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[Bishop Steiner]

Metus regem, on 18 December 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:

That does help, but the AC 20 does hit harder than the Gauss, so the TTK with a 4G is shorter than a Gauss, not just psychological....

well, even the ac20 packers. I just don't tend to fear them. Of course, I play run and gun, heavy scout as you know, so mobility, even a minor boost, kinda matters. And that 10 kph, in game, has always proven much bigger than it seems on paper.

[Satan n stuff]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 December 2014 - 09:54 AM, said:

Heck, maybe it's just psychological, but can't really fear a emch in a football jersey.

Too many people have made that mistake, they usually learn pretty fast though.

[verybad]

Michael Abt, on 14 December 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:

The real Bishop wouldn't sell out to the dragon.

Hey, you guys are the ones with all the money...We don't buy anybody out, people just come to understand that living in an Militarized Imperial Dictatorship with cultural ties to ancient Japan is great!

[Metus regem]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 December 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:

well, even the ac20 packers. I just don't tend to fear them. Of course, I play run and gun, heavy scout as you know, so mobility, even a minor boost, kinda matters. And that 10 kph, in game, has always proven much bigger than it seems on paper.

True, but as you know me Bishop, I am often found being a shepherd to the Dire Wolves in the drop, so my speed is really negated, by the fact that I am playing a heavy escort / ECM support... that is till someone like Tenore asks me to go and kill someone with a laser pointer, letting me run smack dab into three timber wolves in the process... I kill the TAG, but often die doing it.

[Satan n stuff]

verybad, on 18 December 2014 - 10:15 AM, said:

Hey, you guys are the ones with all the money...We don't buy anybody out, people just come to understand that living in an Militarized Imperial Dictatorship with cultural ties to ancient Japan is great!

Living in any of the successor states or clan territories would be pretty damn awful, especially right now. A world designed around a wargame generally isn't one you'd like to live in, just look at 40K. BT isn't that bad, but it's not exactly pleasant either.

Metus regem, on 18 December 2014 - 10:18 AM, said:

True, but as you know me Bishop, I am often found being a shepherd to the Dire Wolves in the drop, so my speed is really negated, by the fact that I am playing a heavy escort / ECM support... that is till someone like Tenore asks me to go and kill someone with a laser pointer, letting me run smack dab into three timber wolves in the process... I kill the TAG, but often die doing it.

Well what do you expect, Cats like laser pointers.

[Jman5]

The Grid Iron with a Gauss is the only Hunchback I'm comfortable bringing a sub-250 engine. Its gear is so heavy that it makes it difficult to equip anything over 250. Fortunately, the Gauss gives it both high range and low heat so not only can you be flexible about your position, but you don't need the 10 true double heat sinks.

[Bishop Steiner]

verybad, on 18 December 2014 - 10:15 AM, said:

Hey, you guys are the ones with all the money...We don't buy anybody out, people just come to understand that living in an Militarized Imperial Dictatorship with cultural ties to ancient Japan is great!

better sushi.

[Metus regem]

verybad, on 18 December 2014 - 10:15 AM, said:

Hey, you guys are the ones with all the money...We don't buy anybody out, people just come to understand that living in an Militarized Imperial Dictatorship with cultural ties to ancient Japan is great!

That message was brought to you at katana point....

[Dagon Zur]

Bagheera, on 16 December 2014 - 02:39 PM, said:

Am I the only one who wants the HBK 4SP and 4J quirks swapped?

I want SRM6 quirks on "J" , it has a perfectly usable shield side

Edited by Dagon Zur, 18 December 2014 - 10:31 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Dagon Zur, on 18 December 2014 - 10:29 AM, said:

I want SRM6 quirks on "J" , it has a perfectly usable shield side

not I. I want them to excel at what each variant is supposed to excel at. The SP does the SRMs just fine. The J is a LRM carrier, it should do LRMs better than SRMs.

[Satan n stuff]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 December 2014 - 10:48 AM, said:

not I. I want them to excel at what each variant is supposed to excel at. The SP does the SRMs just fine. The J is a LRM carrier, it should do LRMs better than SRMs.

And yet mine has only medium pulse lasers. Being better at LRMs doesn't mean it's actually good at it.

[Bishop Steiner]

Satan n stuff, on 18 December 2014 - 10:51 AM, said:

And yet mine has only medium pulse lasers. Being better at LRMs doesn't mean it's actually good at it.

my stats say otherwise.

[verybad]

Satan n stuff, on 18 December 2014 - 10:20 AM, said:

Living in any of the successor states or clan territories would be pretty damn awful, especially right now. A world designed around a wargame generally isn't one you'd like to live in, just look at 40K. BT isn't that bad, but it's not exactly pleasant either.

*meh*
Considering there are several trillion people in the IS, they actually have less horrific wars than our main ones (WWI, WWII, etc).

It all depends on WHERE you're homeplanet is. Some of the planets deep within the Successor States are probably pretty nice and don't see much war.

The armies of the successor states are an order of magnitude smaller than modern ones in ratio comparison. Hell, many of them are actually smaller than modern ones directly.

The Successor States are much less violent than the 21st century is.

Edited by verybad, 19 December 2014 - 11:26 AM.

[Satan n stuff]

verybad, on 19 December 2014 - 11:26 AM, said:

*meh*
Considering there are several trillion people in the IS, they actually have less horrific wars than our main ones (WWI, WWII, etc).

