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[wanderer]

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Historically, House Marik has waged war on House Liao far more often than it has House Davion...

Historically, Davion wasn't invading Kurita and Liao full-on while the Clans were invading, either.

Instead, you now have three factions with very good reasons to get rid of the rats in the basement so they can focus on dealing with the bear, hawk, jaguar, and wolf when they arrive- and in Kurita's case, to have planets left in the first place once said rats are gone.



And the best part is, rat poison even comes in Steiner blue so we can get them in on it eventually, too.

[DaemonWulfe]

Look who came creepin' around again...

[pwnface]

wanderer, on 27 January 2015 - 04:26 PM, said:

Historically, Davion wasn't invading Kurita and Liao full-on while the Clans were invading, either.

Instead, you now have three factions with very good reasons to get rid of the rats in the basement so they can focus on dealing with the bear, hawk, jaguar, and wolf when they arrive- and in Kurita's case, to have planets left in the first place once the rats are gone.

Kurita will definitely have planets when the federats are eradicated, they just might all be former davion planets..

[Neutron IX]

Joe Decker, on 27 January 2015 - 11:15 AM, said:

I have to agree, an attractive Idea, and as much as I was for teaching Davies a Lesson, I guess they learned it by now and if we could get to an acceptable Peace with them at some Point soon, we might be able to bring our well organized Forces against the Clans.

The more Time we loose now, the more of a Threat they might become. Draconis Combine and the FRR need our Help.

For example it wasn't a good Idea to humiliate Germany after WWI and that led to WWII. We should be forgiving towards the Davies and focus on the real Threat we got now with the Clans.

Also as IS we should stop our Infight at some Point and work together.

I am honest : I cannot see those Red/Yellow Banners any longer

For the Davies : I got nothing against Davion Players - I just love the Immersion that CW gave us after Years of senseless PUG Gaming

For good heated CW you need Enemies

In Fact, some of our Battles were epic and on the Battlefield most of you were really good Sportsmen. Not talking about your Propaganda and Stuff though ^^

Count me in...

I'm a, "take a page out of the Victor playbook" kind of guy.

"Threats from within? What threats from within? The CLANS are who we need to kill!".

(Unless we're talking House Liao...Rip's Capellan March born, soooo... ).

[Lord Ikka]

Heck- why don't we have a Kapteyn Accords meeting on New Avalon? That's a laudable goal for Kurita, Marik, and Liao.

[Valar13]

ShinVector, on 25 January 2015 - 07:24 AM, said:

Think this is against lore for Liao though.
Anyway thanks for the intel.

*Attack SunBROs backs on Fridays. Noted.

Could we also have Whitting Conference Wednesdays, where we all sit around and engage in political epeen infighting to determine which one of us should lead a ceremonial Star League to crush the invaders?

[Joe Decker]

Rip Snorgan, on 27 January 2015 - 08:12 PM, said:

Count me in...

I'm a, "take a page out of the Victor playbook" kind of guy.

"Threats from within? What threats from within? The CLANS are who we need to kill!".

(Unless we're talking House Liao...Rip's Capellan March born, soooo... ).

I hope Liao will also be Part of a Peace soon. Of Course that would need Liao also agreeing to it and not breaking it

They should also fight the Clans. All of us. Just develop some good defensive Tactics everyone.

[Davers]

Joe Decker, on 27 January 2015 - 10:56 PM, said:

I hope Liao will also be Part of a Peace soon. Of Course that would need Liao also agreeing to it and not breaking it

They should also fight the Clans. All of us. Just develop some good defensive Tactics everyone.

Why? What does Liao get from this peace? Why should they lay down their arms? What does Marik gain either? Right now Marik strikes Steiner and Davion at will, Liao is regaining territory, and our Kuritan allies overwhelm Davion defenses daily. Have you forgotten WHY Liao and Marik created this ceasefire? Have you forgotten the Davion pledge to destroy Liao? Can you not count the number of Marik worlds still in Davion hands? Peace you say? Perhaps when Liao's borders are safe. Another 50 Davion planets ought to do that.

[Karl Marlow]

All we are saying is give peace a chance.

[Joe Decker]

There is no Reason for us to beat on Steiner either. They never started a War Campaign as Davion did. The few of them that were playing mostly fought the Clans. What we get from it ? I ask what we get from beating on Davion and Steiner at this Point. We will just reduce their Numbers further. Their Numbers are already pretty low. I remember all what happened, but at this Point it is Time to care about other Enemies.

