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[Alexander Steel]

Had Amaris not had a rebellion than Kerensky wouldn't have left the IS so really Amaris founded the clans... by that logic. Every point in history happens because every thing else that happened before it. That doesn't change who the person who did X action at Y time was.

[percolated1]

Alexander Steel, on 06 January 2015 - 10:26 AM, said:

Had Amaris not had a rebellion than Kerensky wouldn't have left the IS so really Amaris founded the clans... by that logic. Every point in history happens because every thing else that happened before it. That doesn't change who the person who did X action at Y time was.

I agree wholeheartedly. Because the loss of ilKhan Showers and the Truce of Tukayyid managed to fracture the Clans, the Inner Sphere gained precious time to rally, catch up techologically, re-establish the Star League, and develop joint strategies and tactics. This was what enabled Victor Steiner-Davion (and Focht, and Sun-Tzu Liao, and Theodore Kurita, and whichever Thomas Marik body double happened to be along for the ride... basically the entire Inner Sphere) to run roughshod over the Clans one at a time, instead of being counterattacked on all sides by the united Clan war machine. VSD certainly finished the conflict with panache and style, but Tyra Miraborg and Anastasius Focht did more in my opinion, and in the spur of the moment with everything on the line, to win the overall conflict.

[Dagorlad13]

percolated1, on 06 January 2015 - 03:07 PM, said:

I agree wholeheartedly. Because the loss of ilKhan Showers and the Truce of Tukayyid managed to fracture the Clans, the Inner Sphere gained precious time to rally, catch up techologically, re-establish the Star League, and develop joint strategies and tactics. This was what enabled Victor Steiner-Davion (and Focht, and Sun-Tzu Liao, and Theodore Kurita, and whichever Thomas Marik body double happened to be along for the ride... basically the entire Inner Sphere) to run roughshod over the Clans one at a time, instead of being counterattacked on all sides by the united Clan war machine. VSD certainly finished the conflict with panache and style, but Tyra Miraborg and Anastasius Focht did more in my opinion, and in the spur of the moment with everything on the line, to win the overall conflict.

Well, they ran over Smoke Jag with lots of help from Clan Wolf in Exile (who were mad at CJF). In the meantime, though CJF and Ghost Bear became very powerful and CJF was only really forced to postpone the invasion because the Word of Blake was a threat to everyone.

[Reitmeier]

Tunes of war, on 29 December 2014 - 06:06 AM, said:

me as a german can not approve this...

JUDAS!!!!

[Alexander Steel]

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CJF was only really forced to postpone the invasion because the Word of Blake was a threat to everyone.

CJF got attacked by two homeworld clans during the Reaving. That probably had more to do with them not bothering the IS during the Blake uprising.

[Dagorlad13]

Alexander Steel, on 06 January 2015 - 03:42 PM, said:

CJF got attacked by two homeworld clans during the Reaving. That probably had more to do with them not bothering the IS during the Blake uprising.

Remember, even CJF eventually joined with the New Star League to fight the Wobbies.

[Alexander Steel]

That's because Devlin Stone asked them to, and nobody in the IS could resist the charm of having Devlin Stone say "Hey, join me."

Probably one of my least favorite B-Tech character who came from nowhere, had everybody instantly trust him ((even though even long time friends were turning traitor left and right)), and had leaders who had actual cred as having led massive wars suddenly defer everything to him because.... he's Devlin Stone.

[Dagorlad13]

Alexander Steel, on 06 January 2015 - 08:11 PM, said:

That's because Devlin Stone asked them to, and nobody in the IS could resist the charm of having Devlin Stone say "Hey, join me."

Probably one of my least favorite B-Tech character who came from nowhere, had everybody instantly trust him ((even though even long time friends were turning traitor left and right)), and had leaders who had actual cred as having led massive wars suddenly defer everything to him because.... he's Devlin Stone.

Yeah, the Dark Ages was pretty much crap. They made up the WOB just to counter the Clans.

[Alexander Steel]

Not exactly. From talking with some of the guys in charge of the B-Tech Lore the Comstar vs WoB was always going to be an event. Much like the Civil War was an event and so was the Great Refusal/BullDog events. It was planned to have it's own novels if possible, and have it's own set of lore and the like.

