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[Gyrok]

Noesis, on 30 December 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:

I'm in no worse situation with Clan Wolf as a result. You guys have already been extremely prejudicial to the Dark Born anyhow, this even prior to CW. There were/are no bridges to burn as a result, so not worse off as a result. You are trying to sell me something I already have.

We are not affiliated with CGB we are only working under contract in the CGB corridor as it presents the best opportunities to capatalise on. We are not allied with them since the Dark Born have no political affiliations we are neutral and only responsible to oursleves or any buisness employer. CGB have done nothing in realistic terms of helping or working with the Dark Born, so it is pointless trying to direct the finger of blame where again nothing exists.

We are not pets of the Clans we work for whomever wants to employ our services or where we see opportunity. This includes the full spectrum of psychological warfare and propoganda. This has also been fully advertised with our operational services brochure for some time. So I'm pleased you see it as being effective. However you shouldn't ally us with CGB as a result just because there is a CGB image above my name. The Dark Born is a neutral organisation that works independantly of the council or any political influence. And we already have appropriate alliances befitting purposes more suited to our needs.

None of this diminishes the fact that all Clan Wolf units have the "choice" to be a pet of Steiner. This is a personal choice you are making, I have done nothing but comment on events as I have seen them.

I'm pleased the comments are being noticed as this will of course help to raise the profile of the kinds of services the Dark Born can perform. And in terms of quality I think your above statement acts as a good indicator to the apparent effect of them.

And all in the search of Truth.

P.S. Thanks also for all the lovely intel it provides as part of the process also, that is just a bonus.

Dark Born operational services brochure can be found here: http://1drv.ms/1uYnkAz

Always happy to discuss business but may be booked up for a bit with current interests for the more immediate future.

Actually...considering the fact that you were from the Nova Cats once upon a time...while CWDG did not actively seek you out...we harbored no prejudices against your unit. However, because you generalized and made assumptions...you overlooked what could have been an ally by lumping us in with whatever unit it was that slighted you in the past.

Continue burning more potential bridges...there may be others out there who thought nothing positive or negative of you...until your posts in this forum.

Remember...for every injured post you put forth, or trolling effort you put out there, units are watching you. No matter how large or how small your unit is. You do not want negative attention. People who dislike something are ten fold more likely to tell others than people who are completely satisfied. Remember that...

As for my reaction...well, as you overlooked it before...

Gyrok, on 30 December 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:

Wisdom would dictate you assess the situation before your next response...

Not threatening, and not demanding, offering a wake up call. I think you will find MS is more temporary than they originally considered in the grander scheme of things, and when that goes by the way side....where will you be standing? With many allies? With many enemies?

Food for thought...

Perhaps tone is poorly conveyed via text on a forum, however...that was as straight faced and happenstance as I can be about this discussion. Entirely civil, yet all the while reminding you of the mess you are potentially making for yourself.

Take it not as a reaction of emotion, as it is clearly not worded to be so. Only offering my perspective on the damage that has already been done for you by association. You need no additional help in damaging your reputation, clearly...just remember, it was a potential ally who pointed this out to you...not one of your current compatriots.

[Kyle Wright]

Noesis, on 30 December 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:

I'm in no worse situation with Clan Wolf as a result. You guys have already been extremely prejudicial to the Dark Born anyhow, this even prior to CW. There were/are no bridges to burn as a result, so not worse off as a result. You are trying to sell me something I already have.

We are not affiliated with CGB we are only working under contract in the CGB corridor as it presents the best opportunities to capatalise on. We are not allied with them since the Dark Born have no political affiliations we are neutral and only responsible to oursleves or any buisness employer. CGB have done nothing in realistic terms of helping or working with the Dark Born, so it is pointless trying to direct the finger of blame where again nothing exists.

We are not pets of the Clans we work for whomever wants to employ our services or where we see opportunity. This includes the full spectrum of psychological warfare and propoganda. This has also been fully advertised with our operational services brochure for some time. So I'm pleased you see it as being effective. However you shouldn't ally us with CGB as a result just because there is a CGB image above my name. The Dark Born is a neutral organisation that works independantly of the council or any political influence. And we already have appropriate alliances befitting purposes more suited to our needs.

None of this diminishes the fact that all Clan Wolf units have the "choice" to be a pet of Steiner. This is a personal choice you are making, I have done nothing but comment on events as I have seen them.

I'm pleased the comments are being noticed as this will of course help to raise the profile of the kinds of services the Dark Born can perform. And in terms of quality I think your above statement acts as a good indicator to the apparent effect of them.

And all in the search of Truth.

P.S. Thanks also for all the lovely intel it provides as part of the process also, that is just a bonus.

