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[Apocryph0n]

Vassago Rain, on 09 December 2014 - 05:45 AM, said:

They gotta defend their 120 dollar package that so far has contained all of one worthwhile gundam.

Noone has to defend it, everyone knew before that the Mechs in the package were "mediocre" at best compared to what we already have, but as soon as you see planets in CW with less than 240t max restrictions there goes the possibility to bring TBRs or even DWFs.

Amazingly enough there is people buying all the packages to support PGI so that other scrubs can play this game for free. (Also some people don't even notice 120 bucks more or less). Not because the content is 1337 420 noscope - level, but because they enjoy this game and enjoy leveling/mastering mechs, no matter how good all those e-peen waving meta gods think they are. Heck, you can easily achieve 400+ damage rounds in a Mist Lynx.

And even more interesting is the fact that there is ******** that think others have to "defend" their personal reasons to spend their money.

Also why is everyone still calling Battlemechs a gundam?!

Edited by Apocryph0n, 09 December 2014 - 06:16 AM.

[Lily from animove]

Well its not bad at all, but in CW and high competition surrounding its a waste of tonnage. Its basically a heavier Timberwolf storing many weight into engine instead of firepower.
Its a lower armed TBR, not useless but not really good as well. and basically there is hardly a reason to gargoyle expet collecting it or having a special favour for its visual design.

Edited by Lily from animove, 09 December 2014 - 06:20 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

NephyrisX, on 08 December 2014 - 10:01 PM, said:

Because tradition demands we must have one of these.

Funny thing... The Gargoyle was DoA back in the TRO3050 from what I could tell. Not many Clanners used them.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 09 December 2014 - 07:43 AM.

[DaZur]

One Medic Army, on 08 December 2014 - 10:08 PM, said:

I take the same position now as I always have:

The more offensive my mech's looks, the better.

Even if your Prime variant looks like a chipmunk with it's cheeks full?

[Widowmaker1981]

Joseph Mallan, on 09 December 2014 - 07:43 AM, said:

Funny thing... The Gargoyle was DoA back in the TRO3050 from what I could tell. Not many Clanners used them.

Because outside of super specific quirked IS builds (Wubshee) using a 400XL EVER is STUPID, since you get the same speed by dropping 5 tons of mech weight and 7 tons of engine weight for a net gain of 2 tons.

[Boyka]

Tryed the Gargoyle.. It's usable but.. useless, cause every configuration can be replicated in smaller but more agile mechs such as Timberwolf and Hellbringer with the advantages of more pod spaces and same speed..

You can have some fun with it but you can have better fun.. the gargoyle doesn't bring diversity on Clan side at the moment.

Edited by Boyka, 10 December 2014 - 07:50 AM.

[Mott]

I thought the Gargoyle would be okay... but that was until i realized that it doesn't bring a single LT/RT weapon mount across ANY variant, and essentially every important weapon (and not enough of them) gets packed into the arms.

This thing may very well literally be DOA.

Didn't bother trying to drop in it last night due to the assaultQ being so hot... but if the GARs lose STs and arms at the speed/ease that all other clan mechs do, then yea, DOA for sure.

Edited by Mott, 10 December 2014 - 07:56 AM.

[Aggravated Assault Mech]

Joseph Mallan, on 09 December 2014 - 07:43 AM, said:

Funny thing... The Gargoyle was DoA back in the TRO3050 from what I could tell. Not many Clanners used them.

Pretty much this.

Anyone that's surprised this mech sucks **** (in fact, the entirety of Clan Wave II, minus the Hellbringer) has to be new.

It is funny as hell using the polygon camo on the Garg, though.

Edited by vnlk65n, 10 December 2014 - 08:30 AM.

[KraftySOT]

I wonder about you people sometimes:

GAR-PRIME

Hey look its a Wubshee but its 15kph faster, with 2 tons less armor...and 2 more damage in its alpha.


DOA DOA DOA DOA DOA DOA

You morons.

You can kill every mech in the game from the front, in two hits, but the King Crab, Atlas, and Dire wolf IF they front load their armor.

Good lord youre all terribad.

Edited by KraftySOT, 10 December 2014 - 08:46 AM.

[Vassago Rain]

KraftySOT, on 10 December 2014 - 08:44 AM, said:

I wonder about you people sometimes:

GAR-PRIME

Hey look its a Wubshee but its 15kph faster, with 2 tons less armor...and 2 more damage in its alpha.


DOA DOA DOA DOA DOA DOA

You morons.

You can kill every mech in the game from the front, in two hits, but the King Crab, Atlas, and Dire wolf IF they front load their armor.

Good lord youre all terribad.

The build has 7 seconds of uptime.

[KraftySOT]

Vassago Rain, on 10 December 2014 - 08:49 AM, said:

The build has 7 seconds of uptime.

Which is 2.5 seconds more than you need.

It should play exactly like a Thunderwub, Wubberine, or Wubshee.

