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[R Razor]

Twice today we dropped against teams that had apparently had failed sync drops. 6 of them on one side and 4 on the other. Are people really so afraid of fighting against a 12 man that they'll try sync dropping instead or is this a pathetic effort at farming c-bills by communicating with their fellow "clan" mates on the enemy team so they can try and farm the easy wins?

In one case that appeared to be the case as the enemy always seemed to know where to meet each flank attempt, in the other it was less clear. We won both games and this isn't a complaint, I'm just curious, are people really that low?

I'd post screen shots but I don't know if naming "teams" is a violation of the Name and Shame or not.

[Adiuvo]

Large group drops are boring. People would rather break into smaller groups and possibly have a challenge than just roll over everything if they're any good.

Syncdropping is also impossible as you're thinking it. There's no guarantee that you'll end up on the same side, or even the same game. If anything you're more likely to be fighting against each other rather than fighting together.

[Belorion]

R Razor, on 07 December 2014 - 05:52 PM, said:

Twice today we dropped against teams that had apparently had failed sync drops. 6 of them on one side and 4 on the other. Are people really so afraid of fighting against a 12 man that they'll try sync dropping instead or is this a pathetic effort at farming c-bills by communicating with their fellow "clan" mates on the enemy team so they can try and farm the easy wins?

In one case that appeared to be the case as the enemy always seemed to know where to meet each flank attempt, in the other it was less clear. We won both games and this isn't a complaint, I'm just curious, are people really that low?

I'd post screen shots but I don't know if naming "teams" is a violation of the Name and Shame or not.

People don't really sync drop anymore. There isn't a reason to. One the other hand, large merc corps with 20 to 40 people on at one time will often find themselves in a drop either with or against our own corp. I often find myself in drops with other Aces Wild people, we use it as a chance to practice when up against each other, or move channels when we find ourselves on the same team.

Happens maybe 1 or 2 times a night from my point of view, but would be closer to 5 to 10 times a night for Aces Wild in general (the drops I am not in).

[ApolloKaras]

R Razor, on 07 December 2014 - 05:52 PM, said:

Twice today we dropped against teams that had apparently had failed sync drops. 6 of them on one side and 4 on the other. Are people really so afraid of fighting against a 12 man that they'll try sync dropping instead or is this a pathetic effort at farming c-bills by communicating with their fellow "clan" mates on the enemy team so they can try and farm the easy wins?

In one case that appeared to be the case as the enemy always seemed to know where to meet each flank attempt, in the other it was less clear. We won both games and this isn't a complaint, I'm just curious, are people really that low?

I'd post screen shots but I don't know if naming "teams" is a violation of the Name and Shame or not.

Dont forget the bigger groups may be practicing other things as well. You may have a group prepping for an 8 man drop and is perfecting that drop deck. The other guys may just be casual and dropped as a 4 man. There are many possibilities, you should consider those prior to dropping the accusation that someone is sync dropping.

[R Razor]

Adiuvo, on 07 December 2014 - 05:56 PM, said:

Large group drops are boring. People would rather break into smaller groups and possibly have a challenge than just roll over everything if they're any good.

Syncdropping is also impossible as you're thinking it. There's no guarantee that you'll end up on the same side, or even the same game. If anything you're more likely to be fighting against each other rather than fighting together.

Oh I know it's "impossible" my question wasn't whether it could be done or not......we know it can, not often and not easily though. My question was more along the lines of are people now trying to sync their drops hoping to end up on opposite teams in order to help each other farm some c-bills and wins using comms.......or are they trying to sync in an effort to not get lined up against a full 12 or even a 10 and 2 man team since the MM supposedly tried to balance sizes along with everything else it fails at.

[SirLANsalot]

I don't really see it as much of a problem, as if your against one another, its more fun to try and take down your friends. Rather then just ROFLOL stomping everything in front of you.

[Andi Nagasia]

if MWO had a intigrated In-game Voip then their would be more team work,
as its hard to Sync TS, VENT, ect, with Pug and some team matches,
just jumping into a match and talking is much easier than Typing,
i feel if people could talk allot of team problems would be solved,
(BUT ABUSE< CUSSING???)(WELL MUTE BUTTON!!!)

[ZippySpeedMonkey]

Not afraid.....it's just not fun....

What you find mainly in the 12 man are teams that have practiced way more than the average rec player such as myself...


I don't know about you, but getting stomped over and over again by teams that take the meta builds, and have played as a team for a long time, isn't my idea of fun....

Thus I tell guys to not bother me ever again, using the most interesting of terms, if they ask me to play 12 man....

[R Razor]

SirLANsalot, on 07 December 2014 - 06:05 PM, said:

I don't really see it as much of a problem, as if your against one another, its more fun to try and take down your friends. Rather then just ROFLOL stomping everything in front of you.

Guess I'm just cynical and assume the worst motives possible. It would never occur to me to ask a 10 man group of my "clan" to split up and try to drop together, just seems to be against the "spirit" of the game. I feel bad for people that have to resort to doing stuff like that in order to have fun or win matches / make money.

ZippySpeedMonkey, on 07 December 2014 - 06:07 PM, said:

Not afraid.....it's just not fun....

What you find mainly in the 12 man are teams that have practiced way more than the average rec player such as myself...


I don't know about you, but getting stomped over and over again by teams that take the meta builds, and have played as a team for a long time, isn't my idea of fun....