Dark Born operational services brochure can be found here: http://1drv.ms/1uYnkAz

Always happy to discuss business but may be booked up for a bit with current interests for the more immediate future.

CGB was doing just fine till all you turncoat IS Merc Units came up here and started causing problems. Ive been in far to many drops lately where some piss ant of a no name unit starts boasting about how bada** they are and have contributed to CGB's success. Yet, when I look around either no one has heard of them nor do they have their name on a planet.


Well if you are a Merc and only out here in CGB territory for yourself and causing issues... then

Edited by Kyle Wright, 30 December 2014 - 04:06 PM.

[Noesis]

Gyrok, I knew what I was getting into when I started the Dark Born, that decision and choice has been made long ago, and I can live with it. Business is buisness, we have an obligation to our employer(s).

Needless to say the choices you make having ramifications is old news to me, and not being able to please everyone by that process is not the way of the Dark Born. The candour we show should demonstrate we are not sychophants and I can live by the choices we make.

We are ghosts in the machine, hacking the air waves and influencing by clandestine choice what might provide the opportunities and those willing to work for mutual gain.

Question is are you happy with the choices you are making in terms of getting into bed with Steiner?

This also has nothing to do with relations with CNC, but interesting you see them as allies. Whilst I was with them they were very proud of how they played CW Alpha against CW Delta and where claiming involvement in helping your break up and helping to cause division for their own interests. Suprised you are completely unaware to their "under the table" dealings and their "espionage" associated here with how they "played you".

CW members have been very open with their comments about how they disrespect what the Dark Born stand for and have made many posts of flippant and derogatory nature about our group irrespective of associations you feel might have been instrumental to poor relations. I have received very little positive statements or gestures of co-operation coming from Wolf at all as a result. The Dark Born however still open for business.

All I learnt from my time at CNC Alpha about Clan Wolf was just how fractured and unable to get along you are. Those old wounds of misstrust and lack of cohesion within Clan Wolf then still apparent today and effecting your capabilties and impact as a result it seems based on recent commentary.

However moving forwards and as a gesture of at least offering you buisness opportunities with the Dark Born it sounds like you need a better intelligence service as a result of the gaps in your understanding of your associations. This is also a potential service the Dark Born could offer you as the Weaver of the Dark Born has been trained as a military intelligence analyst and as a consultancy service we could help to train up your members on how to use intelligence efforts well. Again please see the above brochure for contact details.

Edited by Noesis, 30 December 2014 - 04:12 PM.

[Manny Rhyde]

dont forget to tell the people at home that if you order now, you get a pirate hat and a minture sailboat

[LastKhan]

Wolves, Gustrell is in need of defense. Might be just mercs and pugs so letting you guys know.

[Red Legs Greaves]

Kyle Wright, on 30 December 2014 - 04:05 PM, said:

CGB was doing just fine till all you turncoat IS Merc Units came up here and started causing problems. Ive been in far to many drops lately where some piss ant of a no name unit starts boasting about how bada** they are and have contributed to CGB's success. Yet, when I look around either no one has heard of them nor do they have their name on a planet.


Well if you are a Merc and only out here in CGB territory for yourself and causing issues... then

Because of attitudes like this my "Clan" unit is currently fighting for IS and looking to find a big four clan that actually respects fellow clans that aren't one of the big four. If all us Merc Clans (Dark Born, Burrock, Horse, Cats, Shark, and Adder) had the option to fight for ourselves and not fight for a faction that doesn't appreciate us we would.

[Noesis]

Kyle Wright, on 30 December 2014 - 04:05 PM, said:

Well if you are a Merc and only out here in CGB territory for yourself and causing issues... then

One example but minutes ago on Radlje:

[Kyle Wright]

Noesis, on 30 December 2014 - 04:16 PM, said:

One example but minutes ago on Radlje:

You want a cookie for stomping some PUGS?

[Gyrok]

Noesis, on 30 December 2014 - 04:09 PM, said:

Gyrok, I knew what I was getting into when I started the Dark Born, that decision and choice has been made long ago, and I can live with it. Business is buisness, we have an obligation to our employer(s).

Needless to say the choices you make having ramifications is old news to me, and not being able to please everyone by that process is not the way of the Dark Born. The candour we show should demonstrate we are not sychophants and I can live by the choices we make.

We are ghosts in the machine, hacking the air waves and influencing by clandestine choice what might provide the opportunities and those willing to work for mutual gain.

Question is are you happy with the choices you are making in terms of getting into bed with Steiner?

