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[Repasy Cooper]

Antonius Rex, on 22 December 2014 - 01:39 AM, said:

Gentlemen,

I have a proposal for both Clan Wolf and Clan Ghost Bear.

To be clear, I don't speak for all of Ghost Bear, but I do speak for The Mercstar Alliance. Though we have talked a bit about this concept with our allies and suspect they will be onboard.

Essentially, [-MS-] and much of Ghost Bear would like to be able to engage Clan Jade Falcon in honourable combat. On the flip side, we don't really want to go to war with our Wolf brothers to do it, especially seeing as we just spent a week finally building peace between our two great Clans.

One aspect, is that we are getting bored with our 98ish% win rate and want to get some "comp" games against some high tiered opponents in the CW Clan theatre. Specifically SJR and Lords. Kinda sad that Lords had around half of their top 12 Comp players break away before we got to get over there to play them but alas, here we are.

The other big thing of interest to us is opening up another set of attack/defense lanes for all of Ghost Bear. Unlike our Spheroid compatriots which have 4 or even 6 different attack lanes, we are limited in how many theatres we can fight in a time. In part, due to the Bear/Wolf ceasefire. Not only that, but we also never really get any good clan defense options, as for the most part each clan is more than capable of holding their own borders.

So, I would like to start a dialogue between Wolf and Bear on how such an arrangement could come about in peaceful terms.

One of the ideas we had here over at [-MS-] I will outline below:
Day 1, CGB takes a wolf planet.
Day 2 CGB takes the next wolf planet, Wolf takes back the planet from Day 1.
Day 3, CGB takes the next planet, Wolf takes back the planet from Day 2
Day 4 ...
Day 5 CGB pushes into Falcon Territory. Wolf takes the last CGB planet behind them.

Pros:
- Avoid a conflict with Mercstar and possibly all of Ghost Bear
- Gain political favour for being willing to work with us. Could be useful in the future
- It gives the Bears another release valve (target) to send their warriors at. When Mercstar and her allies are unified on the Bear front, we pretty much just take every planet available to us. It's kinda hard not to attack Wolf just for something to do when our other 2 front lines are both 11-0 in our favour (the only thing stopping us is the Wolf/Bear ceasefire, which we helped broker).
- We would be making a record for one of the biggest planet swaps in CW history.
- Give an extra attack lane for the pesky Green Turkey pugs to attack, rather than having them continue to attack Wolf even though a ceasefire was agreed to between the major parties.
- If Wolf ever got into another war with the Falcons, Bear would be ready and able to assist their Wolf friends.
- If Wolf and Bear ever went to war in the future, Bear would have an extra attack/defense lane to worry about, weakening their general position.
- It will give Clan Ghost Bear another target other than simply pounding away at the FRR for lack of better targets, which can only help Wolf in its race to reach Terra first.
- Wolf units cleaning up planets as we go would get to put their name up on planets that would otherwise remain unclaimed by any of the major Clan Wolf factions. Examples include Paulus Prime, Drask's Den, Crellacor, Sigurd, Oberon VI, Placida, and Blackstone.
- More Salmon for nearly everyone.

Cons:
- Would avoid a possible conflict with Mercstar and possibly the rest of Clan Ghost Bear (I guess some people may want that).
- Splits the attention of the Clans over all, but only to a small degree. We know which two are mommy and daddy out of the 4 clan family. Wolf and Bear are destined for greatness, together in our quest for Terra.
- Would take minor amounts of effort to actually take the planets for both sides. But at least for Wolf, the value of getting unit names on otherwise unclaimable planets totally off sets that.
- Less Salmon for the Green Turkeys

I guess lastly, can you think of any good reasons not to let the Bears at those {Godwin's Law} loving, oddly coloured turkeys?

Hope all of this doesn't sound too crazy, but I figured I would outline Mercstar's desires/intentions before our contract shifts and we come back to Clan space on Thursday. Wouldn't want to touch off World Clan War III accidentally

Hope to hear from some of the Clan Wolf Leadership soon, with heartfelt dreams of continuing our partnership in the quest for glory and salmon.

Antonius Rex,
of the Swords of Kentares,
and the Mercstar Alliance.

Almost forgot to add the official Mercstar sign off for diplomatic communiques.



From Elissa to Crossing to Taga, the sun never sets on the Mercstar Alliance.

