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[KraftySOT]

I had 9 battles yesterday, all were pretty different. I did 3 against the Lords, and they lost one on the attack. Won a defense, and won another attack. I saw pugs on pugs. I saw small groups vs small groups. And I saw a plethora of outcomes from rapes, to last minute wins.

Its clearly better to be in a large group, with other space rich competitive individuals, but with critical mass, its easy to overcome them, since they can only be in one match at a time.

Im sure the Lords won 99% of their games, but still couldnt flip Apollo.

The side that first coordinates its large units, will be running away with the Big Mo'. Laio has alot of good units as does Steiner and Jade Falcon. I expect to see great things when they can coordinate.

At the moment the clans dont have alot of targets, so theyre stuck trying to overcome the heap of puggies. Port Moseby was halfway conquered with no response from the Dracs.

Time will tell, but so far...so good.

Sandpit, on 12 December 2014 - 10:11 AM, said:

I've said several times if he would drop the trolling he has some very good ideas to help improve MWO. The problem is they get lost in his snark and trolling.

But thats up to us to parse through the sardonic, and discover those points. He's like...PJ Orourke, Hunter S Thompson, or Charles Bukowski.

The responsibility is on the reader.

[Sandpit]

KraftySOT, on 12 December 2014 - 10:13 AM, said:

The responsibility is on the reader.

No sir, any public speaker, author, etc. will tell you the exact opposite.

The responsibility is on the author to communicate to the reader, not for the reader to decipher the author's meaning.

Fun Fact:
Average U.S. adult reads and comprehends at about a 7th grade level. That means if you're writing, speaking, etc. to a general audience comprised of average US adults, you need to communicate at that level otherwise it's lost on the audience.

[RetroActive]

KraftySOT, on 12 December 2014 - 10:07 AM, said:

The Lords couldnt take Apollo.

No one is as good as they think they are.

And the fact is, that Vassago is still our mile post for sanity.

That man is unmovable. He's never a downer, never giddy, not a fanboy, just objective, and comes with the truth. Moving him is like moving a mountain. He's a fixture as permanent as the grand canyon.

He is us. We are him.

False. He is ALWAYS a downer.

[KraftySOT]

Sandpit, on 12 December 2014 - 10:15 AM, said:

No sir, any public speaker, author, etc. will tell you the exact opposite.

The responsibility is on the author to communicate to the reader, not for the reader to decipher the author's meaning.

Fun Fact:
Average U.S. adult reads and comprehends at about a 7th grade level. That means if you're writing, speaking, etc. to a general audience comprised of average US adults, you need to communicate at that level otherwise it's lost on the audience.

See thats the brilliance of Vassago and those other writers.

He writes beyond that 7th grade level. Screw the stupids. If you cant master the language enough to parse through to find the granuals of gold...well, then be happy at your level.

The reason that most adults read at that level, and our congress speaks at that level, is because no one challenges the reader or audience anymore. No one in 1780 could understand most of what the intelligensia was saying, and thats fine. The idea is to uplift and challenge the reader or audience. Dumbing it down for them, making sure you cater to the lowest common denominator so they understand you...is a problem.

Let em stay in the dark if they want to rise.

RetroActive, on 12 December 2014 - 10:16 AM, said:

False. He is ALWAYS a downer.

Because you are an optimist. Vassago is perfectly neutral. How he appears to you, tells you more about yourself, than about him.

Vassago is proof that we'll never become fully "Idiocracy".

[RetroActive]

KraftySOT, on 12 December 2014 - 10:22 AM, said:

See thats the brilliance of Vassago and those other writers.

He writes beyond that 7th grade level. Screw the stupids. If you cant master the language enough to parse through to find the granuals of gold...well, then be happy at your level.

The reason that most adults read at that level, and our congress speaks at that level, is because no one challenges the reader or audience anymore. No one in 1780 could understand most of what the intelligensia was saying, and thats fine. The idea is to uplift and challenge the reader or audience. Dumbing it down for them, making sure you cater to the lowest common denominator so they understand you...is a problem.

Let em stay in the dark if they want to rise.


Because you are an optimist. Vassago is perfectly neutral. How he appears to you, tells you more about yourself, than about him.

Vassago is proof that we'll never become fully "Idiocracy".

I disagree. Please point me to a post of his that doesn't have a negative undertone.

[Sandpit]

KraftySOT, on 12 December 2014 - 10:22 AM, said:

See thats the brilliance of Vassago and those other writers.