This also has nothing to do with relations with CNC, but interesting you see them as allies. Whilst I was with them they were very proud of how they played CW Alpha against CW Delta and where claiming involvement in helping your break up and helping to cause division for their own interests. Suprised you are completely unaware to their "under the table" dealings and their "espionage" associated here with how they "played you".

CW members have been very open with their comments about how they disrespect what the Dark Born stand for and have made many posts of flippant and derogatory nature about our group irrespective of associations you feel might have been instrumental to poor relations. I have received very little positive statements or gestures of co-operation coming from Wolf at all as a result. The Dark Born however still open for business.

All I learnt from my time at CNC Alpha about Clan Wolf was just how fractured and unable to get along you are. Those old wounds of misstrust and lack of cohesion within Clan Wolf then still apparent today and effecting your capabilties and impact as a result it seems based on recent commentary.

However moving forwards and as a gesture of at least offering you buisness opportunities with the Dark Born it sounds like you need a better intelligence service as a result of the gaps in your understanding of your associations. This is also a potential service the Dark Born could offer you as the Weaver of the Dark Born has been trained as a military intelligence analyst and as a consultancy service we could help to train up your members on how to use intelligence efforts well. Again please see the above brochure for contact details.

Considering Akula and one of my Star Colonels happen to live close enough to have beers...I am not so certain you know the absolute truth.

However, I would like to encourage you to our diplomacy academy any time you would like. If you truly believe Clan Wolf to be fractured, you are sadly mistaken...the only group honestly harboring any illness over the spilled milk was never us to begin with...

[Kain Demos]

Kyle Wright, on 30 December 2014 - 04:25 PM, said:

You want a cookie for stomping some PUGS?

Not only that there is a CGBI 10-man there. He is the only guy from his unit.

Edited by Kain Thul, 30 December 2014 - 04:29 PM.

[LastKhan]

Kyle Wright, on 30 December 2014 - 04:25 PM, said:

You want a cookie for stomping some PUGS?

All i saw was CGBI carrying

[Kyle Wright]

Red Legs Greaves, on 30 December 2014 - 04:15 PM, said:

Because of attitudes like this my "Clan" unit is currently fighting for IS and looking to find a big four clan that actually respects fellow clans that aren't one of the big four. If all us Merc Clans (Dark Born, Burrock, Horse, Cats, Shark, and Adder) had the option to fight for ourselves and not fight for a faction that doesn't appreciate us we would.

You must not be able to read between the lines. IF YOU ARE ANY GROUP THAT CAUSE ISSUES FOR THE MAJORITY THEN YOU SHOULD GO ELSE WHERE. I dont care what clan you represent, but if you are doing **** like smash talking on the forums to another clan on your factions behalf, or ignoring a cease fire that was working for several weeks then i dont care what your excuse is. The way you get appreciation in a respective clan is not acting like a bunch of entitled dill weeds, that think they are the best thing since the timberwolf. Instead act respectful and actually go talk to the units that are permanently aligned to a faction and find out what they already have set up and work with them to continue their goals.

Over this past 2 weeks ive seen several no name ( and by no name i mean, no one has ever heard of you in any competitive circle) teams coem into CGB, they see a CW planet undefended and start attacking. Just to have one of the teams that have been here from the start hunt down there TS server and tell them to cut their sh*t, because there has been a cease fire for several weeks that they didnt know about. All because they ASSUMED they could do what ever they want. Dont upset the heard and the heard will treat you right. Piss them off and they will run your butt over.

Kain Thul, on 30 December 2014 - 04:28 PM, said:

Not only that there is a CGBI 10-man there. He is the only guy from his unit.

Big deal, ive stayed up late at night actually bouncing back and forth with leaders of CGBI coordinating attacks when it was CGBI and STS on their own for a short period. And you know what in that time period we were what? taking 2 planets a day practically. So please...

Edited by Kyle Wright, 30 December 2014 - 04:34 PM.

[wobbles3285]

Talk talk talk and more talk. End of the day GB once again started some BS for no good reason for the second time in a week. Not forgiving and not forgetting. The bosses want to play nice? Fine. But on a personal level they can go take a flying leap at this point. Their word doesn't mean a thing and they keep showing it. See you next week when you go on another schizophrenic little rampage and start another fight no doubt...oh wait, you guys are still doing the same thing you were last night even as I type this. "But it's PGI's fault, Russ won't let us do what we want so we HAVE to attack you" Pathetic D-bags..

Edited by wobbles3285, 30 December 2014 - 04:46 PM.

[sandworm16]

wobbles3285, on 30 December 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

Talk talk talk and more talk. End of the day GB once again started some BS for no good reason.

GB != MS + CI

[Kyle Wright]

wobbles3285, on 30 December 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

Talk talk talk and more talk. End of the day GB once again started some BS for no good reason.