I have an ammendment. Seeing as this plan would effectively cause Jade Falcon to lose a territory and Ghost Bear to gain one, I believe a more diplomatic solution may be the following:

Day 1, CGB takes a wolf planet.
Day 2 CGB takes the next wolf planet, Wolf takes back the planet from Day 1.
Day 3, CGB takes the next planet, Wolf takes back the planet from Day 2.
Day 4 CGB takes next planet (now has a border with Jade Falcon), Wolf takes back planet from Day 3.
Day 5 Wolf takes a Ghost Bear planet of choice (other than one lost on Day 4).

This solution essentially calls for Ghost Bear and Wolf to swap a planet each. Ghost Bear would then have it's requested border with Jade Falcon, and both the Falcons and Wolves would retain a balance in territory. I suggest this amendment for 2 reasons:

1: If the arrangement requires Jade Falcon to lose a territory on Day 5, their consent is required. This would effectively make it an arrangement between Ghost Bear and Wolf AND Jade Falcon.
2: If Jade Falcon and Ghost Bear want to joust, this proposal leaves Ghost Bear with a single isolated system. If Jade Falcon fought and won the system, we'd have to spend another 5 days organizing this. So I assume this means that Jade Falcon will initially lose a system anyways, and this system would be the contested system that the two clans fight on, with occupation swapping back and forth possibly each day. But the contesting between Falcons and Bears is a separate matter, so I believe the amendment keeps THIS matter a matter for Bears and Wolves.

I don't speak for Ghost Bear at all, I consider myself of Snow Raven. But I believe that if Ghost Bear and Wolf decide to implement this arrangement, this is the most diplomatic way to swap territory as is currently possible. I say so respectfully, of course.

[Gyrok]

Antonius Rex, on 22 December 2014 - 01:39 AM, said:

Gentlemen,

I have a proposal for both Clan Wolf and Clan Ghost Bear.

To be clear, I don't speak for all of Ghost Bear, but I do speak for The Mercstar Alliance. Though we have talked a bit about this concept with our allies and suspect they will be onboard.

Essentially, [-MS-] and much of Ghost Bear would like to be able to engage Clan Jade Falcon in honourable combat. On the flip side, we don't really want to go to war with our Wolf brothers to do it, especially seeing as we just spent a week finally building peace between our two great Clans.

One aspect, is that we are getting bored with our 98ish% win rate and want to get some "comp" games against some high tiered opponents in the CW Clan theatre. Specifically SJR and Lords. Kinda sad that Lords had around half of their top 12 Comp players break away before we got to get over there to play them but alas, here we are.

The other big thing of interest to us is opening up another set of attack/defense lanes for all of Ghost Bear. Unlike our Spheroid compatriots which have 4 or even 6 different attack lanes, we are limited in how many theatres we can fight in a time. In part, due to the Bear/Wolf ceasefire. Not only that, but we also never really get any good clan defense options, as for the most part each clan is more than capable of holding their own borders.

So, I would like to start a dialogue between Wolf and Bear on how such an arrangement could come about in peaceful terms.

One of the ideas we had here over at [-MS-] I will outline below:
Day 1, CGB takes a wolf planet.
Day 2 CGB takes the next wolf planet, Wolf takes back the planet from Day 1.
Day 3, CGB takes the next planet, Wolf takes back the planet from Day 2
Day 4 ...
Day 5 CGB pushes into Falcon Territory. Wolf takes the last CGB planet behind them.

Pros:
- Avoid a conflict with Mercstar and possibly all of Ghost Bear
- Gain political favour for being willing to work with us. Could be useful in the future
- It gives the Bears another release valve (target) to send their warriors at. When Mercstar and her allies are unified on the Bear front, we pretty much just take every planet available to us. It's kinda hard not to attack Wolf just for something to do when our other 2 front lines are both 11-0 in our favour (the only thing stopping us is the Wolf/Bear ceasefire, which we helped broker).
- We would be making a record for one of the biggest planet swaps in CW history.
- Give an extra attack lane for the pesky Green Turkey pugs to attack, rather than having them continue to attack Wolf even though a ceasefire was agreed to between the major parties.
- If Wolf ever got into another war with the Falcons, Bear would be ready and able to assist their Wolf friends.
- If Wolf and Bear ever went to war in the future, Bear would have an extra attack/defense lane to worry about, weakening their general position.
- It will give Clan Ghost Bear another target other than simply pounding away at the FRR for lack of better targets, which can only help Wolf in its race to reach Terra first.
- Wolf units cleaning up planets as we go would get to put their name up on planets that would otherwise remain unclaimed by any of the major Clan Wolf factions. Examples include Paulus Prime, Drask's Den, Crellacor, Sigurd, Oberon VI, Placida, and Blackstone.
- More Salmon for nearly everyone.