However money problems ended the idea of the novels, the company went Belly Up and got sold, and the clickie tech came out that jumped the time line by 70 or so years. So when the rights to do the 3060+ timeline stuff came up, they were told in no uncertain terms that it had to match the Clickie Tech Dark Ages Lore and it had to eventually get from Point A to Point B.

So the Jihad became the horrid thing that it was and VASTLY increased in scale to the point where every faction was basically wrecked by it, Devlin Stone was forced on the 3060+ time line, and all the messed up stuff had to happen to wreck the IS and Clans to the point where they were where they were in the Dark Ages. Thus the Reaving happened as well.

Edited by Alexander Steel, 07 January 2015 - 08:09 AM.

[Tordin]

Seems you are rekting now Liao, gotten back a few more planets even though you lost another one. Also the Purple Eagles have joined the fray against the sunbros and sis it seems?

[Dagorlad13]

Alexander Steel, on 07 January 2015 - 08:08 AM, said:

Not exactly. From talking with some of the guys in charge of the B-Tech Lore the Comstar vs WoB was always going to be an event. Much like the Civil War was an event and so was the Great Refusal/BullDog events. It was planned to have it's own novels if possible, and have it's own set of lore and the like.

However money problems ended the idea of the novels, the company went Belly Up and got sold, and the clickie tech came out that jumped the time line by 70 or so years. So when the rights to do the 3060+ timeline stuff came up, they were told in no uncertain terms that it had to match the Clickie Tech Dark Ages Lore and it had to eventually get from Point A to Point B.

So the Jihad became the horrid thing that it was and VASTLY increased in scale to the point where every faction was basically wrecked by it, Devlin Stone was forced on the 3060+ time line, and all the messed up stuff had to happen to wreck the IS and Clans to the point where they were where they were in the Dark Ages. Thus the Reaving happened as well.

Sounds reasonable, but FASA never went "belly-up", from what I have read, they sold off FASA while it was still profitable and regretted doing so later.

[BlakeAteIt]

Tordin, on 07 January 2015 - 09:39 AM, said:

Seems you are rekting now Liao, gotten back a few more planets even though you lost another one. Also the Purple Eagles have joined the fray against the sunbros and sis it seems?

Sunbros is now the term for the entire FedCom. Thank you for this contribution.

[wanderer]

If you really want to talk about Devlin Stone, you DO realize he's basically the reason for the whole Dark Ages meltdown and was likely a Blakist plant?

But that's nearly a century away and the DA is all kinds of messed up.

[BlakeAteIt]

The Dark Age was an inside job! Devlin Stone FALSE FLAG! Learn more at btinfowars.com!!!!!

[Thorn Hallis]

Alexander Steel, on 06 January 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

Actually the Great Refusal was a huge victory for the IS as it's direct fall out led to the hard break between the Clans in Clan Space and the Clans in the IS.

...which didn't change anything for the conquered worlds.

A "huge victory" would have been if the Clans would have left the Inner Sphere.

[Alexander Steel]

IronClaws, on 07 January 2015 - 10:25 AM, said:

Sounds reasonable, but FASA never went "belly-up", from what I have read, they sold off FASA while it was still profitable and regretted doing so later.

They weren't able to pay their writers. Michael Stackpole basically ended up not taking money from them for several months to make sure that some of the other writers at least got something for their work. So, they may have been "profitable" but they weren't paying all of their bills.

That said it seems that weird accounting practices follows the B-Tech license around. Just look at all the weird accounting that happened with Catalyst.

[BlakeAteIt]

I think it's more that they follow Shadowrun around, and Shadowrun follows BT around.

[Dagorlad13]

Alexander Steel, on 07 January 2015 - 11:06 AM, said:

They weren't able to pay their writers. Michael Stackpole basically ended up not taking money from them for several months to make sure that some of the other writers at least got something for their work. So, they may have been "profitable" but they weren't paying all of their bills.

That said it seems that weird accounting practices follows the B-Tech license around. Just look at all the weird accounting that happened with Catalyst.

Well, it is obvious that they were better game designers than accountants.

[Salinor]

Not to interrupt, but how did this discussion get from why Liao is getting rekt to VSD and Devlin Stone?

[Alexander Steel]

Every time Liao gets wrecked, Stackpole is somewhere lurking in the shadows. Giving aid and power to his Davion followers.