It all depends on WHERE you're homeplanet is. Some of the planets deep within the Successor States are probably pretty nice and don't see much war.

The armies of the successor states are an order of magnitude smaller than modern ones in ratio comparison. Hell, many of them are actually smaller than modern ones directly.

The Successor States are much less violent than the 21st century is.

Well I wouldn't want to be living anywhere near this.

[Fate 6]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 December 2014 - 10:24 AM, said:

Even those you list, have huge trade-offs.

Huginn is still fragile as heck and has to be near PBR.
CN9-Ds autoshotty is fast, but really only vicious AFTER armor is breached.
DRG-1N and WVR-6K place all their eggs in one relatively easy to destroy basket...and then are worthless.
TDR-5SS is probably one of the closest to broken, but it' still has to get real close to be truly effective.

All can do evil things....in the right situation. Just like the HBK.

The 4G for instance. Was supposed to be a medium mech, that in city fighting and ambushes, could make assault mech scrap their drawers. The Doubled Armor, essentially ended that. The high RoF brings SOME of that back, but since it is still being delivered over multiple shots, is spreadable. And still being carried by a mech with Medium Mech armor, and Assault Mech speed.

Yet people still cry it's OP.

Why don't people talk about the YLW when it comes to AC20s? Am I the only YLW pilot out there? I've got over a 2 K/D ratio with the thing, and believe me it's not because I sit on the sidelines protecting my stats. I go well over 100KPH with more than a 30 damage pinpoint alpha. Sure you can remove the AC20, but any smart pilot knows to torso twist after shooting and tank with the left arm. I'd run more than 1 YLW in CW if I had more.

[superteds]

Satan n stuff, on 18 December 2014 - 10:51 AM, said:

And yet mine has only medium pulse lasers. Being better at LRMs doesn't mean it's actually good at it.

it is actually quite good at it, 2 ROF bonus + LRM10s low general spread, tight launchers and room for LRM, TAG and MLAS. surprised we don't see more of them and less kintaros

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...91154049e138026

swap MLAS for SLAS if you want more ammo.

Edited by superteds, 19 December 2014 - 01:15 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Fate 6, on 19 December 2014 - 12:36 PM, said:

Why don't people talk about the YLW when it comes to AC20s? Am I the only YLW pilot out there? I've got over a 2 K/D ratio with the thing, and believe me it's not because I sit on the sidelines protecting my stats. I go well over 100KPH with more than a 30 damage pinpoint alpha. Sure you can remove the AC20, but any smart pilot knows to torso twist after shooting and tank with the left arm. I'd run more than 1 YLW in CW if I had more.

YLW was my ride of choice since it was delivered, up through Open Beta, to Launch. I run one on both my accts, and both are near 4/1 KDr. 300xl, ac20, 4tons ammo and 2 MPL is a great set up.

That said, I just seem to have gelled even better since giving my Founder's 4G another shot. I think mostly, I find the ability to shoot over cover to be even more useful for me than the speed of the YLW.

That said, I still love my Wang, and enjoy playing with it whenever possible!

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 19 December 2014 - 01:56 PM.

[Telmasa]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 December 2014 - 08:32 AM, said:

Lolz. Try playing outside the underhive then.

Go ask any semi competitive clan, especially Clan one, just how much they crap their drawers when they see a Grid Iron. Because they don't.

That's a bit of a dumb question, you're talking about groups, not individuals.

When in CW you see 4+ GI hunchies dodging around the ridge with gauss rifles all pointed at you, do you just stand there and fight because they're so "weak"?

I don't flippin' think so.

[Bishop Steiner]

Telmasa, on 19 December 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

That's a bit of a dumb question, you're talking about groups, not individuals.

When in CW you see 4+ GI hunchies dodging around the ridge with gauss rifles all pointed at you, do you just stand there and fight because they're so "weak"?

I don't flippin' think so.

speaking of dumb questions,

when you see 4+ ANYTHING with their guns pointed at you, do you just stand there and fight because they're weak?

"I don't flipping think so", either.

Since we're speaking of groups and not individuals. *SMH*

And yes I'd much rather be facing 4+ GIs than 4+ Gauss Jagers, TWolfs, etc.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 19 December 2014 - 05:12 PM.

[YueFei]

Telmasa, on 19 December 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

That's a bit of a dumb question, you're talking about groups, not individuals.

When in CW you see 4+ GI hunchies dodging around the ridge with gauss rifles all pointed at you, do you just stand there and fight because they're so "weak"?

I don't flippin' think so.

The HBK-GI has tremendous rate-of-fire with the Gauss, but, being a long range weapon, the people you shoot it at usually have time to duck into cover before you can shoot a second time. You'd have to be exposed for 3 seconds to get hit a second time. I mean, even if somehow you're caught out, and get hit a second time, by then you should have had time to react and block the second shot with an arm or shoulder.

Basically, in a match, there are a limited number of opportunities to hit and to get hit back, and it's not like the HBK-GI can move so fast that it can generate a lot of additional opportunities. Given those limited opportunities, something that can deliver 30+ PPFLD damage each time is more dangerous than something that's delivering 15 PPFLD damage each time.

Taking 15 to my CT, fumbling like a moron for the reverse button, twisting and then taking another 15 damage to my arm or shoulder is better than suddenly taking 30 to my CT and then diving into cover. I can live without my arm or shoulder, I can't live without my CT.

And like Bishop said, 4 of anything piling into you is going to be scary.