Cons:
- Would avoid a possible conflict with Mercstar and possibly the rest of Clan Ghost Bear (I guess some people may want that).
- Splits the attention of the Clans over all, but only to a small degree. We know which two are mommy and daddy out of the 4 clan family. Wolf and Bear are destined for greatness, together in our quest for Terra.
- Would take minor amounts of effort to actually take the planets for both sides. But at least for Wolf, the value of getting unit names on otherwise unclaimable planets totally off sets that.
- Less Salmon for the Green Turkeys

I guess lastly, can you think of any good reasons not to let the Bears at those {Godwin's Law} loving, oddly coloured turkeys?

Hope all of this doesn't sound too crazy, but I figured I would outline Mercstar's desires/intentions before our contract shifts and we come back to Clan space on Thursday. Wouldn't want to touch off World Clan War III accidentally

Hope to hear from some of the Clan Wolf Leadership soon, with heartfelt dreams of continuing our partnership in the quest for glory and salmon.

Antonius Rex,
of the Swords of Kentares,
and the Mercstar Alliance.

Almost forgot to add the official Mercstar sign off for diplomatic communiques.



From Elissa to Crossing to Taga, the sun never sets on the Mercstar Alliance.

I would be willing to entertain discussion about said matter...though details would need to be hammered out...

[gcmdr chris]

+1 to the idea, just allow us in the end to take elissa, as you guys stay on one of ours, possibly 2 plantets. 1-1 is fair quiaff?

[Kuritaclan]

Repasy, on 22 December 2014 - 02:04 PM, said:

Day 1, CGB takes a wolf planet.
Day 2 CGB takes the next wolf planet, Wolf takes back the planet from Day 1.
Day 3, CGB takes the next planet, Wolf takes back the planet from Day 2.
Day 4 CGB takes next planet (now has a border with Jade Falcon), Wolf takes back planet from Day 3.
Day 5 Wolf takes a Ghost Bear planet of choice (other than one lost on Day 4).

Problem of the above presented way is, when Planet one is done and Planet 2 is done, Planet one can't be attacked anymore, you only have the right to attack planet 2. This the current state of cw. I guess you will built up a corridor - the idea is good, but with current implementation you can't attack backline planets to get them back. You only can attack a special plantet mostly the one which got last into enemy hands. So to speak nopp.

I'm not against cooridors i would like to eat Kuris alive . But Yeah there is no way to do so to have it in the current state of cw implementation.

Edited by Kuritaclan, 22 December 2014 - 10:23 PM.

[lpmagic]

No one hear can speak for all of wolf. This would need to be talked about by the leaders of the respective units, and agreed to in principal by all. We have already seen how fractious behavior can happen when a group does not have all of its members on the same page, at least to a degree. CWM is a very good example, they went off the deep end. It would be wonderful if another butt hurt war could be avoided.

remember though, corridors are tough, you rely 100% on your friends to not attack you from all sides, and to be honest, the real impetus was for the MS and lords to hook up, MS is gone from GB, so I'm not totally sure they want a corridor, unless it's to terra.

[Antonius Rex]

Repasy, on 22 December 2014 - 02:04 PM, said:

I have an ammendment. Seeing as this plan would effectively cause Jade Falcon to lose a territory and Ghost Bear to gain one, I believe a more diplomatic solution may be the following:

Day 1, CGB takes a wolf planet.
Day 2 CGB takes the next wolf planet, Wolf takes back the planet from Day 1.
Day 3, CGB takes the next planet, Wolf takes back the planet from Day 2.
Day 4 CGB takes next planet (now has a border with Jade Falcon), Wolf takes back planet from Day 3.
Day 5 Wolf takes a Ghost Bear planet of choice (other than one lost on Day 4).

I should think that would work fine. Appreciate the feedback
I like that idea as GB can give you guys Elissa, in exchange for whatever planet ends up being our staging post into Turkey territory. It would probably end up making things a little easier on both sides, especially GB.