He writes beyond that 7th grade level. Screw the stupids. If you cant master the language enough to parse through to find the granuals of gold...well, then be happy at your level.

The reason that most adults read at that level, and our congress speaks at that level, is because no one challenges the reader or audience anymore. No one in 1780 could understand most of what the intelligensia was saying, and thats fine. The idea is to uplift and challenge the reader or audience. Dumbing it down for them, making sure you cater to the lowest common denominator so they understand you...is a problem.

you just proved my point
thank you
The average adult isn't "dumb"

You obviously have never been an author, public speaker, etc.

Anyone that has would completely and totally disagree with everything you've just said. If you are going to communicate, you communicate at the level of your audience regardless of your OPINION on how "dumb" they are.

[XX Sulla XX]

You might want to take this part out "No, you can't bring 4 lights and win." haha.

[KraftySOT]

Sandpit, on 12 December 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

you just proved my point
thank you
The average adult isn't "dumb"

You obviously have never been an author, public speaker, etc.

Anyone that has would completely and totally disagree with everything you've just said. If you are going to communicate, you communicate at the level of your audience regardless of your OPINION on how "dumb" they are.

Nope, music is my thing, though I dabble in writing (articles for local 'zines, music reviews)

And lets see, a short list of authors who would infact agree with me.

Charles Bukowski
Hunter S Thompson
Robert Frost
Walt Whitmann
Mark Twain
George Orwell
Phillip K ****
Aldous Huxley
Frank Herbert
Kurt Vonnegut
William S Burroughs...

The list keeps going.

[KraftySOT]

Go pick up The Outlaw Bible of American Essays.

Youre correct in that many successful authors, take your Grisham for example, or even Tom Clancy (its above the level of the average, but its specifically for people who already know the ins and outs of the subject matter) write to the level of lowest common denominator because thats their audience.

Bernard Cromwell writes at a 7th grade level. Thats ok. Thats his thing.

But those people arent really artists. Theyre just serving up entertainment geared towards the lowest common denominator because its first and foremost a way to pay the rent.

Hunter S Thompson, Charles Bukowski, Henry Thoreau, these people continue to elevate the discourse. Thats what Vassago does here. Though in his own unique gonzo way. Much like to many people Hunter sounds like a drunken rant against Nixon...and its really a gifted critique of the American way of life....many people see Vassago as a raving troll. When really, he humorously makes very valid points about this game.

Edited by KraftySOT, 12 December 2014 - 10:46 AM.

[Sandpit]

KraftySOT, on 12 December 2014 - 10:40 AM, said:

Nope, music is my thing, though I dabble in writing (articles for local 'zines, music reviews)

And lets see, a short list of authors who would infact agree with me.

Charles Bukowski
Hunter S Thompson
Robert Frost
Walt Whitmann
Mark Twain
George Orwell
Phillip K ****
Aldous Huxley
Frank Herbert
Kurt Vonnegut
William S Burroughs...

The list keeps going.

KraftySOT, on 12 December 2014 - 10:44 AM, said:

Go pick up The Outlaw Bible of American Essays.

Youre correct in that many successful authors, take your Grisham for example, or even Tom Clancy (its above the level of the average, but its specifically for people who already know the ins and outs of the subject matter) write to the level of lowest common denominator because thats their audience.

Bernard Cromwell writes at a 7th grade level. Thats ok. Thats his thing.

But those people arent really artists. Theyre just serving up entertainment geared towards the lowest common denominator because its first and foremost a way to pay the rent.

Hunter S Thompson, Charles Bukowski, Henry Thoreau, these people continue to elevate the discourse. Thats what Vassago does here. Though in his own unique gonzo way. Much like to many people Hunter sounds like a drunken rant against Nixon...and its really a gifted critique of the American way of life....many people see Vassago as a raving troll. When really, he humorously makes very valid points about this game.

psst, no they wouldn't agree with you.
They would agree with me and tell you that they wrote specifically for a higher level of audience.

Vass wants to communicate here, not at a literary forum, not a mensa forum, here, MWO forum. That means if you want people to comprehend and understand you communicate at their level.
period

[HBizzle]

Lot of scrubs in this thread. LULZ.

[KraftySOT]

Sandpit, on 12 December 2014 - 10:47 AM, said:

psst, no they wouldn't agree with you.
They would agree with me and tell you that they wrote specifically for a higher level of audience.

