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[Alekzander Smirnoff]

I have TWC and live in KY, I still sit at around 40ms on average ping, but damn is the disconnecting a constant thing. I started using ping zapper and almost immediately stopped having the disconnect issue. Latency is ~7ms higher but the fact that all my disconnects have stopped, and even though I had no latency issues, it still shows something is going on even from my direction.

Edited by Alekzander Smirnoff, 07 January 2015 - 03:57 PM.

[Dagorlad13]

I have found that if I quit a game and rejoin when I have a lag spike, it goes away, strange.

[Reverendk]

IronClaws, on 07 January 2015 - 10:49 PM, said:

I have found that if I quit a game and rejoin when I have a lag spike, it goes away, strange.

Yes, this strategy will work, though for those that don't regularly read the back-issues of the Journal of High Elo Play and Southeast Asian Studies, the more permanent solution I've taken was to switch internet providers. Suddenly the drag inducing 130-150 regular ping with spikes to 600 every three or four games turned into stable 85 ping experiences, even when streaming saltybet in the background to stay on top of the saltiest action this side of Jakarta.

I know signing up for a different ISP can be scary, but with a little luck and a surplus of racially insensitive language directed at the woman on the phone who is supposed to just cancel your Time Warner service and not upsell you on cable packages, you too can live the high elo lifestyle.


Cheers
RK
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Edited by Reverendk, 08 January 2015 - 07:29 AM.

[Clit Beastwood]

Reverendk, on 08 January 2015 - 07:25 AM, said:

Yes, this strategy will work, though for those that don't regularly read the back-issues of the Journal of High Elo Play and Southeast Asian Studies, the more permanent solution I've taken was to switch internet providers. Suddenly the drag inducing 130-150 regular ping with spikes to 600 every three or four games turned into stable 85 ping experiences, even when streaming saltybet in the background to stay on top of the saltiest action this side of Jakarta.

I know signing up for a different ISP can be scary, but with a little luck and a surplus of racially insensitive language directed at the woman on the phone who is supposed to just cancel your Time Warner service and not upsell you on cable packages, you too can live the high elo lifestyle.


Cheers
RK
INSOMLIOLGGTSHJCLB (Item number six on my list is on lock, gotta get that super hot John Cena lunch box if you aren't familiar with Christmas carols)
High Elo Low Drag Collective Gaming Group for the Family Friendly playing of High Intensity E-games and Internet Latency thinktank Clan

The concern for many of us time warner users is that there *is* no competition in their service areas. In mine, for example, TWC acquired most of the local providers, and the few that remain operate on leased TWC lines. Many of us would *gladly* switch if there was a way to do so. I myself tried to pay to get business internet installed at home (worth the money for increased stability in some of my professional non gaming endeavors) but they... resell bandwidth from TWC.

Alekzander Smirnoff, on 07 January 2015 - 03:56 PM, said:

I have TWC and live in KY, I still sit at around 40ms on average ping, but damn is the disconnecting a constant thing. I started using ping zapper and almost immediately stopped having the disconnect issue. Latency is ~7ms higher but the fact that all my disconnects have stopped, and even though I had no latency issues, it still shows something is going on even from my direction.

Glad it's helping for you - have your damage numbers gone up at all?

[Dagorlad13]

Reverendk, on 08 January 2015 - 07:25 AM, said:

Yes, this strategy will work, though for those that don't regularly read the back-issues of the Journal of High Elo Play and Southeast Asian Studies, the more permanent solution I've taken was to switch internet providers. Suddenly the drag inducing 130-150 regular ping with spikes to 600 every three or four games turned into stable 85 ping experiences, even when streaming saltybet in the background to stay on top of the saltiest action this side of Jakarta.

I know signing up for a different ISP can be scary, but with a little luck and a surplus of racially insensitive language directed at the woman on the phone who is supposed to just cancel your Time Warner service and not upsell you on cable packages, you too can live the high elo lifestyle.

Yes, this would be nice, but my only other options are slow DSL, Dial-up, or asynchronous Satellite (horrible for gaming).



