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[Kushko]

Nick Makiaveli, on 29 November 2014 - 11:42 PM, said:

Please provide sources for your numbers. Otherwise I will counter with the "fact" that there are only 42 people playing in the solo queue, while literally 42 billion people are in the group queue at any given moment....

I admit i pretty much made those numbers up, but its a safe bet to say there are far more casual/pug/solo players than there are gorup/hardcore ones and that goes for any game with MWO being no exception. So while you could dismiss my opinion on the count of me having no real numbers to support my claims you would be doing so just for the hell of it and not because what i said is not true.

Sandpit, on 30 November 2014 - 12:07 AM, said:

Since you're calling me a liar I'd like your proof. My proof is based in statements and data from pgi

PGI did say that, but as we all know PGI is wrong more often than not. As for "people" wanting 2mans out of solo queue and wanting all size group options for group queue, i am sure there are plenty of people that actually did want that, but there are also plenty of people that did not.

Also another thing to consider is that CW will be an "all size group queue" option so i see no reason to force the same thing in two game modes while giving nothing to casuals that want to play with a buddy or two.

Edited by Kushko, 30 November 2014 - 12:39 AM.

[EnzyteBob82]

I don't understand why solo players would have any issue with groups of 2 being mixed in. Not enough coordination to make a difference IMO.

And yeah, I'm sure about the frequency of playing 12 and 10 mans. 90% of the time, I'm playing with my brother. We are not **** players either. Literally, the only time we can play together and have an enjoyable experience, is if we sync drop, and manage to get the same match, and same team. Rolling the dice sucks.......

And if the solo queue is to forever remain solo, then please, please, please introduce a new queue for 2-4 player drops.

[Kushko]

EnzyteBob82, on 30 November 2014 - 12:40 AM, said:

I don't understand why solo players would have any issue with groups of 2 being mixed in. Not enough coordination to make a difference IMO.

And yeah, I'm sure about the frequency of playing 12 and 10 mans. 90% of the time, I'm playing with my brother. We are not **** players either. Literally, the only time we can play together and have an enjoyable experience, is if we sync drop, and manage to get the same match, and same team. Rolling the dice sucks.......

And if the solo queue is to forever remain solo, then please, please, please introduce a new queue for 2-4 player drops.

I agree, 2-3 mans wont break solo queue, especially if matchmaker puts another small group on the enemy team as well.

1-3 players: solo queue
4/8/12: group queue
any size group: CW

Everyone gets something, everyone is happy.

[-Natural Selection-]

Kushko, on 30 November 2014 - 12:32 AM, said:

I admit i pretty much made those numbers up, but its a safe bet to say there are far more casual/pug/solo players than there are gorup/hardcore ones and that goes for any game with MWO being no exception. So while you could dismiss my opinion on the count of me having no real numbers to support my claims you would be doing so just for the hell of it and not because what i said is not true.

If that is the case, then the likelihood of running into the larger "hardcore" groups should be less often than its made out to be. Not trying to be argumentative, but they are running ramped and ruining peoples fun, or it only happens every now and then and people exaggerate it.

But yes, people were loosing their mind over ANYONE grouped in solo que. And it was based on the fact of those being on comms more so than the size.

But I can guess that "if" 1-3 were put back into solo people would start the 10 threads a day complaining about it all over again. Even the small group will typically dictate the flow, and some will get butthurt that their single voice will not be heard. bet

[Kushko]

Mickey Knoxx, on 30 November 2014 - 12:50 AM, said:

If that is the case, then the likelihood of running into the larger "hardcore" groups should be less often than its made out to be. Not trying to be argumentative, but they are running ramped and ruining peoples fun, or it only happens every now and then and people exaggerate it.

But yes, people were loosing their mind over ANYONE grouped in solo que. And it was based on the fact of those being on comms more so than the size.

But I can guess that "if" 1-3 were put back into solo people would start the 10 threads a day complaining about it all over again. Even the small group will typically dictate the flow, and some will get butthurt that their single voice will not be heard. bet

I'm not saying that there are more small groups than big groups, especially now that people are realizing small groups are at a pretty big disadvantage in group queue. There are a lot of people (like me) that are simply avoiding grouping with a friend or two because we know it would not be a fun experience, let alone try to get new friends to try the game and group with them.