Thus I tell guys to not bother me ever again, using the most interesting of terms, if they ask me to play 12 man....

That's why PGI implemented private drops.

[ZippySpeedMonkey]

You're right, so go play 12 man, in private, without bothering me, and quit whining about the lack of interested players....

[Astrocanis]

Adiuvo, on 07 December 2014 - 05:56 PM, said:

Large group drops are boring. People would rather break into smaller groups and possibly have a challenge than just roll over everything if they're any good.

Syncdropping is also impossible as you're thinking it. There's no guarantee that you'll end up on the same side, or even the same game. If anything you're more likely to be fighting against each other rather than fighting together.

Of course. They attempt synch dropping because they would rather break into small teams and have the challenge of fighting against pure pugs rather than the boredom of 12v12.

Makes perfect sense.

[Captain Stiffy]

The scared bads are EVERYWHERE now. It's not just sync drops or outfits or any of that.

It was the damn tournament that required people to live that changed everything. Scared bads are afraid of engaging the enemy and when you get 5 or more on one team? GG.

[Gamuray]

@OP
Yes, unfortunately a few groups of people are low enough to actually attempt sync dropping. They don't care whether they are on the same team or not, either way it escalates their chances of winning drastically. ..And they aren't sneaky either.. I had one of these groups publicly thank the "moles" (<-they called them that, it means spy/traitor) they had on my team. It was not a fun match.. and they were not humble about it in the slightest.

Luckily, this behavior in particular is fairly rare... then again my rate of 2 man/group drops decreased by 200% after that... so I wouldn't know if it's more common now or not..

[R Razor]

ZippySpeedMonkey, on 07 December 2014 - 06:14 PM, said:

You're right, so go play 12 man, in private, without bothering me, and quit whining about the lack of interested players....

Or you could stop being a ***** and play the game as a team game and take your chances like everyone else does........just a thought.

[ZippySpeedMonkey]

No...that's not going to happen...if you've played with me you'd know that I like operating alone...

However you digress...

Remember you were the one who flippantly brought up the use of private drops. I only used your own suggestion against you.

So let me repeat...

If you want to play 12 man, go ahead, just do it in private (as you suggested), and do not bother me with your whining about a lack of people who want to play in that mode....

[Mavairo]

I can't speak for other guilds, but it's not physically possible nightly for all of the people that are on in CI to drop in one team.
Seriously, we'll have upwards of 40 guys and girls on a night, pretty commonly.
It's not a matter of synch drops if we end up with or against them. (usually against.)

Some guilds just have too much man power to play all on one team.

Lets say we drop an 8, a 6, and a 10 man.
Odds are pretty good, we'll end up arrayed against each other at some point if we drop long enough.
We see each other and Death to CI!! comes up in chat, and we earnestly try wiping each other off the map first.
Groups aren't assigned or anything either. Groups just happen based on where people click in and ask in a given channel "you guys got room?".

Edited by Mavairo, 07 December 2014 - 06:38 PM.

[Johnny Z]

I was in regular queue today and got into a horrible synch drop match. A team mate standing directly behind me watching as I am being fanked and shot in the back as I fight no less than 4 mechs in the fron and when I turn to fight to the rear he just walks off without taking fire as I get cored from behind by the 4 I had been fighting in front.

Yes it was that bad and yes what a downer.

[R Razor]

ZippySpeedMonkey, on 07 December 2014 - 06:35 PM, said:

No...that's not going to happen...if you've played with me you'd know that I like operating alone...

However you digress...

Remember you were the one who flippantly brought up the use of private drops. I only used your own suggestion against you.

So let me repeat...

If you want to play 12 man, go ahead, just do it in private (as you suggested), and do not bother me with your whining about a lack of people who want to play in that mode....

But the game was designed as a TEAM game using certain match making rules..........you seem to be one of the ones incapable of playing on a team........seems to me like since you lack the social skills and abilities to play a team game you're the one that should change and not myself.

Now, you've sidetracked this thread long enough, run along and play with yourself, after all that's what you prefer to do by your own admission.

Actually, I'm pretty sure you're one of those short bus people I hear about all the time. At not point did I complain about people not wanting to play in 12 man groups, I asked about people (like yourself who was offended by being called out in a thread apparently) being afraid to play AGAINST 12 man groups or trying to sync drop to farm money.

Now, since you aren't apparently capable of comprehending the OP, let me put it in little words for you:

Are people afraid of 12 mans?
Do people try to sync to farm money?

Just wondering if anyone else has seen this..........as for you, stay in the pug que and play with yourself and we'll never have to run into each other.

Edited by R Razor, 07 December 2014 - 06:45 PM.

[Davers]

Johnny Z, on 07 December 2014 - 06:40 PM, said:

I was in regular queue today and got into a horrible synch drop match. A team mate standing directly behind me watching as I am being fanked and shot in the back as I fight no less than 4 mechs in the fron and when I turn to fight to the rear he just walks off without taking fire as I get cored from behind by the 4 I had been fighting in front.

Yes it was that bad and yes what a downer.

Must be one of those 'uber competitive' teams. I know when I run into other Marik units, we love to blow each other up first. But that is kinda the Marik way...

[Johnny Z]

Anyone synch dropping onto both teams on oppsite sides in a match is the one with problem with playing a team game. Everyone in solo being legit is playing a team game with the social skills not to cheat that understanding.