Vass wants to communicate here, not at a literary forum, not a mensa forum, here, MWO forum. That means if you want people to comprehend and understand you communicate at their level.
period

Well I disagree. Many of those authors had alot of trouble getting published, published themselves, were published after death or failure.

All along the way they were told what their audience was, and they disagreed. At the time, most of them had no idea they had an audience.

Vonnegut never expected to sell Slaughterhouse Five. Hunter never expected to sell Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail. Salinger was so pissed he compromised Catcher in the Rye, he hid away until his death. Charles Bukowski was too drunk, and his friend and confidedant published many of them.

Thoreau had a family member come and get his writings.

Phillip K **** blew up two of his novels, and never even attempted to publish Exogesis.

I just disagree.

But then again its objective based.

Vassago isnt trying to convince you, or even PGI. He's just makin statements. If that elevates your mindset and the conversation, great, if it doesnt, great.

Youre saying his objective should be to convince the masses of things, even though that has no bearing on game development and amounts to a hill of beans.

So I disagree with that too. Whats the point of communicating with the masses? Is that going to make PGI do anything differently? I seriously doubt it.

That kind of cynicism is just realism.

Edited by KraftySOT, 12 December 2014 - 10:55 AM.

[Sandpit]

KraftySOT, on 12 December 2014 - 10:52 AM, said:

Vassago isnt trying to convince you, or even PGI. He's just makin statements.

which is exactly what I said earlier.

he tried to play it off by making a constructive post after he got called out for his trolling by just about everyone in this thread. I pointed out that he wasn't constructive, nor was he anything other than trolling with his op.
Trolling is trolling and he wanted to portray it like we all jumped on him because we don't like him. If you make erroneous statements, then be prepared to be called on them.

[KraftySOT]

*shrug* Well I agree with him the vast majority of the time, despite his delivery system.

Theres no point in trying to convince anyone of anything. Either you do. Or you dont. I dont think you guys dont like him, I just think you dont understand him.

[Joseph Mallan]

KraftySOT, on 12 December 2014 - 11:16 AM, said:

*shrug* Well I agree with him the vast majority of the time, despite his delivery system.

Theres no point in trying to convince anyone of anything. Either you do. Or you dont. I dont think you guys dont like him, I just think you dont understand him.

I bum around with some good players... I know exactly where I stand and have no false sense of superiority on that mark.

Sandpit, on 12 December 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

you just proved my point
thank you
The average adult isn't "dumb"

You obviously have never been an author, public speaker, etc.

Anyone that has would completely and totally disagree with everything you've just said. If you are going to communicate, you communicate at the level of your audience regardless of your OPINION on how "dumb" they are.

Just for my own curiosity, Does fanfiction count as author? Or do you only count Paid professional Author?

[KraftySOT]

Joseph Mallan, on 12 December 2014 - 11:20 AM, said:

I bum around with some good players... I know exactly where I stand and have no false sense of superiority on that mark.


Just for my own curiosity, Does fanfiction count as author? Or do you only count Paid professional Author?

Fan fiction has to count, if Salinger counts. He wrote one freaking thing and is one of Americas greatest authors.

[Mogney]

One flaw in the OPs logic is that I don't think there are enough tryhard teams to actually dominate Community Warfare as he proposes will happen.

[Col Kurtz]

Steinar Bergstol, on 11 December 2014 - 04:47 PM, said:

Oh, I'm exactly as good as I think I am.

In other words, At my very best I'm passable, barely. At my worst I'm an embarrassment to the human race and all should turn their gaze away from my countenance to display to the world that I should be shunned for suckitude of epic proportions.

And if people are going to hate me for my skill (or rather lack thereof) then that's fine. They may also feel free to bite my mech's shiny metal posterior, because I'm way to old and over the hill to assign any importance to the fact that someone on the internet may not approve of me.

^^^^ This reply sums up my thoughts. Awesome post.

[KraftySOT]

Im of that opinion too, seeing as the Lords couldnt and still cant, take Apollo.

However, clearly the two big Davion units are moving nicely.

The goons have yet to do anything for Laio.

Though if they dont fix the wait times, the solos are gonna drop off, and theyre going to have the run of the place.

[FETTY WAP]

Beat a Steiner 12-man in my second match as a pug.
Also heard that Lords couldn't flip a planet against pugs.


Maybe nobody is good at this game.

Edited by Lava Cookies, 12 December 2014 - 11:48 AM.