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[Kodyn]

But Steve's 'Stang has nice paint...

[Joseph Mallan]

Kodyn, on 04 December 2014 - 07:09 AM, said:

But Steve's 'Stang has nice paint...

Can't stand the color myself. Puke Green I call it.

[Kodyn]

Joseph Mallan, on 04 December 2014 - 07:22 AM, said:

Can't stand the color myself. Puke Green I call it.

And this is precisely why it'd be great if they allowed us to swap camos on Hero mechs, lol.

Some players may like the default camos, some may not, but they both paid real money for the mech, and even free mechs have swappable camo, so it would seem to follow that...Hero mechs would benefit from swappable camo.

[Bishop Steiner]

Myke Pantera, on 03 December 2014 - 11:45 PM, said:

I do mind it for several reasons:
1) Some patterns i don't like much <- personal opinion
2) Some patterns allow you to change very little (Ember)
3) Some patterns don't work with unit schemes (Only 2 colors, or mainly fixed)
4) Some patterns are way to glossy
5) Some patterns pose a disadvantage for the mech, see Yen Low Wang. If you see the pattern you know that you need to shoot that right arm, and it will probably run an XL engine.
6) I don't feel the need to show off that i bought something with real money. I'd much rather pay further real money to have it customized the way i like it.

Edit:
7) Some patterns start to look old. Compare the YLW to the special Ah and you know what i mean.

Agree with this. It's not deal breaking, but tbh, because of personal reasons, I don't like some of the paintjobs. I don't want to run around looking like a 12 year old TRVE KULT wannabe kiddie satanist, for instance, in the Firebrand. And even if you make all 3 channels the same color, the pattern shows.

But whether some feel it silly or not, a number of pèople have posted they would not buy one because of it. I believe units like the Seraphim for instance, own no Firebrands or Hellslingers.

Others have found, for various reasons the YLW to be insensitive/offensive to the Chinese.

Some, like the Ember, just are limiting and stupid looking.

I'm fine with the Unique skins being locked and available ONLY on the Hero chassis, but not really in love with the Hero chassis being locked into the skin, and TBH, the only "reason" I can think for it is the one's with unique geometry (which I believe are actually only the Founders/ Phoenix/ Invasion 1&2/ Resistance "Primes") would possibly need to be reskinned individually, which would be a lot of extra work, for no real gain.

But I don't think any of the "true" Heroes have custom geometry, so there is no reason, really, to lock them, and thus, PGI is losing money in some cases, over it.

[DaZur]

I just don't get this complaint... It's one thing to enter into a purchase agreement without knowing the limitations inherent in the Hero mechs and then feel that one's right have been violated. It's entirely another to know the terms of purchase then infer one has been disenfranchised.

A unique (and unchangeable) camo pattern is a known and documented limitation with Hero mechs and is accepted as terms of purchase.

I don't agree with the fact that we can't change patterns as well... That said, I don't believe I should be entitled to anything not inferred in the original terms of service.

Edited by DaZur, 04 December 2014 - 08:05 AM.

[TKSax]

Just think about all those Gold mechs that where purchased that cannot be changed at all... gold forever...

[Kodyn]

DaZur, no one's complaining, it's just a suggestion.

Some people who previously aren't spending money on heroes would, if they could change the camo. I don't think anyone who currently has heroes could reasonably complain if suddenly they could swap camos if they chose, so it'd seem to be a win-win. PGI could net a few extra bucks, and heroes would get revitalized a bit.

If they don't do this, then oh well, we'll all live. It's just an idea that's been kicking around for a little while, and it keeps getting brought back up, because it's a common one.(And I daresay, a good one? )

[Logan Hawke]

DaZur, on 04 December 2014 - 08:02 AM, said:

I just don't get this complaint... It's one thing to enter into a purchase agreement without knowing the limitations inherent in the Hero mechs and then feel that one's right have been violated. It's entirely another to know the terms of purchase then infer one has been disenfranchised.

A unique (and unchangeable) camo pattern is a known and documented limitation with Hero mechs and is accepted as terms of purchase.

I don't agree with the fact that we can't change patterns as well... That said, I don't believe I should be entitled to anything not inferred in the original terms of service.

They're saying it would be better if it could be further customized, not that they want their money back because crai. It's more like they bought a special 'over the border' cheeseburger at a restaurant that has pepperjack cheese, jalapenos, and grilled onions. They want to take off the grilled onions and replace it with fresh onions, but the restaurant doesn't allow that because reasons.

Edited by Logan Hawke, 04 December 2014 - 08:14 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

DaZur, on 04 December 2014 - 08:02 AM, said:

I just don't get this complaint... It's one thing to enter into a purchase agreement without knowing the limitations inherent in the Hero mechs and then feel that one's right have been violated. It's entirely another to know the terms of purchase then infer one has been disenfranchised.

A unique (and unchangeable) camo pattern is a known and documented limitation with Hero mechs and is accepted as terms of purchase.