Totally agree, and for those that didnt read Mercstar has made enough enemy that QQ, House of Lords, SJR, and possibly 228th and the Emperors are conspiring against them.

[Noesis]

Propoganda is a part of warfare, learn to live with it. I'am at least keeping it civil with the p&q's so I'm not breaking any forum rules as a result of enjoying a more fully experience of the MWO experience. So there is no reason to not allow players of other interests associated with groups play this game as they see fit. I would ask you not to prescribe to others how they should play MWO.

Also if you think the Dark Born are not considerate of the bigger picture then you might be slightly niave to consider that everything happens over the table for all to see.

Check the details for the Dark Born both on our mission statement and our advertising. You will see that although RPing as elements of the Bandit Caste we make a distinction to be mature in not offedning the actual player and that the efforts we use are associated with the Game fiction itself. If you consider this not to be the case with any material the Dark Born present then I would be interested if you would contact me with those details. The Dark Born as Clan Dark Caste do recognise the limitations with playing the more nefarious characters from Battletech but are mature enough to try and ensure that the lines into RL do not become blurred or that players are not being personally offended outside the context of the game fiction.

MWO has more to offer with those players who perhaps want to immerse themselve a little more with it. But I wont impose that others have to be involved, only that you allow those opportunities to be apparent for those that choose to do so.

hf.

[Red Legs Greaves]

Kyle Wright, on 30 December 2014 - 04:33 PM, said:

You must not be able to read between the lines. IF YOU ARE ANY GROUP THAT CAUSE ISSUES FOR THE MAJORITY THEN YOU SHOULD GO ELSE WHERE. I dont care what clan you represent, but if you are doing **** like smash talking on the forums to another clan on your factions behalf, or ignoring a cease fire that was working for several weeks then i dont care what your excuse is. The way you get appreciation in a respective clan is not acting like a bunch of entitled dill weeds, that think they are the best thing since the timberwolf. Instead act respectful and actually go talk to the units that are permanently aligned to a faction and find out what they already have set up and work with them to continue their goals.

Over this past 2 weeks ive seen several no name ( and by no name i mean, no one has ever heard of you in any competitive circle) teams coem into CGB, they see a CW planet undefended and start attacking. Just to have one of the teams that have been here from the start hunt down there TS server and tell them to cut their sh*t, because there has been a cease fire for several weeks that they didnt know about. All because they ASSUMED they could do what ever they want. Dont upset the heard and the heard will treat you right. Piss them off and they will run your butt over.



Big deal, ive stayed up late at night actually bouncing back and forth with leaders of CGBI coordinating attacks when it was CGBI and STS on their own for a short period. And you know what in that time period we were what? taking 2 planets a day practically. So please...

How do you plan to enforce your little ceasefires? I am just wondering because you are spewing empty threats if you saying you are going to punish them somehow. One thing I really don't like is being told what to and I am sure a lot of people would agree with me on this. To tell me I can't do something because you said so isn't going to get me on board, especially if you come over to my TS and start taking **** and making demands.

[Noesis]

Kyle Wright, on 30 December 2014 - 04:25 PM, said:

You want a cookie for stomping some PUGS?

Yes please. Though I prefer Dark Born pig nuts.

It isnt the best performance of the Dark Born for sure, but simply helps to demonstrate a "positive" input into the CGB war effort.

[Errodien]

Kyle Wright, on 30 December 2014 - 04:33 PM, said:

Big deal, ive stayed up late at night actually bouncing back and forth with leaders of CGBI coordinating attacks when it was CGBI and STS on their own for a short period. And you know what in that time period we were what? taking 2 planets a day practically. So please...

[Kyle Wright]

Red Legs Greaves, on 30 December 2014 - 04:47 PM, said:

How do you plan to enforce your little ceasefires? I am just wondering because you are spewing empty threats if you saying you are going to punish them somehow. One thing I really don't like is being told what to and I am sure a lot of people would agree with me on this. To tell me I can't do something because you said so isn't going to get me on board, especially if you come over to my TS and start taking **** and making demands.

Its simple really... put it into terms STS is mainly a EU unit, they are also leaders in the EU Alliance currently. Last time some dummy thought it would be cute to go pick on a wolf, he was told plain and simple you are on your own. And by on your own you would get no help from any EU team nor any of the NA teams that associated with the EU Alliance. So more or less you will go it alone and we will let the wolves beat you so bad that youll never gain territory, better yet we would encourage them to send every 12-man they could to lock you up. Alliances work off of respect, something you obviously lack. So please tell me are you bada** enough to fight SJR or HOL?