Stay with the mechball, shoot twice, get kill, wait 10 seconds, shoot twice, get a kill, wait 10 seconds, shoot twice, get a kill...match over. 130 damage pin point is more than you need.

One alpha kills everything under 50 tons in one hit. Assuming you can get them to run straight at you, or away from you. Little birds can be a problem.

Cataphracts and man walkers with huge CTs is what you want to run into. Wub. Wub. Dead.

With the speed, it should never, ever, ever be a problem getting 'out'da'******'way' with radar derp.

Edited by KraftySOT, 10 December 2014 - 08:54 AM.

[DaZur]

The Gargle is a Clan nostalgia set-piece... As such only players who are in love with the design and the conical whims will be so inclined to put in the time and effort to learn it's nuances to make it a viable middling mech.


As such.... comp players will not touch it with a 10 foot bundle of myomer.

Edited by DaZur, 10 December 2014 - 08:56 AM.

[KraftySOT]

The one issue I see with it, is that the legs are stupid long, and lights WILL eat those for lunch. Getting the firepower means youre a single alpha away from immobile, if anyone targets that huge leg. A Wubstarter can take it from you in about 3 seconds.

[Lightfoot]

Well, no way anyone will take the Gargoyle to CW Dropship where it takes up 80 tons of your 240 ton limit. It's not that good.

And with all of the mechs it's PGI's job to make you want to take one to CW Dropship. That's the fair measure of a mech... within reason.

Mechs I will not be taking;

Gargoyle
Summoner
Warhawk

Atlas
Highlander
Grasshopper (unless it gets alot of Quirks)
Banshee
Battlemaster

To name a few, but as you can see tonnage is the drawback with these. You have to ask now could I do the same with a lighter mech?

[KraftySOT]

Lightfoot, on 10 December 2014 - 08:58 AM, said:

Well, no way anyone will take the Gargoyle to CW Dropship where it takes up 80 tons of your 240 ton limit. It's not that good.

And with all of the mechs it's PGI's job to make you want to take one to CW Dropship. That's the fair measure of a mech... within reason.

Mechs I will not be taking;

Gargoyle
Summoner
Warhawk

Atlas
Highlander
Grasshopper (unless it gets alot of Quirks)
Banshee
Battlemaster

To name a few, but as you can see tonnage is the drawback with these. You have to ask now could I do the same with a lighter mech?

Hey look terribad.

You know the CW maps are nothing but "channels" to the objective right? Close range popping is the king. Not taking a Wubshee, Wubmaster, DDC is just plain...ridiculous.

Youre ruling out two mechs that can kill a Shadowhawk instantly

[Revis Volek]

Widowmaker1981, on 09 December 2014 - 05:08 AM, said:

Same speed as a timberwolf? Check
no jumpjets? check
8 less tons for guns? check

yeah, its going to be awesome.. like.. erm wait. no, its going to be a crappy huge non jumping timberwolf with the firepower of a stormcrow.

It will be useable, not DOA, but its going to be very subpar compared to what already exists.

Why is everything a crappy Timberwolf to you fools?

I guess the atlas is just a tall crab? and the FS9's are just fast crabs? Are kitfoxes tiny TBR's? Is that the only way you know how to judge something?

Get a clue...ITS NOT A TIMBER WOLF AND ITS NOT SUPPOSE TO BE. It's a different mech, its played different. Do you also put shoes on your hand because.....they are just HARD GLOVES?!?!

It's not a TBR which means it worthless, PGI broke it, UNBALANCE, DOA, P2W, L2P, GGCLOTHES!!!!

The Underhive is strong with this one...

KraftySOT, on 10 December 2014 - 09:01 AM, said:

Hey look terribad.

You know the CW maps are nothing but "channels" to the objective right? Close range popping is the king. Not taking a Wubshee, Wubmaster, DDC is just plain...ridiculous.

Youre ruling out two mechs that can kill a Shadowhawk instantly

As well as a mech that hasnt even made it into the game yet....being the Grasshopper.

Edited by DarthRevis, 10 December 2014 - 09:11 AM.

[Lily from animove]

KraftySOT, on 10 December 2014 - 08:44 AM, said:

I wonder about you people sometimes:

GAR-PRIME

Hey look its a Wubshee but its 15kph faster, with 2 tons less armor...and 2 more damage in its alpha.


DOA DOA DOA DOA DOA DOA

You morons.

You can kill every mech in the game from the front, in two hits, but the King Crab, Atlas, and Dire wolf IF they front load their armor.

Good lord youre all terribad.

no you can not, first is the longer beam durations, this makes a huge difference, second is the amount of heatefficiency, where clanlasers suck a lot compared to IS mechs. try to dissipate this heat with 16DHS is kinda pointless. Further more a TBR cna simply do this better.
your survuvability is lower, because more time to exposure and on top your firepower is mostly in the arms, meaning youhave to expose a lot as well and a lost arm means a lot lost firepower, especially when the left arm is gone.

thise differences are quite big in the real combat.

wubshee eats that gargoyle for breakfast while twisting most damage away. the garg can not.

and this timber is just laughing at the garg as well.