Cheers
RK
INSOMLIOLGGTSHJCLB (Item number six on my list is on lock, gotta get that super hot John Cena lunch box if you aren't familiar with Christmas carols)
High Elo Low Drag Collective Gaming Group for the Family Friendly playing of High Intensity E-games and Internet Latency thinktank Clan

[Alekzander Smirnoff]

Fierostetz, on 08 January 2015 - 08:41 AM, said:

The concern for many of us time warner users is that there *is* no competition in their service areas. In mine, for example, TWC acquired most of the local providers, and the few that remain operate on leased TWC lines. Many of us would *gladly* switch if there was a way to do so. I myself tried to pay to get business internet installed at home (worth the money for increased stability in some of my professional non gaming endeavors) but they... resell bandwidth from TWC.



Glad it's helping for you - have your damage numbers gone up at all?

Damage is unchanged, though I was never having a problem doing damage, of course I use primarily laser and missile mechs with a few ballistic based. Every time I'd try to join a game I would get a black screen then dropped back to mech lab with the error message "Disconnected from game server." I'd do this 3-7 times and finally get into the match in most cases, still no latency or hit registration issues.

I fiddled with ping zapper adjusting the various settings and had it dump out at NY, NY; Chicago, IL; and LA, CA. From multiple matches I can tell the NY exit is iffy, LA and Chic are roughly the same though I've been favoring the tunnel exit in chicago which boggles the mind because my unencrypted traffic is funneled through there as well. My only conclusion is that the VPN server is not in a TWC supplied data center.

Edited by Alekzander Smirnoff, 08 January 2015 - 03:09 PM.

[Dagorlad13]

Looks like I will have to break down and get Ping Zapper next payday.

[Clit Beastwood]

IronClaws, on 09 January 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

Looks like I will have to break down and get Ping Zapper next payday.

Well you can use it an hour at a time for free to at least try it out first

Edited by Fierostetz, 09 January 2015 - 08:57 AM.

[BellatorMonk]

Let's put it this way. If I have to pay for VPN or Ping zapper service because PGI's DNS is routing through a crappy hub, that is money PGI isn't getting from me.
It isn't TWC fault from what I see overall and players should not have to pay money to bypass a crappy hub. PGI should be contact the ISP who owns the crappy hub or changing their preferred DNS hop.

[Clit Beastwood]

BellatorMonk, on 09 January 2015 - 08:57 AM, said:

Let's put it this way. If I have to pay for VPN or Ping zapper service because PGI's DNS is routing through a crappy hub, that is money PGI isn't getting from me.
It isn't TWC fault from what I see overall and players should not have to pay money to bypass a crappy hub. PGI should be contact the ISP who owns the crappy hub or changing their preferred DNS hop.

It's time warner peering - go look it up, players of WOT, WOW, MWO, etc. all have issues with the same peers. Considering that *blizzard* can't make TWC fix their peering, I appreciate that PGI is even trying.

examples
WOT http://forum.worldof...-derp-telianet/
WOW http://eu.battle.net...opic/2064319626

I think that, prior to the server move, a lot of us were able to avoid the east coast telia peering, but since the server move a lot more traffic seems to be pushed through the newark/new york/palo alto route - the exact same route complained about by *many* gaming forums. Again, sucks, but not PGI's fault. The Palo Alto hop, for me, is by far the worst - huge packet loss, the ping is insane, and my game runs like poo poo. I tried using (not pingzapper but my other VPN) a tunnel thru chicago from Southern California - that really helped. No more DC's, more consistent performance, but my ping sucked so I had to lag shoot. BUT at least my guns do damage again. I've tried tons of different routes with endpoints all across the US and CA - so far, coastal vpn servers SUCK - but midwest seems to work well.

Edited by Fierostetz, 09 January 2015 - 09:22 AM.

[Dagorlad13]

BellatorMonk, on 09 January 2015 - 08:57 AM, said:

Let's put it this way. If I have to pay for VPN or Ping zapper service because PGI's DNS is routing through a crappy hub, that is money PGI isn't getting from me.
It isn't TWC fault from what I see overall and players should not have to pay money to bypass a crappy hub. PGI should be contact the ISP who owns the crappy hub or changing their preferred DNS hop.

I am more upset that I have the best TW plan available in my area and I have to deal with crap like this. As much as I hate government waste, I really hope that Net neutrality wins and these big companies are forced to standardize their services and not cut corners to gain a few extra cents.

