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[Doomliger]

From seeing the post on the forums I can see a few mention of sniper mechs.

this could be achieved using:

1. ballistic weapon eg guass rifle.
2. laser weapons eg PPC.

is it possible to make a dual PPC, guass rifle hunchback.


one more question is, does the guass rifle has projectile travel time? and looking at the battletechwiki, there is a Minimum range, what is that going to work?!

[Xandre Blackheart]

Uhm... I suppose it's POSSIBLE to squeeze all that on a hunchback, Maybe.

Will it be practical?

[Chunkymonkey]

No armor, no heatsinks no ammo....then it still might not fit.

[Doomliger]

I thk in order to do it, probably need to lower the armour to get more weight.

if there isnt minimum range on those guns, then i think it can be viable

[Eisenhorne]

If its anything like the other mechwarrior games, the PPC and the Gauss rifle both have travel times.

I really doubt your squeezing all that onto the Hunchback, also. Again, going by just other MW games, a Gauss rifle + 2x PPC's would weigh in at like 30 tons... when the hunch normally only carries like 20 tons of weapons. Plus, those PPC's are going to suck without a LOT of heatsinks, which your not going to have the weight for. If you did manage to get all those weapons on, your looking at horrible overheating problems, along with paper thin armor and an engine barely large enough to move with.

[Death Mallet]

Possible != viable.

[Doomliger]

haha thanks for the replies, if i can fit all those in, i will just find a lake or river, stand in it for camoflage and heat management, and start camping

those 3 shots if all aimed at same place should cripple a medium mech? if not the guass should be able to fire again pretty soon?

[Xandre Blackheart]

I suggest you would be better served rethinking your choice of weapons in a 50 ton sniper mech. You probably could squeeze the gauss rifle on a hunchback with little problem but by sticking PPC's on it you are playing against the strengths of the gauss rifle ( No heat).

Maybe this is a job for the much maligned AC/2. Yeah yeah I know, want big numbers but really that's what the gauss rifle is for. For 7 tons each you could get an AC/2 with a ton of ammo each and a LONGER range and MUCH less heat than twin PPC's for the same weight. And you aren't going to be firing those PPC's much without heatsinks.

Or better yet, just go with the gauss rifle and some LRM 5's if you really want to be practical and not compromise your mech's speed and armor.

[Vandul]

NO

[Doomliger]

Xandre Blackheart, on 27 June 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

I suggest you would be better served rethinking your choice of weapons in a 50 ton sniper mech. You probably could squeeze the gauss rifle on a hunchback with little problem but by sticking PPC's on it you are playing against the strengths of the gauss rifle ( No heat).

Maybe this is a job for the much maligned AC/2. Yeah yeah I know, want big numbers but really that's what the gauss rifle is for. For 7 tons each you could get an AC/2 with a ton of ammo each and a LONGER range and MUCH less heat than twin PPC's for the same weight. And you aren't going to be firing those PPC's much without heatsinks.

Or better yet, just go with the gauss rifle and some LRM 5's if you really want to be practical and not compromise your mech's speed and armor.

There are no missile hardpoints on the standard hunchback! plus u will be out of ballistic hardpoints after the guass rifle.

Edited by Doomliger, 27 June 2012 - 07:17 PM.

[Skadi]

Quad PPC Catapult. Sup
*Cat lights on fire from overheating*

[Twisted Power]

Doomliger, on 27 June 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

haha thanks for the replies, if i can fit all those in, i will just find a lake or river, stand in it for camoflage and heat management, and start camping

those 3 shots if all aimed at same place should cripple a medium mech? if not the guass should be able to fire again pretty soon?

Wate. You plan to sit in the middle of a river with no armor? There are things called LRM's you know. The come from above you and you are going to limit your movement by sittin in the water and again I will point out no armor?

Hmmmmm

[Minsc]

Using this tool : http://remlab.source...lab30/build.lab

It technically is possible to make a Gauss PPCx2 Hunchback. The problem is no extra heat sinks, next to no armor, and your tiny engine makes you more of a very slow moving mobile turret.

[Eisenhorne]

Doomliger, on 27 June 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

haha thanks for the replies, if i can fit all those in, i will just find a lake or river, stand in it for camoflage and heat management, and start camping

those 3 shots if all aimed at same place should cripple a medium mech? if not the guass should be able to fire again pretty soon?

Talking from a purely mechwarrior 3/4 perspective, yea if all of those hit dead on target they could cripple a light/medium mech, or seriously damage a heavy. But yea, You'd be better off going for a Gauss rifle, maybe 2 medium lasers for close fire support, then spend the rest on jump jets + a bigger engine along with ECM (if you can mount it on a hunchback) so you can get into position behind the enemy without being seen, and blow holes in them.

[Hikaru]

More importantly, why try to fit a fat kid into a bread box?

There's no reason anyone needs to stay in a Medium with no armor and no speed to get 3 long range weapons. MWO has no drop limits. Get in a Heavy or Assault and fix your problem.

[Xandre Blackheart]

Doomliger, on 27 June 2012 - 07:16 PM, said:

There are no missile hardpoints on the standard hunchback! plus u will be out of ballistic hardpoints after the guass rifle.

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting hardpoints. Shame. LRM 5's are awesome for just slapping on long range firepower. I guess the alternative would be to put in ONE PPC and seven heat sinks, but that's still pushing it on top of a gauss rifle. But it would be a huge amount of firepower for a 50 ton Mech.

[Eisenhorne]

Xandre Blackheart, on 27 June 2012 - 07:22 PM, said:

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting hardpoints. Shame. LRM 5's are awesome for just slapping on long range firepower. I guess the alternative would be to put in ONE PPC and seven heat sinks, but that's still pushing it on top of a gauss rifle. But it would be a huge amount of firepower for a 50 ton Mech.

Normally I'd rather have 2-3 medium lasers + a bigger engine / armor than a PCC with barely enough heat sinks and a slow *** mech with paper armor.

[Erwiin]

Doomliger, on 27 June 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

is it possible to make a dual PPC, guass rifle hunchback.

You would have to use double heat sinks. With a standard engine and only 1 ton of ammo (8 rounds), the Hunchie would have 24 points of armour (14% of maximum). With an XL engine, the armour would increase to 88 points (52%). Adding ammo/heat sinks would obviously reduce the armour.

[WardenWolf]

According to Solaris Skunk Werks, a 50 ton mech with 1 Gauss Rifle w/ 2 tons of ammo, 2 x ERPPC (so the range is similar), double heat sinks (just the normal amt that come with the engine), XL engine at 54kph, and 6 tons of ferrofibrous armor should be doable. Exactly the right number of crits - not one to spare

Now that would be a bit of a glass cannon... and a SLOW glass cannon at that... not sure of the effectiveness...

[Odanan]

Doomliger, on 27 June 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

is it possible to make a dual PPC, guass rifle hunchback.

It isn't possible. You would need 27.5 extra tons in the Hunchback for having 2 Gauss + 2 PPCs. Of course, without the needed extra heat sinks to fire the two PPCs at the same time*.

There is a mech with 2 PPCs and 2 Gauss however: it's called Devastator, and it weights exactly two Hunchbacks.

* And the rules of customization in MWO wouldn't allow it, even without the issue of the tonnage.