@ Ipmagic

Mercstar is taking another contract with Ghost Bear this Thursday. Whenever we are fighting for the clans, we will be fighting for Ghost Bear. When we fight for the Sphere, we are much more flexible as to who we will fight for. In fact, we are open to any serious contract offers from the Inner Sphere powers.

The whole idea stems from Mercstar's desire to both open up another attack/defense corridor for all of Ghost Bear, as well as be able to go up against some of the stronger competitive outfits within a reasonable distance of GB territory.

At the end of the day, only having 2 attack lanes for Ghost Bear is insufficient (3 base minus 1 due to Wolf/Bear Ceasefire = 2). We find ourselves with nothing to do as our current lanes into FRR and Kurita space all end up 11-0 in our favour. At least whenever Mercstar's might is there. Mercstar's imminent return coupled with us gaining a few new allies to bolster our war fronts has left us with a strange conundrum. Too many Bears, not enough Salmon.

So, we need another attack/defense lane, wherever we can get it. We would prefer not to have to find it within the territory of our Wolf brothers. We have reports of the tastiest Salmon being in Turkey territory, so we figure that is as good a place as any to start looking. Unfortunately, if we cannot find a peaceful way to get there, the only alternative could be looting wolf camp grounds. And I don't think you guys really want that.

[TKSax]

Rex,

Not to be a party pooper and of course I am not part of the CGBI leadership, but I have no desire to attack the Falcons I would rather see what happens if we can push to Terra.

But that is just one warriors opinion.

[Naglinator]

Frankly i like it when we attack each other. The freebirths give such little challenge. Always nice to sharpen teeth against falcons and bears.

[CyclonerM]

Naglinator, on 23 December 2014 - 11:20 AM, said:

Frankly i like it when we attack each other. The freebirths give such little challenge. Always nice to sharpen teeth against falcons and bears.

Strange, i thought Crusader like you would be more eager to free the Inner Sphere..

[Naglinator]

Only under the Wolf banner my friend. I'm not a share bear

[Kalendra RA]

Antonius Rex, on 23 December 2014 - 01:39 AM, said:

[complex plan truncated for readability]

That wouldn't work. You take one planet, they take one planet, and then the next cycle your available attack target is the one they just took. You'd just waffle back and forth at the border, getting nowhere.

If you want to reach Jade Falcon, the only course is to subjugate Wolf, which would present little more difficulty than would be required to take worlds in your plan anyways. Wolf has about as much resistance as wet tissue paper: they can't even take FRR planets with all the FRR's attention focused on Ghost Bear most of the time, despite having no other fronts to worry about.

If Jade Falcon pushes on their end too, you'll meet up in half the time. Get QQ and CI's cooperation, and Wolf will be reduced to nothing inside a week.

Edited by SirPseudonymous, 23 December 2014 - 03:02 PM.

[Aresye]

SirPseudonymous, on 23 December 2014 - 03:01 PM, said:

That wouldn't work. You take one planet, they take one planet, and then the next cycle your available attack target is the one they just took. You'd just waffle back and forth at the border, getting nowhere.

If you want to reach Jade Falcon, the only course is to subjugate Wolf, which would present little more difficulty than would be required to take worlds in your plan anyways. Wolf has about as much resistance as wet tissue paper: they can't even take FRR planets with all the FRR's attention focused on Ghost Bear most of the time, despite having no other fronts to worry about.

If Jade Falcon pushes on their end too, you'll meet up in half the time. Get QQ and CI's cooperation, and Wolf will be reduced to nothing inside a week.

Some mighty strong fighting words coming from someone who's faction can barely take a planet without the help of MercStar.

[Kalendra RA]

Aresye, on 23 December 2014 - 03:18 PM, said:

Some mighty strong fighting words coming from someone who's faction can barely take a planet without the help of MercStar.

We've consistently taken two worlds per cycle, with only a few exceptions. Wolf only occasionally manages a single planet, while fighting on a single front.

[Odins Fist]

It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic to watch one Clan that was fighting on one front, ATTEMPT to bash on a Clan that was for the same period of time fighting on 4 fronts, 4 different aggressors.

Now they have opened up a front against an enemy that has Davion up their back door and they think they are leet.

"F"ing Precious..!!