You are right though that plenty of people were going out of their mind about 4 mans in solo queue before the change but i really believe most of those (including me at times) were just paranoid. Every time a team would 8:0 or 12:0 stomp you most would cry foul and blame it on groups in solo queue while im sure there were plenty of times it just naturally happened and solo players played well together to stomp the enemy team who played badly as a team (stomps still happen quite often in solo queue even with no groups allowed). Maybe PGI should have a 1-3 man group in solo queue trial period but make it so in the team list we actually see who is in a group (like World of Tanks has) and that way people won have a reason to be paranoid. That and making it so matchmaker tries its best to make sure there is a small group on the other team as well would i believe turn out to be a good experience for most involved.

Edited by Kushko, 30 November 2014 - 12:59 AM.

[Sandpit]

Kushko, on 30 November 2014 - 12:32 AM, said:

PGI did say that, but as we all know PGI is wrong more often than not.

not the point, I just didn't appreciate being called a liar.

Look, my personal opinion is 2mans wouldn't affect the game for solos in any significant way. I wouldn't care if they had the option to drop in either queue.

I also know that many would scream bloody murder and blame them for every loss they suffered. Those of us that drop in group queue remember all too well how we were constantly berated, attacked, etc. and were made into the solo queue boogeyman for a very long time. It's nice not having to listen to that crap anymore except for a few trolls that want people to buy into their conspiracy theories about various things.

Realistically I don't see it ever happening because whether you were here for it or not, they kicking and screaming for them to be removed was loud and constant. I mean daily. Those same players that were kicking and screaming and blaming groups now have moved on to other reasons to blame for their losses.

I think a much more realistic option would be allowing private hosting for training grounds and allowing for those to be used to help train friends and teach them how to play and get used to the game.

Alternatively there are also private matches available where you can set it up exactly how you want it. If you REALLY want a more casual "friendly" place to play with a buddy, why not start a thread to find like-minded players and get some matches going like that? It would give you exactly what you're looking for.

[-Natural Selection-]

I am the same, I would see no issues with 1-3 in solo and I think if they had went with 4,8,12 (with 1-3 in solo) or even 3,6,9,12 (with 1-2 in solo) from the start people would have been happy with that. Hell anything was better than what we had. But I cant tell you at this point change will be loud and angry from the solo purist and the people who would have to bracket their drops again. And those post will flood out the ones thanking them for getting what they wanted. That is the nature of the beast around here..

Though I think 1v1 should be free in private matches to teach people. Even if it required one of the players to have less than a certain number of matches played.

Edited by Mickey Knoxx, 30 November 2014 - 01:19 AM.

[Revorn]

No Groups in Solo Que, plz seek another Solution.

[BattleBunny]

I want solo's to be able to drop into group when when they check a box that sais they do it voluntairily.

I dont want groups , any sized groups, in the solo queue though. 3 or even 2 good players on coms will rip a team of randoms apart.

[Viges]

EnzyteBob82, on 29 November 2014 - 02:04 PM, said:

I don't understand why a group as small as 2 people needs to be regulated like that. I don't mind the competition, but its not exactly apples to apples when an entire team is coordinated against a lance or even half a lance of people who are communicating with each other.

lol NO IT IS exactly apples to apples when you are placed 12 vs 10+2, because as you said

EnzyteBob82, on 29 November 2014 - 02:04 PM, said:

Its too small a group to make any kind of difference in there anyhow.

Same double standard again and again: 2 people group too small to make any kind of difference in solo queue but in group queue it solves everything. Yea, sure.

[mania3c]

Sandpit, on 30 November 2014 - 01:03 AM, said:

not the point, I just didn't appreciate being called a liar.

If you are girl..I can forgive you.. if not...man up buddy...I never called you lair..I know you are saying just what they were saying..but I was there at that time..and it's out of the context.. And IIRC, there were never 2 man groups allowed in solo..just small groups (2-4 people)..Everyone was crying because groups of 4 people were able to really change tide of the game..which may be true..However..noone ever noticed two man groups in any shape or form in solo queue and this was actually never addressed..

[ollo]

Sandpit, on 30 November 2014 - 12:07 AM, said:

Since you're calling me a liar I'd like your proof. My proof is based in statements and data from pgi

Well actually you didn't give any. I can't find anything official or even dsicussion due to the... sub-par search function unfortunately. I remember the complaints, but IIRC they were focused around 4-mans (from PUGs) and group size limitation (from groups).

The group queue needs 2-mans to support 10-mans, but i'd appreciate if there was a more flexible handling on those. I.e., instead of waiting 2 minutes they could be dropped into solo, or if they would be matched 6*2 against a 12-man.

[Elizander]

EnzyteBob82, on 30 November 2014 - 12:40 AM, said:

I don't understand why solo players would have any issue with groups of 2 being mixed in. Not enough coordination to make a difference IMO.