[InspectorG]

Fierostetz, on 08 January 2015 - 08:41 AM, said:

The concern for many of us time warner users is that there *is* no competition in their service areas. In mine, for example, TWC acquired most of the local providers, and the few that remain operate on leased TWC lines. Many of us would *gladly* switch if there was a way to do so. I myself tried to pay to get business internet installed at home (worth the money for increased stability in some of my professional non gaming endeavors) but they... resell bandwidth from TWC.

^This.
In Ohio at least there is a defacto monolpoly. ISPs collude and divide areas into markets which you can get the main 'cable' provider. Or go through your phone.

Sucks.

IronClaws, on 09 January 2015 - 10:37 AM, said:

I am more upset that I have the best TW plan available in my area and I have to deal with crap like this. As much as I hate government waste, I really hope that Net neutrality wins and these big companies are forced to standardize their services and not cut corners to gain a few extra cents.

Net Neutrality, unfortunately, is a red herring.

They wont 'standardize' because the setup as is favors the ISP and Guvment. Free markets are an illusion at a big scale: see Federal Reserve.

[Kin3ticX]

Even if Net Neutrality survives, ISPs will still gladly abuse traffic shaping policies under the guise of traffic optimization. We are getting 600 pings because someone else's traffic is top priority in the evening. Net Neutrality! Get to the back of the LINE SUCKA!

Edited by Kin3ticX, 09 January 2015 - 03:34 PM.

[Clit Beastwood]

my guess would be SSL and VOIP are both higher priority - thats why SSLVPN helps a lot. That's still a crappy overcrowded peer, but its better on SSL

[Dagorlad13]

Kin3ticX, on 09 January 2015 - 03:32 PM, said:

Even if Net Neutrality survives, ISPs will still gladly abuse traffic shaping policies under the guise of traffic optimization. We are getting 600 pings because someone else's traffic is top priority in the evening. Net Neutrality! Get to the back of the LINE SUCKA!

Net neutrality is supposed to ensure that all data has equal priority, but I am sure ISPs will find ways around it.

[Clit Beastwood]

Well, if net neutrality passes, be prepared to pay per byte, and pay way more. So many telcos have been overselling their networks for years that they're not just going to absorb the cost of upgrading their networks.

[Dagorlad13]

I Googled "Time Warner Palo Alto peer slowdown" and found this very interesting blog post: http://www.cringely....14/05/06/14890/ . If this is true, then the slowdowns are being caused by good old fashioned greed. No wonder there are so many VPN services popping up for gamers, they are the ones who will cash in on the ISP / Peer standoff. This all stinks to high hell. When I have more time, I would like to do some research and find out how many of the VPN services are owned by these peer network companies.

Edited by IronClaws, 09 January 2015 - 04:36 PM.

[LordSkippy]

Fierostetz, on 09 January 2015 - 04:26 PM, said:

Well, if net neutrality passes, be prepared to pay per byte, and pay way more. So many telcos have been overselling their networks for years that they're not just going to absorb the cost of upgrading their networks.

If net neutrality doesn't pass, be prepared to pay to access per website.

Oh, and you'll be paying by byte anyway, as all the telco want to do that anyway.

[Clit Beastwood]

LordSkippy, on 09 January 2015 - 04:43 PM, said:

If net neutrality doesn't pass, be prepared to pay to access per website.

Oh, and you'll be paying by byte anyway, as all the telco want to do that anyway.

Oh yeah, my thought on it is "move to another country" - either way, it sucks. Too many megacorporations. I can't wait for Google fiber.

[Dagorlad13]

LordSkippy, on 09 January 2015 - 04:43 PM, said:

If net neutrality doesn't pass, be prepared to pay to access per website.

Oh, and you'll be paying by byte anyway, as all the telco want to do that anyway.

If this happens, they will do what the cellphone companies did and throttle your data until you ditch your "grandfathered unlimited data plan" and switch to one of the "improved limited data plans".

Holy crap! Just thinking about this is giving me flashbacks of having to quit playing Neverwinter Nights on AOL because they did not have a local number for dialup and I ended up with a $200 phone bill that took me all summer to pay off (yes, it was years ago).

Edited by IronClaws, 09 January 2015 - 05:05 PM.