I just have to overlook some stuff and press on with trying to help myself and others get a better understanding of CW

Edited by Davegt27, 21 November 2014 - 03:21 AM.

[Tristan Winter]

Cowboys and indians!? You crazy youngsters. When I was a little boy, we played homosapiens sapiens and neanderthals. That was our community warfare. Monopoly? We just had sticks and stones. Some kids on my block had obsidian, and everyone hated those spoiled brats.

You also forgot to mention loyalty points, which is like when your tribe leader awards the hunter-gatherers with mammoth skins and flower powder to paint your face with.

Now get off my lawn.

Edited by Nicolai Kabrinsky, 21 November 2014 - 03:32 AM.

[Elizander]

If PGI releases decent pre-set CW drop decks for not-so-caught-up players to use then it might work out.

[Tom Sawyer]

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 21 November 2014 - 03:32 AM, said:

Cowboys and indians!? You crazy youngsters. When I was a little boy, we played homosapiens sapiens and neanderthals. That was our community warfare. Monopoly? We just had sticks and stones. Some kids on my block had obsidian, and everyone hated those spoiled brats.

You also forgot to mention loyalty points, which is like when your tribe leader awards the hunter-gatherers with mammoth skins and flower powder to paint your face with.

Now get off my lawn.

At least you had lawns and blocks. We had this primordial soup we just floated around in. Then some rich know it all spoiled brat of a paramecium made his daddy evolve him and he crawled out on the land.

Now get off my blob of amino acids!

[William Mountbank]

Tom Sawyer, on 21 November 2014 - 05:01 AM, said:

At least you had lawns and blocks. We had this primordial soup we just floated around in. Then some rich know it all spoiled brat of a paramecium made his daddy evolve him and he crawled out on the land.

Now get off my blob of amino acids!

Pfff, primordial soup? I used to dream of primordial soup! We had nothing but hydrogen and a little helium, and barely even a photon! Only the posh kids had dense clumps of gas collapsing in on themselves, you don't know you were born!

[STEF_]

Willard Phule, on 21 November 2014 - 03:02 AM, said:

Yeah.

People that don't want to join organized units, for whatever reason, are simply trash. Why haven't these losers figured out that the end-all, be-all of MW:O is to be part of a group? Noone wants those stupid solo players here. They should just all leave and find another game to play.

Join a group or get out!

I would agree on something you say, a lot of pugs are bad players, and to be part of a group is the real end of a mechwarrior.

BUT this is simply stupid: "They should just all leave and find another game to play."

A lot of pugs is the core of a community, and the pug's bunch is where a good noob can grow up, learn to play, learn to love the game.
"Let pugs go" with this snoobish actitude, and mwo will die.

[Arctourus]

Quote

Yeah.

People that don't want to join organized units, for whatever reason, are simply trash. Why haven't these losers figured out that the end-all, be-all of MW:O is to be part of a group? Noone wants those stupid solo players here. They should just all leave and find another game to play.

Join a group or get out!

Trash?

I've wanted to be a part of a group for years...ever since I first got a taste of it in college in the mid 90s. But then I graduated and lost a good internet connection. Then good internet connection became available, but I was now married, with a job and kids, so free time became a myth. I'd love to be part of a faction, but I can't guarantee time to meet up and play, and even if I could, I couldn't guarantee that I wouldn't have to drop out mid match to deal with real life issues.

Edited by Arctourus, 21 November 2014 - 05:30 AM.

[Revorn]

Iam a Pugger, but not new. So i am in the wrong Thread?

[F4T 4L]

Stefka Kerensky, on 21 November 2014 - 05:22 AM, said:

I would agree on something you say, a lot of pugs are bad players, and to be part of a group is the real end of a mechwarrior.

BUT this is simply stupid: "They should just all leave and find another game to play."

A lot of pugs is the core of a community, and the pug's bunch is where a good noob can grow up, learn to play, learn to love the game.
"Let pugs go" with this snoobish actitude, and mwo will die.

Willard is a die-hard pug. His post was ironic.

[Zerberus]

William Mountbank, on 21 November 2014 - 05:13 AM, said:

Pfff, primordial soup? I used to dream of primordial soup! We had nothing but hydrogen and a little helium, and barely even a photon! Only the posh kids had dense clumps of gas collapsing in on themselves, you don't know you were born!

Pfft, screw all you youngsters made up of late growth atoms. All we had was a beautifully serene singulatity and then some F**khead had to scream "BANG!!" at the top of his lungs and mess it up for everyone. Total chaos, haven`t seen my family in 5,3 billion years, nobody knows what the hell happened to Clyde and the other guys (though some say after the breakup they were seen on the ball that later became the Sirius system), and total anarchy for longer than any of you whippersnappers can imagine.

Edited by Zerberus, 21 November 2014 - 06:34 AM.

[Lily from animove]

Willard Phule, on 21 November 2014 - 03:02 AM, said:

Yeah.

People that don't want to join organized units, for whatever reason, are simply trash. Why haven't these losers figured out that the end-all, be-all of MW:O is to be part of a group? Noone wants those stupid solo players here. They should just all leave and find another game to play.

Join a group or get out!

what has this to do with trash? a new player is just bad because he is new and doesn't know the game, he won't have much fun in CW until he has some decent experience in the game. And A pugger can not go to CW without stopping to be a Pugger because he is either lost or will have to find a group, which technically makes him stop being a pugger.

[STEF_]

F4T 4L, on 21 November 2014 - 05:43 AM, said:

Willard is a die-hard pug. His post was ironic.

Good, then.
I didn't get the irony 'cause I don't know him.

Anyway I really hope CW will be pugs friendly, it's very important

[Hoax415]

Decent thread goal but I don't think you really put in anywhere near enough effort to actually lay things out.

A truly great thread that is worthy of sticky is needed. One that introduces all the factions. Lays out the brief history of what gets us to the clan invasion in 3050.

Then lists all of the various websites, teamspeaks and mumbles for each faction and the public ones that the mercs and other pick up groups use.

That way players who haven't interacted with the faction they play to choose know where to go to find their "side".

Beyond that I think a quick FAQ of the basic rules for forming a drop deck would be a good inclusion.

***

As for this thread. No CW will not be solo friendly. It will not exclude anyone but its going to be nothing like public solo queue which is designed from the group up to protect players and give them decent matches where they are of similar skill level to everyone else.

CW will not be doing that. If you are interested in CW you should either be interested in playing:
-a more organized brand of MWO match, where people are really concerned about winning above all else.

-a tougher brand of MWO match, if you want to know just how good/bad you really are at MWO, CW will tell you because you will end of facing at times the best of the best units in their full ultra organized 12-mans.

-MWO with more on the line, yes its just a map, but to a lot of people who have been around these factions for 30 years its a bit more than that. People do care about winning even in endless arena. In CW people will care a lot more. Losing planets is going to burn. Losing planets and seeing the name of a unit that stomped you a couple of times on that planet is going to really burn. CW is MWO with a lot more on the line.

If none of that sounds fun and you have hated whatever experience you've had with the group queue...

CW is not for you. If you feel like trying it, or think you might change your mind. It will be there and you can. But all signs point to you're better off leaving it be until such a time that PGI can some up with a way to within that spirit of gameplay provide some kind of garden for the less tryhard, less skilled and less competitive players. That just isn't a thing that will exist in December.

Edited by Hoax415, 21 November 2014 - 07:15 AM.