DarthRevis, on 10 December 2014 - 09:09 AM, said:

Why is everything a crappy Timberwolf to you fools?

I guess the atlas is just a tall crab? and the FS9's are just fast crabs? Are kitfoxes tiny TBR's? Is that the only way you know how to judge something?

Get a clue...ITS NOT A TIMBER WOLF AND ITS NOT SUPPOSE TO BE. It's a different mech, its played different. Do you also put shoes on your hand because.....they are just HARD GLOVES?!?!

It's not a TBR which means it worthless, PGI broke it, UNBALANCE, DOA, P2W, L2P, GGCLOTHES!!!!

The Underhive is strong with this one...




As well as a mech that hasnt even made it into the game yet....being the Grasshopper.

yes because in a game where you have to bring a single mech to make sure your team wins you will take the best equipment. and so anythign else possible will be compared to each other. and the TBR is just the meta mech, and a mech has to be truly challanging it to be a valid consideration. and the gargoyle just is by mechanics facts and numbers a bad timberwolf.

And NO ot does not play DIFFERENT, becaue tell me what the garg cna do, that the TBR can not do? only if it truly cna do somethign better than the TBR then it would be a mech that plays different. Yet the garg has no advantage over a TBR except a negliable amount of armor

bad gemoetry
low wepaon hardpoints
less weapon tonnage
more tonnage used in engine for the same speed

so where is the gargoyle better? if it would be able to use a non XL then it may be bette because it could go zombiemode with 2 lasers, but its a clanner and so the tbr will simply be a fighting zombie until bith sidetorsi are done as well.

That ahs nothign to do with underhive, its using a brain on the given mechanics a game has with the characteristics of a specific mech. Aka Science. Not magic, nor opinion, just facts when you lay skill aside since of course a gargoyle can beat a TBR when the piloting and situation allows it, but normally in euqlised condition this is a win for the TBR all the time.

Edited by Lily from animove, 10 December 2014 - 09:20 AM.

[Moonlander]

I haven't even bothered to use it, so I can't see what it's capable of in... well, capable hands!

[SaltBeef]

PGI smart this time....better to release gimp then buff up later than Release OP at have to Nerf.




NERF BAAAAAAAAAAD !

Edited by SaltBeef, 10 December 2014 - 09:20 AM.

[Revis Volek]

Lily from animove, on 10 December 2014 - 09:13 AM, said:

no you can not, first is the longer beam durations, this makes a huge difference, second is the amount of heatefficiency, where clanlasers suck a lot compared to IS mechs. try to dissipate this heat with 16DHS is kinda pointless. Further more a TBR cna simply do this better.
your survuvability is lower, because more time to exposure and on top your firepower is mostly in the arms, meaning youhave to expose a lot as well and a lost arm means a lot lost firepower, especially when the left arm is gone.

thise differences are quite big in the real combat.

wubshee eats that gargoyle for breakfast while twisting most damage away. the garg can not.

and this timber is just laughing at the garg as well.





yes because in a game where you have to bring a single mech to make sure your team wins you will take the best equipment. and so anythign else possible will be compared to each other. and the TBR is just the meta mech, and a mech has to be truly challanging it to be a valid consideration. and the gargoyle just is by mechanics facts and numbers a bad timberwolf.

And NO ot does not play DIFFERENT, becaue tell me what the garg cna do, that the TBR can not do? only if it truly cna do somethign better than the TBR then it would be a mech that plays different. Yet the garg has no advantage over a TBR except a negliable amount of armor

bad gemoetry
low wepaon hardpoints
less weapon tonnage
more tonnage used in engine for the same speed

so where is the gargoyle better? if it would be able to use a non XL then it may be bette because it could go zombiemode with 2 lasers, but its a clanner and so the tbr will simply be a fighting zombie until bith sidetorsi are done as well.

That ahs nothign to do with underhive, its using a brain on the given mechanics a game has with the characteristics of a specific mech. Aka Science. Not magic, nor opinion, just facts when you lay skill aside since of course a gargoyle can beat a TBR when the piloting and situation allows it, but normally in euqlised condition this is a win for the TBR all the time.

You need to learn to read sir....long rebuttal but way off base. I never once said it was better this is a game and the idea of it is to have fun.; Not to min max better then the next guy or whatever delusional thoughts you have about this being super important and if you loose one game well just quit.

You all take this so cerel it like if the mech isnt better then the TBR someone pissed in your Wheaties. Grow up and learn to have fun and you might see the gargoyle as a nice mech. I never said it was going to win CW, or that it does anything better then the TBR. Its different and fun which is what i look for for in a F$&*ING VIDEO GAME!

Sorry you dont know what video games actually do, but for me they are a past time...not a job i nerd rage over on a daily basis. Have fun and dont get your panties in a bunch over the garg...he is more FUN then the timby!

Edited by DarthRevis, 10 December 2014 - 09:32 AM.