And yeah, I'm sure about the frequency of playing 12 and 10 mans. 90% of the time, I'm playing with my brother. We are not **** players either. Literally, the only time we can play together and have an enjoyable experience, is if we sync drop, and manage to get the same match, and same team. Rolling the dice sucks.......

And if the solo queue is to forever remain solo, then please, please, please introduce a new queue for 2-4 player drops.

I'm mostly in the solo queue and a 2 man group can make a big difference with simple focus fire and coordinated movement and aiming at the proper locations called out. Groups can tell me it's fine and I can tell groups that it isn't fine.

[WildeKarde]

I think not having two mans allowed outside the group queue misses an opportunity. There's no way I could recommend MWO to any of my friends when I know them wanting to have me in a group means a new player being in with anything up to a 12 man against them. There's not much enjoyment to be had for someone who may have zero MechWarrior experience.

Although I can see two experienced players in a group in the solo queue able to influence a result more than two individual players.

I think we should have an option for new players to be in a group and still be in the solo queue, possibly judged on either player still having cadet games to play, and limiting the group to trial mechs only maybe.

[mania3c]

Jake Hendricks, on 30 November 2014 - 03:01 AM, said:

I think not having two mans allowed outside the group queue misses an opportunity. There's no way I could recommend MWO to any of my friends when I know them wanting to have me in a group means a new player being in with anything up to a 12 man against them. There's not much enjoyment to be had for someone who may have zero MechWarrior experience.

Although I can see two experienced players in a group in the solo queue able to influence a result more than two individual players.

I think we should have an option for new players to be in a group and still be in the solo queue, possibly judged on either player still having cadet games to play, and limiting the group to trial mechs only maybe.

i think this is big issue here.. I had few friends who tried MWO..of course..I tried to play with them..and they just had horrible experience .. lack of any new player tutorial and progression system + this 2-man vs any group size BS just scared them and can't blame them..I am playing MWO for more than two years I guess (not sure..but it's close to two years I think)..and my friend too..we rarely play in two man-groups anyway..because it's horrible horrible always one sided experience.. 9-man group on one side while 3-4 small groups on other side?? yea..have fun.. so we instead are playing solo or recently just sync-dropping ..when playing together..super...if we are against each other..we have fun too..however..to have proper fun, we have to cheat and abuse system... perfectly designed /rolleyes

Edited by mania3c, 30 November 2014 - 03:12 AM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

So simple Stupid it amazes me how blind people can be.

Put ingame voip in.

Problem solved.

For now it doesn't matter with all the synch dropping going on in solo.

My question is why all the group only guys think they rule over solo que and are expert in it. Ever wonder why that is?

[The Wakelord]

mania3c, on 30 November 2014 - 02:36 AM, said:

If you are girl..I can forgive you.. if not...man up buddy...

Wow. I hope you're really old, or live in a really rural area, because that's pretty close-minded of you Maniac.

Edited by The Wakelord, 30 November 2014 - 03:53 AM.

[-Natural Selection-]

Mudhutwarrior, on 30 November 2014 - 03:38 AM, said:

So simple Stupid it amazes me how blind people can be.

Put ingame voip in.

Problem solved.

For now it doesn't matter with all the synch dropping going on in solo.

My question is why all the group only guys think they rule over solo que and are expert in it. Ever wonder why that is?

7 years olds vs 50 year olds vs some Russian only speaking guy mixed in with a couple drunk guys from NY. The perfect storm for VOIP success.

Group guys think they rule over solo? Who said anything like that? But sure, then lets put voip in game and make it all one que.

[Viges]

All those people that want to enter the game for the first time and win otherwise "it's horrible experience" - lol at you, return to play solo games only, you are not warriors and are not welcome here.

[mania3c]

The Wakelord, on 30 November 2014 - 03:52 AM, said:

Wow. I hope you're really old, or live in a really rural area, because that's pretty close-minded of you Maniac.

Close minded? touchiness is girly trait if you agree or not..actually it's psychologically proven, that females tends to be more touchiness because of estrogens ..just saying..

Viges, on 30 November 2014 - 03:58 AM, said:

All those people that want to enter the game for the first time and win otherwise "it's horrible experience" - lol at you, return to play solo games only, you are not warriors and are not welcome here.

Man..mechwarrior needs new players more than it needs you... without new players, no mechwarrior..your way of thinking is just flawed and stupid..

Edited by mania3c, 30 November 2014 - 04:09 AM.