We will need Davion and Steiner Population to deal with the Clans. We also need Liao. We need all of the IS to get a Chance of pushing them back.

"It should've ended that day, but evil was allowed to endure."

Edited by Joe Decker, 28 January 2015 - 12:14 AM.

[Davers]

Joe Decker, on 28 January 2015 - 12:09 AM, said:

There is no Reason for us to beat on Steiner either. They never started a War Campaign as Davion did. The few of them that were playing mostly fought the Clans. What we get from it ? I ask what we get from beating on Davion and Steiner at this Point. We will just reduce their Numbers further. Their Numbers are already pretty low. I remember all what happened, but at this Point it is Time to care about other Enemies.

We will need Davion and Steiner Population to deal with the Clans. We also need Liao. We need all of the IS to get a Chance of pushing them back.

Steiner has already given up. Was there even any activity at all on any of their fronts tonight?

Kurita TRIED to fight the Clans. But you can't defend planets if you are being sabotaged by your own reinforcements.

You also don't realize how many units are currently Clans, all lined up to take a world. Look at CGB- they have 4-5 LARGE merc units, each of them the size of the FWL, all dropping against 1-2 fronts. Why do you think they started fighting other Clans? How long would you wait with over 100 people ahead of you in the queue? Hell, loyalist units over in CSJ were complaining that they couldn't even get a match in because of the numbers of mercs dropping.

You ask what do we get from fighting Davion? We get more than fighting the Clans. The experts who have been fighting the Clans say it isn't worth it to fight them. If the big units leave, maybe we will be able to help. But they are making big Cbills farming pugs, so why are they going to leave? I would stay to make a million Cbills a match too.

[MischiefSC]

Davers, on 28 January 2015 - 12:20 AM, said:

Steiner has already given up. Was there even any activity at all on any of their fronts tonight?

Kurita TRIED to fight the Clans. But you can't defend planets if you are being sabotaged by your own reinforcements.

You also don't realize how many units are currently Clans, all lined up to take a world. Look at CGB- they have 4-5 LARGE merc units, each of them the size of the FWL, all dropping against 1-2 fronts. Why do you think they started fighting other Clans? How long would you wait with over 100 people ahead of you in the queue? Hell, loyalist units over in CSJ were complaining that they couldn't even get a match in because of the numbers of mercs dropping.

You ask what do we get from fighting Davion? We get more than fighting the Clans. The experts who have been fighting the Clans say it isn't worth it to fight them. If the big units leave, maybe we will be able to help. But they are making big Cbills farming pugs, so why are they going to leave? I would stay to make a million Cbills a match too.

The Clan borders are a problem for that very reason. They are free money for even moderately organized Clan units. Pugs, bad pugs and pugs who've never even tried to join a unit, come into CW and pug Clan fights and they get butchered. Like pugging in the group queue.

So we hand these guys 400k, 500k every 20 minutes that they play and wonder why they do it? Remove pugging the Clan border and you'll do more to improve CW overall than anything else could.

[Joe Decker]

Davers, on 28 January 2015 - 12:20 AM, said:

Steiner has already given up. Was there even any activity at all on any of their fronts tonight?

Kurita TRIED to fight the Clans. But you can't defend planets if you are being sabotaged by your own reinforcements.

You also don't realize how many units are currently Clans, all lined up to take a world. Look at CGB- they have 4-5 LARGE merc units, each of them the size of the FWL, all dropping against 1-2 fronts. Why do you think they started fighting other Clans? How long would you wait with over 100 people ahead of you in the queue? Hell, loyalist units over in CSJ were complaining that they couldn't even get a match in because of the numbers of mercs dropping.

You ask what do we get from fighting Davion? We get more than fighting the Clans. The experts who have been fighting the Clans say it isn't worth it to fight them. If the big units leave, maybe we will be able to help. But they are making big Cbills farming pugs, so why are they going to leave? I would stay to make a million Cbills a match too.

You sound like Saruman Just sayin'

"Against the power of Mordor there can be no victory."

I don't care what the big spineless Units are doing. I wanna go and kill Clans.

Interesting that we got Experts who tell us what to do What do you get paid as an Expert in MWO ?

MischiefSC, on 28 January 2015 - 12:27 AM, said:

The Clan borders are a problem for that very reason. They are free money for even moderately organized Clan units. Pugs, bad pugs and pugs who've never even tried to join a unit, come into CW and pug Clan fights and they get butchered. Like pugging in the group queue.

So we hand these guys 400k, 500k every 20 minutes that they play and wonder why they do it? Remove pugging the Clan border and you'll do more to improve CW overall than anything else could.