I don't agree with the fact that we can't change patterns as well... That said, I don't believe I should be entitled to anything not inferred in the original terms of service.

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__3963062

[Bishop Steiner]

Kodyn, on 04 December 2014 - 08:10 AM, said:

DaZur, no one's complaining, it's just a suggestion.

Some people who previously aren't spending money on heroes would, if they could change the camo. I don't think anyone who currently has heroes could reasonably complain if suddenly they could swap camos if they chose, so it'd seem to be a win-win. PGI could net a few extra bucks, and heroes would get revitalized a bit.

If they don't do this, then oh well, we'll all live. It's just an idea that's been kicking around for a little while, and it keeps getting brought back up, because it's a common one.(And I daresay, a good one? )

It's an idea that's been kicking around sinc ethe YLW was released, actually.

At some point they gave some ground and allowed us to change dolors. Allowing people who want the Hero, but for "Reason XYZ" don't want to be locked into the camo, would actually boost sales on some, if not all models. And might even boost paint sales a bit.

As I noted, the "Package" ones won't happen because their unique geometry means the entire thing has to have the skins remapped. Won't happen, and end of the day, no biggie. Heroes though, are a simple thing since to the best of my knowledge, the geometry is not unique.

One thing is certain, PGI has been much more open to suggestions since the IGP divorce. 2 recent ones was me getting Russ to change the "prime" Zeus for the Resistance pack to the traditional 6S (and thus the ballistics arm) and small post with like 30 replies getting them to decide to remove the states in river city on the 12-16 patch.

So if we don't ask, it definitely won't happen. By asking, the worst that can happen is they say no.

[DaZur]

Kodyn, on 04 December 2014 - 08:10 AM, said:

DaZur, no one's complaining, it's just a suggestion.

Logan Hawke, on 04 December 2014 - 08:14 AM, said:

Oh, I agree it's a good suggestion and would welcome the ability to do so...

I just took umberage with the OP's tone and his premise that "money exchanged" should equal Carte Blanche with what he chooses to do with the purchase.

... Apparently I need a Snickers bar this morning.

[Saobh]

Just checked and at least on the Assaults when switching from the Hero to the standard variants there isn't any change in geometry (apart from the weapon hardpoints which is to be expected)

So indeed I don't see why Heroes wouldn't be able to easily be able to fit on patterns that players will have to buy with MC. Unless PGI want them to be seen as unique to other players during a battle, but that would be a weak reason as for example I paint all my Mechs with a Black color so they stand out less And apart from Sparky with his lighting still apparent on his arms they all are as black as by other standard Mechs.

[Wolfwood592]

The biggest complaint I have is the inability to match the rest of our group members when launching in ANY of my hero mechs.

For community warfare I really would love to roll out looking like my friends in the unit.

Edited by Wolfwood592, 04 December 2014 - 09:05 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Kodyn, on 04 December 2014 - 07:33 AM, said:

And this is precisely why it'd be great if they allowed us to swap camos on Hero mechs, lol.

Some players may like the default camos, some may not, but they both paid real money for the mech, and even free mechs have swappable camo, so it would seem to follow that...Hero mechs would benefit from swappable camo.

But then it's not a "Hero" Mech. Its just yours. And there is nothing special about about you. Cause unless you didn't know, You are Unique... JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 04 December 2014 - 08:50 AM, said:

But then it's not a "Hero" Mech. Its just yours. And there is nothing special about about you. Cause unless you didn't know, You are Unique... JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!

Just like the other 2413 YLWs running around? SO UNIQUE!!!!

[DaZur]

We are all special snowflakes in our own right...

[Joseph Mallan]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 December 2014 - 09:16 AM, said:

Just like the other 2413 YLWs running around? SO UNIQUE!!!!

I was all for there being a Limit to Hero Mechs when Yen was released. But Noooooo, That wasn't fair!

DaZur, on 04 December 2014 - 09:17 AM, said:

We are all special snowflakes in our own right...

Isn't that what I said? But that being said. If EVERYONE is a special snowflake doesn't that mean everyone is exactly alike?
How can anyone be Special if EVERYBODY is Unique?

[Brody319]

I think most of the hero mechs look pretty good, though some are pretty fugly. I do think patterns should be unlocked even if I will never buy them.

[DaZur]

Joseph Mallan, on 04 December 2014 - 09:21 AM, said:

How can anyone be Special if EVERYBODY is Unique?

Easy... difference classifications of "special".

[Bishop Steiner]

All that really matters with Heroes? Their unique layouts and the bonus. Nobody plays Heroes (well, aside from maybe the SIB ) for the paintjob.

If people want to keep them or not, affects nothing in their uniqueness, but would increase marketability.

(Of course, I feel limited time would have been great too.)

Brody319, on 04 December 2014 - 09:23 AM, said:

I think most of the hero mechs look pretty good, though some are pretty fugly. I do think patterns should be unlocked even if I will never buy them.

Unlocked from the Chassis, or for general sales? Definitely no to the latter.