[Kalendra RA]

Odins Fist, on 23 December 2014 - 04:00 PM, said:

It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic to watch one Clan that was fighting on one front, ATTEMPT to bash on a Clan that was for the same period of time fighting on 4 fronts, 4 different aggressors.

That describes neither of the clans involved. Wolf has a ceasefire with every neighboring faction but the FRR, and Ghost Bear has two fronts open. Wolf actually fought Jade Falcon for all of one cycle, and appears to have had a ceasefire, either formal or de facto, with Steiner from the very beginning. Ghost Bear has also been steamrolling Kurita from the very first cycle that front opened up, and Kurita has had no problem stalling out the entirety of CSJ until Mercstar jumped to Davion.

[Odins Fist]

Before OUR 7 day contract was up for a couple of days Clan Wolf was fighting against Steiner, Rasalhague, Clan Ghost Bear and Clan Jade Falcon.. At this point Clan Ghost Bear had (1), that's ONE I.S. front and Clan Smoke Jaguar on their Flank fighting for their lives against the FRR.

How do I know..?? I fought on ALL 4 Fronts..

Perhaps you forgot about the Day(s) that Jade Falcon was taking Butte Hold, a large element of Rogue and NOT rogue Ghost Bears taking a Wolf planet on the other flank.. All the while Wolf Fighting on both Steiner and FRR worlds.

That kinda slip your memory..???

SirPseudonymous, on 23 December 2014 - 04:27 PM, said:

That describes neither of the clans involved. Wolf has a ceasefire ....with Steiner from the very beginning.

Ghost Bear has also been steamrolling Kurita from the very first cycle that front opened up, and Kurita has had no problem stalling out the entirety of CSJ until Mercstar jumped to Davion.

Did you say WOLF had a ceasefire with Steiner from the very begining..??
That's weird "I" helped taking Steiner holdings.. Hmmmmm..
Didn't hear about the Steiner ceasefire with WOlf, NOT ONCE.

Yep with Davion up Kurita's rear you must have a real tough time with Kurita.

Edited by Odins Fist, 23 December 2014 - 05:02 PM.

[Jaroth Corbett]

I am curious myself. To whom are you referring Odin's Fist?

[Odins Fist]

Jaroth Corbett, on 23 December 2014 - 04:49 PM, said:

I am curious myself. To whom are you referring Odin's Fist?

To Whom are you refering when you ask whom..???

[IraqiWalker]

Odins Fist, on 23 December 2014 - 04:47 PM, said:

Before OUR 7 day contract was up for a couple of days Clan Wolf was fighting against Steiner, Rasalhague, Clan Ghost Bear and Clan Jade Falcon.. At this point Clan Ghost Bear had (1), that's ONE I.S. front and Clan Smoke Jaguar on their Flank fighting for their lives against the FRR.

How do I know..?? I fought on ALL 4 Fronts..

Perhaps you forgot about the Day(s) that Jade Falcon was taking Butte Hold, a large element of Rogue and NOT rogue Ghost Bears taking a Wolf planet on the other flank.. All the while Wolf Fighting on both Steiner and FRR worlds.

That kinda slip your memory..???



Did you say WOLF had a ceasefire with Steiner from the very begining..??
That's weird "I" helped taking Steiner holdings.. Hmmmmm..
Didn't hear about the Steiner ceasefire with WOlf, NOT ONCE.

Yep with Davion up Kurita's rear you must have a real tough time with Kurita.

The Lyran/Wolf ceasefire was enacted a couple of days ago.

Jaroth Corbett, on 23 December 2014 - 04:49 PM, said:

I am curious myself. To whom are you referring Odin's Fist?

SirPseudonymous, on 23 December 2014 - 04:27 PM, said:

That describes neither of the clans involved. Wolf has a ceasefire with every neighboring faction but the FRR, and Ghost Bear has two fronts open. Wolf actually fought Jade Falcon for all of one cycle, and appears to have had a ceasefire, either formal or de facto, with Steiner from the very beginning. Ghost Bear has also been steamrolling Kurita from the very first cycle that front opened up, and Kurita has had no problem stalling out the entirety of CSJ until Mercstar jumped to Davion.

[Odins Fist]

IraqiWalker, on 23 December 2014 - 05:05 PM, said:

The Lyran/Wolf ceasefire was enacted a couple of days ago.

Contract ended before that.