Agreed, we need to become enabled to fight (attack) Clans instead of only being able to defend. PUG Resistance alone is doing more harm then to let them go for Turret Drops.

If we show others that it is possible to beat the Clans - the Situation will change drastically again.

I can imagine our Unit aligning with Steiner, Kurita, Rasalhague for a while to become enabled to fight the Clans actively.

Edited by Joe Decker, 28 January 2015 - 12:37 AM.

[Thorn Hallis]

Lord Ikka, on 27 January 2015 - 10:24 PM, said:

Heck- why don't we have a Kapteyn Accords meeting on New Avalon? That's a laudable goal for Kurita, Marik, and Liao.

Looking at the algorithm it might be that Clan Smoke Jaguar might join us on New Avalon soon.

Joe Decker, on 27 January 2015 - 10:56 PM, said:

I hope Liao will also be Part of a Peace soon. Of Course that would need Liao also agreeing to it and not breaking it

They should also fight the Clans. All of us. Just develop some good defensive Tactics everyone.

Tikonov or bust!

And not the planet, the communality.

[wanderer]

ThomasMarik, on 28 January 2015 - 12:07 AM, said:

All we are saying is give peace a chance.

Davion had a choice. It chose to attempt to devour the Confederation while stabbing the Combine in the back as it fought against the Clans.

Bad idea. Fool us once, shame on us. Twice would be too costly to allow.

[wanderer]

MischiefSC, on 28 January 2015 - 12:27 AM, said:

The Clan borders are a problem for that very reason. They are free money for even moderately organized Clan units. Pugs, bad pugs and pugs who've never even tried to join a unit, come into CW and pug Clan fights and they get butchered. Like pugging in the group queue.

So we hand these guys 400k, 500k every 20 minutes that they play and wonder why they do it? Remove pugging the Clan border and you'll do more to improve CW overall than anything else could.

And boooy do they get mad when you say aloud that it's a trap and a PUG farm for Clanners. I'd heartily suggest going on those worlds once and simply state the facts.

I did two runs. The PUG population dropped by 20 on the world in question after the second one. Short of salting the PUG wounds and pointing them at fighting elsewhere, kicking the puppies will give the Clans an endless source of easy wins, money, and hence resources.

Edited by wanderer, 28 January 2015 - 01:17 AM.

[Molossian Dog]

DaemonWulfe, on 27 January 2015 - 07:14 PM, said:

Look who came creepin' around again...

It is kind of embarassing that we have to apologize for things out of our control. But here I do. PGI decided to turn the merc-employer relationship upside down and we are sorry they bothered you.

Thankfully they are no danger.

Joe Decker, on 28 January 2015 - 12:09 AM, said:

There is no Reason for us to beat on Steiner either...

Sorry Joe, but I disagree in the strongest terms possible.

We haven´t even taken back what belongs to us. Making nice with the Elsies and the Dave will cut us off from what is rightfully ours.

If the FedCom is so desperate to form a grand alliance against the sister boinkers, they better give it back and then we can talk. The FWL shouldn´t be a junior partner in an alliance with people that invaded it and won´t give the occupied worlds back.

The thing is, we will get it back. The only question is if it will be sooner or later.

And I pretty much count on the Liaos feeling the same.

Edited by Molossian Dog, 28 January 2015 - 04:44 AM.

[Gorgo7]

Molossian Dog, on 28 January 2015 - 03:28 AM, said:

It is kind of embarassing that we have to apologize for things out of our control. But here I do. PGI decided to turn the merc-employer relationship upside down and we are sorry they bothered you.

Thankfully they are no danger.




Sorry Joe, but I disagree in the strongest terms possible.

We haven´t even taken back what belongs to us. Making nice with the Elsies and the Dave will cut us off from what is rightfully ours.

If the FedCom is so desperate to form a grand alliance against the sister boinkers, they better give it back and then we can talk. The FWL shouldn´t be a junior partner in an alliance with people that invaded it and won´t give the occupied worlds back.

The thing is, we will get it back. The only question is if it will be sooner or later.

And I pretty much count on the Liaos feeling the same.

Agreed.

[cranect]

Ill fight the clans now. We have our planet back. And Im crazy enough to fight them. Ill bring the locust if need be! The evil evil locust of taunting. It draws all the enemies fire and hopefully doesnt die XD

[Maxwell Albritten]

Peace is only possible once Davion is defeated. No peace before then.

And all those wanting to go fight the clans, why not join a house that is fighting them? My enemy is Davion.